I remember the first time I heard someone reference the "Red Pill". I was embarrassed for them.
To willfully admit that your ideology is as shallow as a late 90s blockbuster seemed as though it had to be a joke, but no. The cultural illiterates have taken over and this was simply the lowest common denominator. Something with which all the lost souls dealing with their inadequacies in an uncaring world could identify.
I cherish the days before I knew such depths of human idiocy existed, the days when I associated intelligent thoughtful figures like Eliot, Yeats or Goethe with conservatism only to now have them replaced with Yiannopoulos, Spencer and Jones, true intellectual midgets.
I yearn for the time when debates were Buckley vs Chomsky and not Sanders vs Cruz.
I do not understand this parallel timeline and I want it to end, in nuclear twilight if it must.
Camden Reed
>The cultural illiterates have taken over and this was simply the lowest common denominator. Something with which all the lost souls dealing with their inadequacies in an uncaring world could identify.
>I cherish the days before I knew such depths of human idiocy existed, the days when I associated intelligent thoughtful figures like Eliot, Yeats or Goethe with conservatism only to now have them replaced with Yiannopoulos, Spencer and Jones, true intellectual midgets.
Isaiah Roberts
If you think Yiannopoulos, Spencer and Jones are intelligent reasoned people, you need to reevaluate your life choices.
Isaac Foster
Your taste in art is alt-right.
Tyler James
Not an argument
Christopher Walker
No, my taste in art is modernist. A readaptation of classical and neo-classical themes to more accurately reflect modern life and its problems.
Prometheus is the modern man, punished for bringing truth and light to man.
Only when you have no real cultural context do you become blind enough to throw around symbols in the way the alt-right does.
Carson Davis
>pop-culture and populist sophists are influencing the masses more than 19th century cultural elitists that wrote for aristocrats
No shit, asshole.
Jonathan Perez
As if greentext fedoraposting is something that needs to be refuted by argument. If you want an argument, maybe you should make one to begin with.
Nolan King
Conservatism is the ideology of aristocrats. This populist bent is heretical.
Landon Campbell
jesus christ you're dense af. i just watched some videos of milo of 6-10 minutes on youtube and i agree on his considerations about islam and today's democrtatic party. i don't think he's a fucking philosopher
Jaxon Murphy
quads confirm
/pol/ get fucked
Alexander Martin
> i don't think he's a fucking philosopher Good. He isn't. Yet you've let him, and a bunch of other idiots take this ideology and spin it down a rabbit's hole of conspiracy theories and nonsense.
You've lost all sight of reality. It's extremely disappointing.
Grayson Murphy
Today only the radical left offers intellectually engaging discourse, since they've been banished to the university.
Owen Sanders
>radical >intellectually engaging
Blake Sanders
Calm down Evola, the average joe doesn't give a fuck what fucking Goethe might have said 300 years ago. They want contemporary populists who "say it like it is" in a simple way they understand. This isn't even a new phenomenon but one that started with suffrage. If you want a higher level of public dialogue, fine, but don't expect people to start reading Plato's Republic before the next election.
Caleb Bell
we run these streets now nigga
Nathaniel Nguyen
>the average joe Conservatism is the ideology of aristocrats.
If you want to form an ideology based on mob anger and populism, that's your prerogative but that isn't conservatism.
Jose Jones
You don't run anything. You post frogs on the internet.
Trump is a distraction that will allow the republican congress to do anything it wants while everyone looks at the monkey throwing its feces.
Ian Clark
Cringe
Luis Barnes
>Conservatism is the ideology of aristocrats.
Not in America.
Easton Hill
Then it's not conservatism. It's populism.
You fundamentally do not understand conservatism if you think it can become a populist position and eschew elites.
Leo Hernandez
Nigger can you actually put forward what you dislike about the alt right? You're entire post is just muh rhetoric, you haven't said a single goddamn thing. Cut down on the fucking purple prose
Brandon Bennett
Nigger stop making unsubstantiated assertions followed by 'lol if you believe this I can't even.'
Do you not see the irony of starting a thread that bitches about low quality discourse, and following up with this sorry excuse for debate?
John Russell
>Yes, I'm an aristocrat
Connor Nelson
Maybe you should read the thread before posting.
Jason Sanchez
>he's not a philosopher Exactly. He's not a scholar and therefore he shouldn't be taken seriously when discussing something as sensitive and wide ranging as politics. For example, some time ago I watched a video by Sargon of akkad comparing the "deadly sins" of Islam and Christianity. I then shared it with a friend of mine who is now going for PhD in Islamic studies. he later told me that it was the cringiest Islam related video he had ever seen on YouTube . It was utterly fallacious and based at extremely superficial observations. Sargon, molyneaux, Kraut and Tea and PJU are second rate philosophers. The bottom of the intellectual barrel. You want to understand the world around you? Read a book. You want to get indoctrinated? Watch an Armored Skeptic video. End of discussion.
Evan Flores
American Conservatism has and will always be "populist" because their entire history is built on giving the finger to the monarchy and the aristocracy you dense fucking cunt.
Adam Howard
>PJU shit I meant PJW, Paul Joseph Watson
Jaxon Myers
Let me summarize the thread for you, faggot >Le redpill is dumb >le redpill is dumb and it's followers are fucking betas >I'm sad dumb people exist, why aren't modern talking heads as smart as some of the greatest thinkers in history? >Let me reiterate that I don't like this era, while also showing my elegant patrician prose, by writing 'yearn' >Armageddon is preferable to this
This is a fucking blog post, all I know is he hates the alt-right. Give me some fucking reasons other than ad-hominem and name dropping historical figures
Brayden Morales
>American Conservatism has and will always be "populist" because their entire history is built on giving the finger to the monarchy
You truly know nothing about american history. The articles of confederation failed and it was replaced by the current constitution which was written by a man that once said this about the British monarchy >I believe the British government forms the best model the world ever produced, and such has been its progress in the minds of the many, that this truth gradually gains ground. This government has for its object public strength and individual security. He also said this >All communities divide themselves into the few and the many. The first are the rich and well born, the other the mass of the people. The voice of the people has been said to be the voice of God; and however generally this maxim has been quoted and believed, it is not true in fact. The people are turbulent and changing; they seldom judge or determine right. Give therefore to the first class a distinct, permanent share in the government. They will check the unsteadiness of the second, and as they cannot receive any advantage by a change, they therefore will ever maintain good government. Can a democratic assembly, who annually revolve in the mass of the people, be supposed steadily to pursue the public good?
Both of these were said at the consitutional convention in 1787.
Luke Russell
traditional conservatism yes, but certainly not modern conservatism
Jayden Evans
Modern conservatism is a joke with no intellectual backing.
Demagogues abound.
Brandon Wood
As long as the Constitution of the United States includes "We the People" it doesn't matter what else this indecisive faggot said.
Just admit that you're a pathetic Evola-tier reactionary.
Xavier Johnson
>As long as the Constitution of the United States includes "We the People" it doesn't matter Of course not, why would it matter? As long as there's some empty phrase vague enough to support an innumerable amount of interpretations why should we care about the way the person who designed our government thought about the people?
Brayden Hill
This, unfortunately. I do get where OP is coming from in that so many "average Joes" have grown smug and self-righteous because they managed to comprehend the watered down, blunt message of said contemporary populists. The modern right, in terms of higher level or inner workings, really does quite little for the "red-pilled Average Joe", if anything. That watered down, short burst mentality they've become programmed with sets them up to find more value in short term gains, despite the long term losses or lack of perpetuity for the gains. These are the masses who will gladly accept a slightly lower monthly payment towards an owed debt regardless of the exponential interest hike. The aristocrat benefits immensely from the long term effect, and all he must do is tell the peasant that he will see immediate benefits in the present, even if only slight.
Xavier Martinez
this is why these "intellectuals" arguments are so weak. you can destroy them by greentexting them and putting a fedora
Daniel Davis
OP is kinda of a faggot but he's right. This whole surge in "right wing" sentiment is capturing people's minds and hearts. The bad thing is, this new populism driven culture can have some seriously dangerous consequence as it makes it okay (and even logical) to blame the evil other for your problems and as it provides a political environment that allows authoritarian strongmen to take over in the name of principles like patriotism or isolationism (Trump for example displays all the traits of a typical banana republic dictator). Just think about it: if the EU was to collapse (as it will), Europe will come closer to sliding back into the deadly calculations of balance of power politics. I'm not saying that the EU is the great, but I'm yet to see a YouTube philosopher who points out this harsh reality to his viewers. These YouTube clowns are not helping. Yes, people will always listen to pop star like figures over serious intellectuals, but in our current political and social climate, this toxic "nationalist" rhetoric could have some dangerous effects on future generations.
Samuel Harris
>as a late 90s blockbuster The matrix is not the best film ever made. But it may be one of the most important movies ever made.
also >ew, you used an analogy that contained the word dirt in it, dirt is dirty and gross... whatever you were trying to say with your analogy must be wrong, dirty and gross.
Aaron Carter
Wow the guy studying Islamic studies disagrees with a youtuber on Islam? Color me surprised.
Carson Davis
>he shouldn't be taken seriously when discussing something as sensitive and wide ranging as politics I suppose the same would then be said of you and all non-scholars?
Jack Jones
and double dubs proves
Christopher Ross
>But it may be one of the most important movies ever made. I can't fucking believe anyone thinks this is true.
How is The Matrix "important" in any way other than on the making of big dumb blockbuster movies?
Nathaniel Sullivan
I bet if that if t. Mister Islamic Studies even had a girlfriend he would let immigrants "culturally enrich" her.
Jose Russell
The "pills" are for dumb fucks that can't realize they are memes.
Daniel Gonzalez
If depth of an ideology signified quality communism wouldn't be so shitty.
Brayden Roberts
>cucks I mean we all know that you have to be a special kind of insecure retard to seriously use fear of being "cucked" as a reason for not wanting immigrants.
Adrian Young
Not seeing all the mentally-damaged people wasn't that great. I was always nervous but I didn't realize that ignorant people are dangerous and incompetent so it was reasonable to be worried about them. Better were the years without cellphones when I didn't always have to hear their mindless babbling. I didn't have to face being in a world mostly populated by stupid people.
Colton Gomez
>Conservatism is the ideology of aristocrats. This populist bent is heretical. The Progression of History is the progression towards all humans becoming aristocrats
Charles Ross
Classless society when?
Kayden Morales
Does conservatism depend on capitalism? On wealth?
Zachary Gray
>the alt right? the another petty meaningless divide and conquer fluffy distraction?
Christopher Sullivan
>American Conservatism has and will always be "populist" because their entire history is built on giving the finger to the monarchy and the aristocracy you dense fucking cunt. But then aprox. 300 years later a new "aristocratic"/wealthy/powerful polyarchy arose
>implying the founders and their ilk werent aristocrats
Ryder Wood
>I can't fucking believe anyone thinks this is true. >How is The Matrix "important" in any way other than on the making of big dumb blockbuster movies? t. Dittint Getit
Isaac Robinson
>>the alt right? >the another petty meaningless divide and conquer fluffy distraction? (its not entirely petty and meaningless... it is just (maybe not thaaaat) far from appropriately self-conscious and directed)
Samuel Reed
Didn't get what? The surface level Descartes references? The ham fisted Christ allusions?
This isn't some profound work of film form. It's a action movie with a mildly inventive narrative hook. It's not terrible as far as blockbuster movies go but there's nothing to get.
Kayden Flores
Fuck you, The Matrix is a great movie.
Gabriel Reed
so is die hard but you don't see the alt left talking about the benefits of a classical education
Mason Cox
>Didn't get what? dude... we are slaves to the machine... mannn, dont you want to be freed and get your zion?
Well theres also theory that the 'zion' in the film, was also a part of the computer program matrix, and the whole film takes place in the matrix, that the machines didnt understand why some humans werent satisfied with their perfect modern world, so they made this more primitive realm for the more adventurish savage in man, who wants to rebel against perfect society, to play out his fantasy, I thought that was pretty cool, dont know how legit or intended it was though
Parker Anderson
t. Blue pilled retard
Jaxon King
...
Asher Phillips
You're joking right?
Who gives a shit about this artificially constructed nonsense. Next you're going to tell me Inception is a real "brain buster".
Ian Nelson
>hey usa what u doin? >gonna dry this swamp >with more swamp? >yeah watch me u cuck
James Edwards
actually laughed out loud.
Robert Martinez
fucking lmfao tho
Jonathan Johnson
>300 years later
The Virginia Aristocracy didnt even skip a breath before they took power after the treaty of paris
Logan Morales
I don't get it.
Matthew Rivera
Honestly, if we could crack the technique for high-fidelity dream recall and dream-sharing, the practical applications of cooperative lucid dreaming are nigh endless for both fine arts and STEM fields.
Grayson Wright
molyneux pls go
Connor Scott
Intentional fallacy
Oliver Thompson
>Who gives a shit about this artificially constructed nonsense. Oh... you only read the classics. Youre favorite film is Pride and Prejudice
Liam Cook
As I was walking to St. Ives, I met a faggot who forgot about all the riddles from Die Hard
Grayson Smith
and Zombies*
ftfy
Dominic Bailey
>The Virginia Aristocracy didnt even skip a breath before they took power after the treaty of paris im not smart enough on this topic to know if you are sarcastically making fun of me. Can you further explain?
Brandon Cook
I'll explain it the best I can. I think it's actually kind of brilliant.
-Die Hard is another action movie -"benefits of a classical education" is a line the Alan Rickman character says. -liberals actually seem to value the classical education very highly and view it as a source of enlightenment -The "red pill" is seen as enlightenment by /pol/ but is simply a monniker
I don't know. It's just good wordplay and think it works on a couple levels.
Isaac Watson
In a sense, the arts are dream sharing, but yeah, I know what you mean
Noah Gutierrez
Please show some living conservative philosophers who aren't batshit crazy American fundamentalists or only known to 10 people.
Camden Gomez
Thanks, I don't really remember the first movie.
Logan Phillips
My favorite film is Sans Soleil by Chris Marker.
Thomas Price
>Inception Doesnt come any where close to the professionally found profundity of Le Matrixe
Camden Hall
Too bad aristocracy is dead lmao, fucking LARPers
Jason Bailey
Washington, Jefferson, the Lees etc etc. All were super elites. Pic related, its Jefferson's house.
Aiden Wood
>Please show some living conservative philosophers Please define conservative
Lucas Clark
>My favorite film is Sans Soleil by Chris Marker. Cool, unironically thanks. Jokes on you though, I was just pretending to be retarded. I dont think the Matrix is as worthless as you present, but I was certainly facetiously being tongue in checkish with 'most important movie'
Jaxon Sullivan
*green*You want to understand the world? Go out there and live to fullest.*green*
Eli Murphy
> as shallow as a late 90s blockbuster As movies go, The Matrix is pretty Veeky Forums.
>I yearn for the time when debates were Buckley vs Chomsky and not Sanders vs Cruz. When was this time that dumb politicians didn't debate?
Jeremiah Turner
It profoundly influenced the culture by mainstreaming easily digestible pseudo-philosophy and bringing a lot of Eastern tropes into Western art. Also represented a significant entry into the sci-fi canon and made grimdark cinematography more palatable. Without The Matrix, we wouldn't have gotten film adaptations of Sin City, Watchmen, and many other edgy comics. The Matrix is important for the same reason Duchamp's "Fountain" is important - it was a relatively original idea which opened the floodgates for a lot of similar art to get made. Even if you don't agree with the aesthetic choices, both works are incredibly influential.
Nathaniel Rivera
If only you'd used the word "alas", I would've been able to muster a hatred for you that would endure for at least an hour. Instead, I'll forget your existence as soon as I navigate away from this page, just as I'd forget a flushed turd, or a criminal negro who'd been shot dead by police.
Robert Flores
this
David Hall
Well I was hoping that was the case.
OP here, I appreciate your attempt to throw purple prose back at me.
Important isn't really the right word for what you describe. Influential probably fits better.
Harry Potter for instance isn't important but it will probably influence generations of terrible authors.
Ian Nelson
There is literally nothing wrong with socialist economics, it makes precisely zero difference that every state-capitalist government called itself such, just as it doesn't make a country democratic when it's ruled by corporate elites. Social ownership of the means of production is the future, whether by violent revolutions or not.
Carter Lopez
I was with you right up until the "nuclear twilight" emo bit, buddy.
Andrew Wilson
>As movies go, The Matrix is pretty Veeky Forums No it isn't. Bresson's films are lit. Fellini's films are lit. Dreyer's films are lit. The Matrix is not lit.
Mason Morales
"Conservatism" isnt an ideology.
Brandon Thomas
If the EU actually decided to protect Europeans from immigration and didnt have a retarded single currency, then maybe it would survive.
But the idiots at the top of it were arrigant and out of touch, so it's their own fuckinf fault. I guarantee you Brexit would've lost if Merkel hadn't invited half the third world into Europe in 2015
Levi Miller
It literally is though, the argument is implied and obvious.
Gavin Bailey
>Europeans from immigration and didnt have a retarded single currency The single currency is great. It gives a deflated value for countries like Germany and France and an inflated one for small countries. If the single currency ended almost all economies in the EU would suffer tremendously.
Easton Adams
>le economies are doing great guys¡ > 50% youth unemployment
Yeah sure m8
Christopher Stewart
unironically calling yourself red pilled is about as bad as unironically calling yourself woke
Dominic Anderson
>Eliot Are you referring to Eliot Hulse or Eliot Rodger?
Lucas Young
>if the EU actually decided to protect Europeans from immigration maybe it could survive No, even if all the third world trash miraculously disappeared Europe would still be doomed. The muslims are a symptom of the downfall, not its cause. The real and only cause is the death of culture.