I remember the first time I heard someone reference the "Red Pill". I was embarrassed for them

I remember the first time I heard someone reference the "Red Pill". I was embarrassed for them.

To willfully admit that your ideology is as shallow as a late 90s blockbuster seemed as though it had to be a joke, but no. The cultural illiterates have taken over and this was simply the lowest common denominator. Something with which all the lost souls dealing with their inadequacies in an uncaring world could identify.

I cherish the days before I knew such depths of human idiocy existed, the days when I associated intelligent thoughtful figures like Eliot, Yeats or Goethe with conservatism only to now have them replaced with Yiannopoulos, Spencer and Jones, true intellectual midgets.

I yearn for the time when debates were Buckley vs Chomsky and not Sanders vs Cruz.

I do not understand this parallel timeline and I want it to end, in nuclear twilight if it must.

>The cultural illiterates have taken over and this was simply the lowest common denominator. Something with which all the lost souls dealing with their inadequacies in an uncaring world could identify.

>I cherish the days before I knew such depths of human idiocy existed, the days when I associated intelligent thoughtful figures like Eliot, Yeats or Goethe with conservatism only to now have them replaced with Yiannopoulos, Spencer and Jones, true intellectual midgets.

If you think Yiannopoulos, Spencer and Jones are intelligent reasoned people, you need to reevaluate your life choices.

Your taste in art is alt-right.

Not an argument

No, my taste in art is modernist. A readaptation of classical and neo-classical themes to more accurately reflect modern life and its problems.

Prometheus is the modern man, punished for bringing truth and light to man.

Only when you have no real cultural context do you become blind enough to throw around symbols in the way the alt-right does.

>pop-culture and populist sophists are influencing the masses more than 19th century cultural elitists that wrote for aristocrats

No shit, asshole.

As if greentext fedoraposting is something that needs to be refuted by argument. If you want an argument, maybe you should make one to begin with.

Conservatism is the ideology of aristocrats. This populist bent is heretical.

jesus christ you're dense af. i just watched some videos of milo of 6-10 minutes on youtube and i agree on his considerations about islam and today's democrtatic party. i don't think he's a fucking philosopher

quads confirm

/pol/ get fucked

> i don't think he's a fucking philosopher
Good. He isn't. Yet you've let him, and a bunch of other idiots take this ideology and spin it down a rabbit's hole of conspiracy theories and nonsense.

You've lost all sight of reality. It's extremely disappointing.

Today only the radical left offers intellectually engaging discourse, since they've been banished to the university.

>radical
>intellectually engaging

Calm down Evola, the average joe doesn't give a fuck what fucking Goethe might have said 300 years ago. They want contemporary populists who "say it like it is" in a simple way they understand. This isn't even a new phenomenon but one that started with suffrage. If you want a higher level of public dialogue, fine, but don't expect people to start reading Plato's Republic before the next election.

we run these streets now nigga

>the average joe
Conservatism is the ideology of aristocrats.

If you want to form an ideology based on mob anger and populism, that's your prerogative but that isn't conservatism.

You don't run anything. You post frogs on the internet.

Trump is a distraction that will allow the republican congress to do anything it wants while everyone looks at the monkey throwing its feces.

Cringe

>Conservatism is the ideology of aristocrats.

Not in America.

Then it's not conservatism. It's populism.

You fundamentally do not understand conservatism if you think it can become a populist position and eschew elites.

Nigger can you actually put forward what you dislike about the alt right? You're entire post is just muh rhetoric, you haven't said a single goddamn thing. Cut down on the fucking purple prose

Nigger stop making unsubstantiated assertions followed by 'lol if you believe this I can't even.'

Do you not see the irony of starting a thread that bitches about low quality discourse, and following up with this sorry excuse for debate?

>Yes, I'm an aristocrat

Maybe you should read the thread before posting.

>he's not a philosopher
Exactly. He's not a scholar and therefore he shouldn't be taken seriously when discussing something as sensitive and wide ranging as politics.
For example, some time ago I watched a video by Sargon of akkad comparing the "deadly sins" of Islam and Christianity. I then shared it with a friend of mine who is now going for PhD in Islamic studies. he later told me that it was the cringiest Islam related video he had ever seen on YouTube . It was utterly fallacious and based at extremely superficial observations.
Sargon, molyneaux, Kraut and Tea and PJU are second rate philosophers. The bottom of the intellectual barrel. You want to understand the world around you? Read a book. You want to get indoctrinated? Watch an Armored Skeptic video. End of discussion.

American Conservatism has and will always be "populist" because their entire history is built on giving the finger to the monarchy and the aristocracy you dense fucking cunt.

>PJU
shit I meant PJW, Paul Joseph Watson

Let me summarize the thread for you, faggot
>Le redpill is dumb
>le redpill is dumb and it's followers are fucking betas
>I'm sad dumb people exist, why aren't modern talking heads as smart as some of the greatest thinkers in history?
>Let me reiterate that I don't like this era, while also showing my elegant patrician prose, by writing 'yearn'
>Armageddon is preferable to this

This is a fucking blog post, all I know is he hates the alt-right. Give me some fucking reasons other than ad-hominem and name dropping historical figures

>American Conservatism has and will always be "populist" because their entire history is built on giving the finger to the monarchy

You truly know nothing about american history. The articles of confederation failed and it was replaced by the current constitution which was written by a man that once said this about the British monarchy
>I believe the British government forms the best model the world ever produced, and such has been its progress in the minds of the many, that this truth gradually gains ground. This government has for its object public strength and individual security.
He also said this
>All communities divide themselves into the few and the many. The first are the rich and well born, the other the mass of the people. The voice of the people has been said to be the voice of God; and however generally this maxim has been quoted and believed, it is not true in fact. The people are turbulent and changing; they seldom judge or determine right. Give therefore to the first class a distinct, permanent share in the government. They will check the unsteadiness of the second, and as they cannot receive any advantage by a change, they therefore will ever maintain good government. Can a democratic assembly, who annually revolve in the mass of the people, be supposed steadily to pursue the public good?

Both of these were said at the consitutional convention in 1787.

traditional conservatism yes, but certainly not modern conservatism

Modern conservatism is a joke with no intellectual backing.

Demagogues abound.

As long as the Constitution of the United States includes "We the People" it doesn't matter what else this indecisive faggot said.

Just admit that you're a pathetic Evola-tier reactionary.

>As long as the Constitution of the United States includes "We the People" it doesn't matter
Of course not, why would it matter? As long as there's some empty phrase vague enough to support an innumerable amount of interpretations why should we care about the way the person who designed our government thought about the people?

This, unfortunately. I do get where OP is coming from in that so many "average Joes" have grown smug and self-righteous because they managed to comprehend the watered down, blunt message of said contemporary populists. The modern right, in terms of higher level or inner workings, really does quite little for the "red-pilled Average Joe", if anything. That watered down, short burst mentality they've become programmed with sets them up to find more value in short term gains, despite the long term losses or lack of perpetuity for the gains. These are the masses who will gladly accept a slightly lower monthly payment towards an owed debt regardless of the exponential interest hike. The aristocrat benefits immensely from the long term effect, and all he must do is tell the peasant that he will see immediate benefits in the present, even if only slight.

this is why these "intellectuals" arguments are so weak. you can destroy them by greentexting them and putting a fedora

OP is kinda of a faggot but he's right. This whole surge in "right wing" sentiment is capturing people's minds and hearts. The bad thing is, this new populism driven culture can have some seriously dangerous consequence as it makes it okay (and even logical) to blame the evil other for your problems and as it provides a political environment that allows authoritarian strongmen to take over in the name of principles like patriotism or isolationism (Trump for example displays all the traits of a typical banana republic dictator).
Just think about it: if the EU was to collapse (as it will), Europe will come closer to sliding back into the deadly calculations of balance of power politics. I'm not saying that the EU is the great, but I'm yet to see a YouTube philosopher who points out this harsh reality to his viewers.
These YouTube clowns are not helping. Yes, people will always listen to pop star like figures over serious intellectuals, but in our current political and social climate, this toxic "nationalist" rhetoric could have some dangerous effects on future generations.

>as a late 90s blockbuster
The matrix is not the best film ever made. But it may be one of the most important movies ever made.

also
>ew, you used an analogy that contained the word dirt in it, dirt is dirty and gross... whatever you were trying to say with your analogy must be wrong, dirty and gross.

Wow the guy studying Islamic studies disagrees with a youtuber on Islam? Color me surprised.

>he shouldn't be taken seriously when discussing something as sensitive and wide ranging as politics
I suppose the same would then be said of you and all non-scholars?

and double dubs proves

>But it may be one of the most important movies ever made.
I can't fucking believe anyone thinks this is true.

How is The Matrix "important" in any way other than on the making of big dumb blockbuster movies?

I bet if that if t. Mister Islamic Studies even had a girlfriend he would let immigrants "culturally enrich" her.

The "pills" are for dumb fucks that can't realize they are memes.

If depth of an ideology signified quality communism wouldn't be so shitty.

>cucks
I mean we all know that you have to be a special kind of insecure retard to seriously use fear of being "cucked" as a reason for not wanting immigrants.

Not seeing all the mentally-damaged people wasn't that great. I was always nervous but I didn't realize that ignorant people are dangerous and incompetent so it was reasonable to be worried about them. Better were the years without cellphones when I didn't always have to hear their mindless babbling. I didn't have to face being in a world mostly populated by stupid people.

>Conservatism is the ideology of aristocrats. This populist bent is heretical.
The Progression of History is the progression towards all humans becoming aristocrats

Classless society when?

Does conservatism depend on capitalism? On wealth?

>the alt right?
the another petty meaningless divide and conquer fluffy distraction?

>American Conservatism has and will always be "populist" because their entire history is built on giving the finger to the monarchy and the aristocracy you dense fucking cunt.
But then aprox. 300 years later a new "aristocratic"/wealthy/powerful polyarchy arose

>implying the founders and their ilk werent aristocrats

>I can't fucking believe anyone thinks this is true.
>How is The Matrix "important" in any way other than on the making of big dumb blockbuster movies?
t. Dittint Getit

>>the alt right?
>the another petty meaningless divide and conquer fluffy distraction?
(its not entirely petty and meaningless... it is just (maybe not thaaaat) far from appropriately self-conscious and directed)

Didn't get what? The surface level Descartes references? The ham fisted Christ allusions?

This isn't some profound work of film form. It's a action movie with a mildly inventive narrative hook. It's not terrible as far as blockbuster movies go but there's nothing to get.

Fuck you, The Matrix is a great movie.

so is die hard but you don't see the alt left talking about the benefits of a classical education

>Didn't get what?
dude... we are slaves to the machine... mannn, dont you want to be freed and get your zion?

Well theres also theory that the 'zion' in the film, was also a part of the computer program matrix, and the whole film takes place in the matrix, that the machines didnt understand why some humans werent satisfied with their perfect modern world, so they made this more primitive realm for the more adventurish savage in man, who wants to rebel against perfect society, to play out his fantasy, I thought that was pretty cool, dont know how legit or intended it was though

t. Blue pilled retard

...

You're joking right?

Who gives a shit about this artificially constructed nonsense. Next you're going to tell me Inception is a real "brain buster".

>hey usa what u doin?
>gonna dry this swamp
>with more swamp?
>yeah watch me u cuck

actually laughed out loud.

fucking lmfao tho

>300 years later

The Virginia Aristocracy didnt even skip a breath before they took power after the treaty of paris

I don't get it.

Honestly, if we could crack the technique for high-fidelity dream recall and dream-sharing, the practical applications of cooperative lucid dreaming are nigh endless for both fine arts and STEM fields.

molyneux pls go

Intentional fallacy

>Who gives a shit about this artificially constructed nonsense.
Oh... you only read the classics. Youre favorite film is Pride and Prejudice

As I was walking to St. Ives, I met a faggot who forgot about all the riddles from Die Hard

and Zombies*

ftfy

>The Virginia Aristocracy didnt even skip a breath before they took power after the treaty of paris
im not smart enough on this topic to know if you are sarcastically making fun of me. Can you further explain?

I'll explain it the best I can. I think it's actually kind of brilliant.

-Die Hard is another action movie
-"benefits of a classical education" is a line the Alan Rickman character says.
-liberals actually seem to value the classical education very highly and view it as a source of enlightenment
-The "red pill" is seen as enlightenment by /pol/ but is simply a monniker

I don't know. It's just good wordplay and think it works on a couple levels.

In a sense, the arts are dream sharing, but yeah, I know what you mean

Please show some living conservative philosophers who aren't batshit crazy American fundamentalists or only known to 10 people.

Thanks, I don't really remember the first movie.

My favorite film is Sans Soleil by Chris Marker.

>Inception
Doesnt come any where close to the professionally found profundity of Le Matrixe

Too bad aristocracy is dead lmao, fucking LARPers

Washington, Jefferson, the Lees etc etc. All were super elites. Pic related, its Jefferson's house.

>Please show some living conservative philosophers
Please define conservative

>My favorite film is Sans Soleil by Chris Marker.
Cool, unironically thanks. Jokes on you though, I was just pretending to be retarded. I dont think the Matrix is as worthless as you present, but I was certainly facetiously being tongue in checkish with 'most important movie'

*green*You want to understand the world? Go out there and live to fullest.*green*

> as shallow as a late 90s blockbuster
As movies go, The Matrix is pretty Veeky Forums.

>I yearn for the time when debates were Buckley vs Chomsky and not Sanders vs Cruz.
When was this time that dumb politicians didn't debate?

It profoundly influenced the culture by mainstreaming easily digestible pseudo-philosophy and bringing a lot of Eastern tropes into Western art. Also represented a significant entry into the sci-fi canon and made grimdark cinematography more palatable. Without The Matrix, we wouldn't have gotten film adaptations of Sin City, Watchmen, and many other edgy comics.
The Matrix is important for the same reason Duchamp's "Fountain" is important - it was a relatively original idea which opened the floodgates for a lot of similar art to get made. Even if you don't agree with the aesthetic choices, both works are incredibly influential.

If only you'd used the word "alas", I would've been able to muster a hatred for you that would endure for at least an hour. Instead, I'll forget your existence as soon as I navigate away from this page, just as I'd forget a flushed turd, or a criminal negro who'd been shot dead by police.

this

Well I was hoping that was the case.

OP here, I appreciate your attempt to throw purple prose back at me.

Important isn't really the right word for what you describe. Influential probably fits better.

Harry Potter for instance isn't important but it will probably influence generations of terrible authors.

There is literally nothing wrong with socialist economics, it makes precisely zero difference that every state-capitalist government called itself such, just as it doesn't make a country democratic when it's ruled by corporate elites.
Social ownership of the means of production is the future, whether by violent revolutions or not.

I was with you right up until the "nuclear twilight" emo bit, buddy.

>As movies go, The Matrix is pretty Veeky Forums
No it isn't. Bresson's films are lit. Fellini's films are lit. Dreyer's films are lit. The Matrix is not lit.

"Conservatism" isnt an ideology.

If the EU actually decided to protect Europeans from immigration and didnt have a retarded single currency, then maybe it would survive.

But the idiots at the top of it were arrigant and out of touch, so it's their own fuckinf fault. I guarantee you Brexit would've lost if Merkel hadn't invited half the third world into Europe in 2015

It literally is though, the argument is implied and obvious.

>Europeans from immigration and didnt have a retarded single currency
The single currency is great. It gives a deflated value for countries like Germany and France and an inflated one for small countries. If the single currency ended almost all economies in the EU would suffer tremendously.

>le economies are doing great guys¡
> 50% youth unemployment

Yeah sure m8

unironically calling yourself red pilled is about as bad as unironically calling yourself woke

>Eliot
Are you referring to Eliot Hulse or Eliot Rodger?

>if the EU actually decided to protect Europeans from immigration maybe it could survive
No, even if all the third world trash miraculously disappeared Europe would still be doomed. The muslims are a symptom of the downfall, not its cause. The real and only cause is the death of culture.