Who are some writers that are basically right-wing versions of Chomsky?

I said nothing of the sort, it is completely incompetent, which has nothing to do with ideology (See Reagan when it comes to competency in instituting a right leaning platform).

But OP was seeking a Chomsky of the Right, and I responded that there is not one. That does not mean Bannon's brilliance in formulating a cohesive platform for the Trump campaign especially considering Trump is an apolitical amoral egoist that is difficult to control, and then disseminating that platform to a truly plebian audience is negated.

>Destructive currents will never lead to true catharsis
The seeds of liberal rule in Europe sewn in 1848, and sprouted in the ruins of 1918 say otherwise. Violence and destruction are inherent in creating catharsis, if only as a relief from the prior turning.

If Trump is as incompetent as he has shown his cabinet to be, the destruction he creates may very well show the country that significant changes must be made in the political process.

I'm not him but you keep moving the goalpost. I also think you underestimate other reasons why people voted for Trump, like being sick of identity politics and the media. I agree with you other than that though. The new administration is a mess and it sucks how broken the political system is.

Personally, I hope that future developments will bring about an authentic left that challenges the liberal-democratic state, with a clear message of economic transformation that divorces liberalism from socialism as a genuine emancipatory movement.
I can dream, anyway.

>sick of identity politics and the media
So basically Gamer Gate? You really overestimate the power of shut-in video gamers.

I have no idea what you actually want.
What's not authentic about the current left? They're doing exactly what you'd expect from the left.

Challenge the democratic state how?

Transform the political future away from socialism or towards it?

Not him, but the basis of the left should be complete Economic equality. Marxism died so now they get appropriated by hypocritical centrist warmongers and spend their time with silly, unimportant politics that anger Conservative America.

There are no right-wing intellectuals because right-wing politics has nothing to offer to intellectuals.

I can't stress this enough, the reason why all intellectuals are progressives, socialists or communists, is not because progressivism, socialism or communism is inherently superior. It's because these political and economical systems offer more jobs and status to intellectuals. Someone needs to staff all those planning commissions.

Smart conservatives become businessmen or engineers, not intellectuals.

>complete Economic equality
Utopian garbage. The last time that was the case was when mankind were hunter gatherers, and the next time it will be the case is when mankind has been reduced, again, to hunter gatherers. There will never be a post-scarcity society where a certain segment of the population seek to dominate, if only for powers sake.

Trump basically tells the same shit as Chomsky when it comes to overseas policty of the US.

Those conservatives are capitalist pigs and not reactionaries. They don't count. Shut up with your american centrism.

There are none

>no right-wing intellectuals
you mean alt-right, right? Because its been a while since I went to college, but I seem to remember that the conservative reaction to classical-liberalism was quite robust.

youtube.com/watch?v=SmfseeZt5fA

I dont think so tim.

And you really overestimate the power of calling everyone who disagrees with your views a virgin or nazi.
Dissatisfaction with the media has been rising around the world and it has nothing to do with GamerGate. "Lügenpresse" wasn't invented because of video gamers.
/pol/ is still Veeky Forums so there's a certain loser demographic but I've heard all of their concerns voiced by successful people in my real life who know nothing about the Internet except the likes of ebay.
Ridiculing people is the best way to lose their vote, another lesson from the election.

>What's not authentic about the current left?

You're kidding, right? Have you read any socialist/anarchist/syndicalist theory at all? The authentic left seeks to abolish the private ownership over means of production and institute social ownership, which for capitalist revisionists means "muh government", but actually means an economy based on worker-controlled enterprises and production for use.
Read/listen to any Chomsky lecture on anarcho-syndicalism for a model of such a society.

Good post.

And it goes hand in hand with this: Conservatism isn't the same as right-wing. Conservative reaction in the past usually meant protecting the monarchy, aristocracy, your merchant privileges, etc.

"Right" and "left" are just too simple. It's usually about equality of opportunity vs. equality of outcome vs. castes. In the past, it was the conservatives fighting against equal opportunity. Now, it's the left doing that.

>Der Spiegel used to be my goto for European News
>Liberal Hacks now
>The Atlantic used to have great articles on the lifestyles of people around the world
>Liberal Hacks now
>Vanity Fair used to have wonderful writeups on elite scandals
>Liberal Hacks now
>The New York Review of Books used to have 2-3 reviews of forgotten classics an issue
>Liberal Hacks now
>The New Republic used to be a goto for arts and culture
>Liberal Hacks now

I dont mind liberal points of view since monolithic rejection of liberalism is akin to redpill tribalism, but the quality of the media has become so rife with hyperbole that it is nearly unbearable.

No, I know what you mean, but that's not the "left" for me. That has never been the left. The only left there ever was, politically, has been anti-anarchy, anti-individuum, pro-government (under new fancy names like "committee").
What you suggest as "left" is in reality much closer to what is about as right-wing as it gets nowadays, a society as designed by Hoppe.

Today's left is exactly the same as the left 50 years ago and 100 years ago, so I would call it quite authentic.

100% how I feel and how I know a lot more people feel, not just GamerGaters. It's just a pendulum swinging back. Unfortunately the pendulum has been given the face of Trump.

Der Spiegel is still very much classic left and is only part of the liberal front if you consider their obvious distaste for populist movements and their shitty online offerings. The Sueddeutsche Zeitung is one of the most informed and interesting newspapers around. The F.A.Z. and Die Welt are substantial to say the least. People who complain about media agendas mostly read privatized garbage by the Axel-Springer-Group or Facebook News here in Germany. The AfD is probably the most laughable excuse for a populist party in all of Europe; they even fail to capitalize on the obvious change of political atmosphere and are rhetorically incompetent.

Is there even a contemporary right wing intellectual who is remotely as smart as chomsky?

>Der Spiegel was very much classic left and is now only part of the liberal front because they realized the profitability of clickbait news cycles.
ftfy

I do only read Der Spiegel International in English though, so perhaps that is the base of my problem.

Olavo de Carvalho

No one outside Brazil knows him, though.

yeah of course
As I said their printed stuff is still occasionally good journalism. Their online stuff is obviously profit-oriented but their almost dying so I don't blame them.

This conservative reaction was protecting the jobs of the monarchical bureaucracy against classical liberalism that endangered it. Joseph de Maistre, Juan Donoso Cortés and Konstantin Pobedonostsev were all bureaucrats, for example. So they were not defending conservatism and reaction so much as they were defending their jobs.

>Carvalho rejects Karl Popper's open society for "not recognizing any transcendent values and by leaving everything at the mercy of economic conveniences
>In some works, Olavo de Carvalho attempts a criticism of mechanicism,[27] strongly criticizing Isaac Newton,[28] Galileo[29] and René Descartes.[30] He explains how Newton's First Law contradicts itself when lacking a traditional metaphysics.
>Carvalho opposes astronomers and scientists in general who refuse to consider astrology as an object of scientific study, seeing in this refusal a partisan attitude.
>Another target of his criticism is Darwinism. Carvalho wrote: "All he [Charles Darwin] did was to venture a new explanation for that theory [evolutionism] — and his explanation was wrong. No one else, among the self-proclaimed Darwin's disciples, believes in 'natural selection'.
Are you memeing me?

I think you are being disingenuous. People like Cavour were obviously pro-monarchy, even when they supported liberal reforms as a means to increased Royal power. And that is to say nothing of The Holy League and sincere Christian reaction to atheistic liberal leanings. The "wars" in France against Jansenist teachings were not bereft of intellectuals.

These are all out of context, the guy who edited his wikipedia article was probably a commie who hated him.

He never criticized Newtonian mechanics and Darwinism as scientific theories, for example, only their political implications.

Look, I make it a point to always stay friendly in discussions but you need to start considering that the person you disagree with is just as smart as you.
I have some sympathy because when I was younger, I'd talk more like you too, had my clear-cut enemy in Axel Springer and could laugh along with the Daily Show/heute-show.

But you are simply wrong. SZ, FAZ and to a lesser extent Welt are all "good" newspapers and certainly substantial - but they are all heavily biased and heavily controlled by their top people. Look at the studies showing more than 80% of journalists to be aligned with left parties as opposed to less than 10% for right parties (if you consider CDU right).

If you genuinely think that there's nothing wrong when the death of a girl is "national" news but the discovery that her murderer is caught and found to be a refugee suddenly is "regional" news and you don't see any agenda behind that, then I just feel sorry for you.

I agree on AfD but it's still the best choice you have as a German. Of course you'll think I'm just a low-status, uneducated idiot for thinking that.
Welt is owned by Axel Springer SE by the way.

I hope you find the time to reconsider who your enemies are over the years.

Ancaps should be executed because of shit like this, tbqh

Ignore this, Olavo constantly claims outrageous bullshit (his biggest moment being when he claimed that Pepsi was made of dead foetuses) and his followers band to defend his senile ramblings.

Olavo de Carvalho
> remotely as smart as chomsky

lmao. Go back to FDUSP.

>Look at the studies showing more than 80% of journalists to be aligned with left parties as opposed to less than 10% for right parties (if you consider CDU right).
More like
>80% of journalist are aligned with left parties (if you consider SPD and Grüne left-wing)

I don't think bad about you. But I do have some friends who look slightly Middle-Eastern and foreign and have experienced some real stupid arguments and open aggression before. Our public discourse is completely fucked but this war is being fought on the backs of some people who just want to live a normal life. I just feel strongly about this and I've been fairly apolitical but I've been experiencing many needless political arguments lately.

Chomsky has definitively shown that libertarian socialism is the logical conclusion of classical liberalism, so a right-wing version of him would have to be some retarded pre-liberal conception of government.

>He never criticized Newtonian mechanics and Darwinism as scientific theories, for example, only their political implications.
Are you implying that's not retarded? Also, from my basic understanding of portuguese the sources seem to correlate with the claims in the post you responded to.
Sorry, I'll assume that by comparing chomsky to an astrologer that criticizes the metaphysics of classical mechanics and misreads popper you are memeing me or are retarded.

I see some leftists trying to appropriate Adam Smith, conveniently ignoring his other book, "The Theory of Moral Sentiments",

Every free-market capitalist conveniently forgets that Smith despised the idea of huge corporations and agglomerations of private power, positively speculated about the concept of worker-ownership, and thought that governments need to intervene in order to reduce economic inequality.

Wow it's like I'm literally reading Hayek
Oh wait

Who is the protestant pope?

>"Theres no proof that consciousness comes from the brain"
>"The only science with a thoroughly rational discourse is theology"

Stop embarassing our country man, please. 5 bucks says you're one of Bolsonaro's idiots, too.

Wait, do you actually want the country to keep being one of the most violent ones in the world?

60,000 homicides every year are fine with you?

I agree it's often fought on the backs of the wrong people but honestly, that is the fault of the left for refusing to let it be fought on the back of the people who deserve it. And I'm forced into a game of right-wing identity politics and to vote for AfD because the alternative would be to vote for parties who will make everything so bad and cultivate so many bottled-up aggressions that you'll see some real aggression.
So - I can agree with everything you said. But it has nothing to do with what we were talking about before. The media is in a very bad state and the term Lügenpresse is not just something for dumb neo-nazis from the East. It's a reality.

Non brazilian. Are they the same retards that like coelho?

No, I just want you to stop posting for a while, read a book or two (NOT Olavo de Carvalho), and use your head a little.

Institutionalized crime is not an answer to crime.

No, to like coelho you must read it in a foreign language or not have read anything at all before.

They are the rich retards that defend the stupidest dictatorship in the world (which put brazil into insane debts) just because they don't like a "kinda leftist" (and also very stupid) political party.

No because nazies are dumb bigots who don't want refugees cocks in their asses

>cultivate so many bottled-up aggressions that you'll see some real aggression.
Except that's literally what the AfD does.

The most significant right wing thinker of the contemporary era is Alasdair MacIntyre. His ethics go a long way and his criticism of modernity is absolutely brilliant.

Yeah, we can agree. You're refreshingly well-spoken, so thanks for the great discussion.

Communitarianism is anti-capitalist though.

>Except that's literally what the AfD does.
You might reconsider how you use the word "literally".
Members of the AfD have been physically assaulted, their cars put on fire, their offices destroyed. At my university, members of the AfD and even people just close to them get put up on Antifa websites along with their photo, name, where to find them and calls to hurt and kill them.

It's the opposite of how you paint things. I won't deny that there is violence from neo-nazis (who usually hate the AfD, actually) but it's ridiculously small not just compared to the violence on the left side, but also to the non-political violence from the people who led Merkel to say in 2006(?) that "multiculturalism has utterly failed".
You will learn what real aggression is when the money runs out. And it won't come from any political parties.

Dugin and Benost.

Capitalism is liberalism you dumb americunt. The first anti-capitalists are reactionaries.

Dugin is a fucking madman

That's because capitalism is liberal.

Nah man, you should come to the rural areas and there's more than enough violence incited by AfD voters. Sure you can consider the Antifa violent lawless muggers but there sure are more than enough violent Right-Wing people who aren't full on skinheads. The AfD can't be considered "clean" because, especially compared to other European parties, it's deeply rooted in former full on Neonazi parties and the Pegida movement. You could trace this back to Filbinger! Face it, Germany out of all places isn't the clean-cut PC place it's made out to be in media. The companies who flourished during 2WW are still very much alive and continue to gather public funds.

>2017
>still not being an eurasian fifth columnist postironically