/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

Shaeönanra is perfect.

Vodalus is a cuck.

Sheonanra is a used-up Inchoroi SLUT. Slut!

youtu.be/dvgZkm1xWPE

realtalk, would /sffg/ call bullishit if a character managed to kill a god-like being by poisoning or asphyxiating it?

I had this idea where a character has to kill a kubey-like hive mind who is infinitely more powerful than him so he takes advantage of the small size of its bodies by causing a massive gas leak

The beginning is good. But it drags on too long. Stop when you think it's getting stale, but read the beginning.

Wait for the edited version. Currently it has a lot of fat that needs trimming, and you'll avoid this problem.

Can any of you white devils recommend me some books written by PoC? No whiteys please.

Cixin Liu is a pretty good Chinese SciFi author. I really liked The Three Body Problem

It's been done, and I think not just in Planescape: Torment. Can't recall where or how.

Charles R. Saunders, the Imaro series. Imaro's a strong African herdsman that wrecks faces and doesn't fear no man and there's not even no whiteys, there's no whiteys mentioned, nobody blaming anything on whitey.

China Mieville has China in his name and China has a billion POC

Perdido Street Station has People of Chitin

What's a book that can give me one actual, non-bullshit reason why humanity as a whole still deserves to exist

Deserves on what grounds? Have Space Suit Will Travel involves humanity going on trial but it's just for nonviolence or something, there's always some reason writers give why we do or don't deserve to continue.

do we have a single redeeming feature? I used to believe that we were at least improving morally but that seems to be going down the shitter too

I've seen more honest and virulent racism in the past few months than I have in the entire rest of my life

Well you can't because it doesn't

Redeeming to what? Moral on what grounds? Maybe racism is good and we're finally being redeemed. What grounds?

>Maybe racism is good and we're finally being redeemed.

I'd tell you to kill yourself and mean it except I'd like to do the task for you personally. Do you live on the east coast by any chance?

Can you prove racism isn't good? Antiracism is a helpful meme in a lot of situations, but you're putting a moral weight on it that you're refusing to back up.

tn: "I hate you" isn't a proof

morals don't have an objective basis, they aren't grounded in the laws of math, logic and physics

however, it should be obvious that treating individuals as subhuman because of the color of their skin or the particular patch of dirt they were born in is morally unjustifiable as it causes them harm and suffering

Harm and suffering are often good things. Surgery is incredibly painful, and needs long periods of recovery even when successful.

but that's not harm and suffering themselves being beneficial, that's lesser amounts harm and suffering being necessary to prevent even greater amounts of harm and suffering, with large amounts of effort being devoted to minimizing the former

Are you going to make the claim that it is never possible to reduce suffering by treating individuals as subhuman? There's a certain American underclass that was a lot more literate, better-educated, and with families that lasted longer when they were.

I'm not going to try to claim racism as a universal moral good, but I will tell you if you think every advanced alien species we encounter will think us moral reprobates for it you're wrong.

This series any good?

>a lot more literate, better-educated
the literacy rate was 9% and grounds for a lynching

>with families that lasted longer when they were.
you were either forced to breed with someone you didn't remotely like or were torn from your children for economic reason

Listen user. you obviously don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about. I'm not sure where you're getting your facts, but you're being extensively mislead by cruel, close-minded and deeply insecure "people"

I urge you to educate yourself with sources you wouldn't otherwise trust because your so-called dark enlightenment is nothing but willful and dangerous ignorance

...

If you think blacks in the 1950s were forced to breed you're pretty misled. As for literacy
answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=130002
NPR is about as non-dark enlightenment as you can get.

Now, the point we're arguing is whether or not humans deserve to exist, which is very /sffg/ because a lot of such literature involves humans being dragged before a panel of gods or aliens to answer for the sin of not acting as the author thinks is moral. I say that's a stupid question if you can't make a clear case for your moral grounds.

I was talking about slavery

>implying only whites lurk this general
huehuehue

Then you should have said "slavery" and not "racism," user.

Read and tell us.

admittedly there have been some very negative interior cultural developments over the past 40 years but I don't see any evidence that the differences have a causal relationship

>I've seen more honest and virulent racism in the past few months than I have in the entire rest of my life

Maybe you shouldn't have started browsing Veeky Forums in the last few months then. If you're having an identity crisis over people getting called nigger on the internet you should stay on whatever shithole referred you here.

Same for the other /pol/fucker arguing back, do you dumb niggers want this thread deleted like the one two or so threads ago that started with the same type of shit?

Are you going to keep this /sffg/ related or not? Whether or not there's been a causal relationship, it's obvious that antiracism hasn't been some sort of panacea that would save us from judgmental aliens. Maybe they'd tell us we were unfair to blacks by trying to put them on a level playing field? My point is stupid questions like "do we deserve do exist" are based entirely on your own biases.

Okay, back to sff. has anyone found a good place to track new releases? Io9 has been doing a shit job since charlie jane anders left

I've been here since the jessie slaughter incident. I believe that was 2008? It always existed here and I've accepted that but the fact is that Veeky Forums is leaking both into the rest of the internet and the real world.

Not an ebook fan?

>jackvance.com/ebooks/shop/?q22_action=view&q22_id=74

Does anyone knows of an ebook version of The Killing Star?

I really want to read it but it's very expensive to order it for real (+ shipping)

I saw a 2010 thread asking for the same thing, so I don't know if this is the right thread but it's SF so, you know
Fucker in that thread gave a direct torrent link ;_;

>morals don't have an objective basis
>however, it should be obvious that... is morally unjustifiable
This is why atheists should stop trying to into morality.

favela

if politics has taught me anything, it's that 95% of people (myself included) are stupid or evil.

Nah, not really
Only have an iphone and my laptop ATM and I don't really enjoy reading for long periods of time on them
The omnibus' do look decent though so I might cop soon enough

Gj derailing the thread retards

I think your best bet is just an audiobook seems like a pain to get hold of.

One reason I can think of to prefer them is that the ebooks are the Vance Integral Edition texts whereas the old print books have various degrees of editorial interference.

Spatterlight Press is also printing new paperback versions of the VIE volumes. I'm seeing overseas Amazon links for them so perhaps the U.S. rights are still reserved.

>jackvance.com/signatureseries/#vol38

MyAnonamouse only has the audiobook.

Not that user, but I was here since 07?? it's aaaawwwright
It was more of a sarcastic / ironic type of racism. It's when stormfront invaded that shit got real. People used to be racist to be edgy and shock, stormfront/news/pol/ came here saw our ironic racism and thought it to be real.

They rounded up their neonazi irl comrades and brought them here. The racist remarks used to be confined to /b/. When moot deleted their containment board aka news they spread to the rest of the site. After everyone complained moot made pol and started banning when you discussed out of there.

tl;dr Veeky Forums was sarcastic and ironic, real stormfront came and started real racism

Myanonamouse AND Audiobook bay just have the audiobook.

>implying ironic racism no longer exists on Veeky Forums

>It's a retards will discuss the politics in this thread and get the entire thread nuked again episode
Didn't you fags learn anything after the 300 posts about an uncircumcised penis thread?

>time to get this thread back on track
Going to do an update for this chart some time soon. I know you are all patiently waiting for it.

i wasn't here for that. i don't frequent these threads because nobody ever answers my questions.

>nobody ever answers my questions.
Now that's probably a case of no one ever reading the book you're talking about user.

Do you take suggestions or is it just your personal list?
Have you read Fear the Sky or 14?

nice quads

It's most likely he is the user that asks a bunch of stupid questions / writing advice questions.

Well?

#bookz doesn't have it either.

The blurb looks interesting.

It's my personal recommendation from books I read.
If books are shilled I read and place them on my charts if they are good (library at mount char, shades of grey, etc).

If they are shit I make sure to let everyone know once the shill shows his face here again (red knight, buried giant [rrrrrreeeeeee]).

The qt girl who tames the heart of The Mule

Neither does Bibliotik or IRCHighwaynet for that matter.

>Who is R. Daneel Olivaw
>A robot is more memorable than any character from 80% of the books on this list
Asimov was truly masterrace

He's right, Asimov is not great. He had great ideas, but great ideas do not a great writer make.

>tfw the Mule isn't a protagonist

>implying he's not
>implying Seldon's not the antagonist
>implying a thirty-thousand-year break from Empire wouldn't have done the Galaxy a world of good

>let me shitpost chart user's list
>i haven't done it in a while after all

Can someone give me a rundown on the Worm Ouroboros?

It's manly.

City of Stairs.

That's the Testament of Kevin.
Have a care user, lest ye be led down his dark path.

Just finished this today, felt a little rushed and had one to many Deus ex Machina's for me. Is this a 'bad run' from Moorcock or is this a indication of someone over hyping me on how good Moorcocks works where.

Moorcock's pretty bad. It makes his whining about Tolkien even funnier.

I don't know about great, but out of the trio of Golden Age greats, Asimov, Clarke, and Heinlein, I prefer Asimov every time.

More than Clarke and Heinlein, Asimov is a crowd pleaser, a writer who wanted to awe and entertain the masses with his speculations on technology and interstellar civilisations. I'm sure his populist sensibility comes from his upbringing in his father's shop reading pulps.

Meanwhile Clarke ruins good premises with his dull restraint. I know the point of Rendezvous Rama is that nothing happens, but it is not a satisfying read. If Asimov wrote this book, the dialogue would be snappier, a little more quirky, and the crew would feel more human, and the story could be enjoyed regardless of whether there is a payoff. As it is, Clarke is a wet fish.

Oh damn that is something then, shit maybe I'll look into it I just really wanted the Omnibus

Moorcock's a hack, he ripped off The Witcher series.

Well fuck me, guess I was japed. Why is he up on the selected books for fantasy if he's a rushing boy.

Well Susan Calvin was really anti-social and mean but desired love even though she was really bad at emotional stuff
But yeah I guess, most of the characters are vehicles for the plot and science-magic

Likely because it's either not related to the thread's topic or it's about something really niche nobody here has read. Keep in mind this general is a fairly small community so the pool of authors that people are familiar with is pretty small. It's generally the same 10 fantasy and same 10 sci-fi authors mentioned over and over again.

Is Jeff Noon worth reading?

What you reading Vince?

This book was written in like a week (not exaggerating) so it's not surprising it ain't great. I was surprised how good it was due to the composition conditions.

Thaaaaat explains it, alright, guess that means It'll get better in other books.

What is PKD's best book and why is it UBIK?

What do you guys think about this short story idea:
Set in a stereotypical medieval fantasy world where there is an old prophecy about a chosen one who will one day come and bring about a Golden Age to the whole known world.
However the chosen one turns out to be a lecherous painter who cums instead of comes and the Golden Age relates to his piss fetish.
Then the rest of the story is about the chosen one's struggles to start a worldwide porn industry with all the most talented painters and wizards so it'd be like The People vs. Larry Flynt but in a fantasy land?

Thank you for searching anyway, I might buy the physical copie then

I read the first chapter. The writing was nice but it looks like it will be a teenage romance. Probably not gonna continue.

- American Gods and The Ocean at The End of the Lane but no Neverwhere.

- Absolutely no Dark Tower at all.

- A Harlan Ellsion collection that doesn't contain Jeffty is Five and is a fucking audiobook.

- No Olaf Stapledon in Science Fiction, just Phillip Pullman.

- No James Herbert, but George R.R. Martin instead.

- No M.R. James. No Lovecraft, No Poe, No H.G. Wells.

Veeky Forums, I'm on of the executives at Penguin Book and I have no fucking idea what your purpose is. Long ago we stopped having board meetings discussing how to market to you retards using banner ads because all you do is insist a novel about wheelchair ninjas by a social outcast weirdo who killed himself is the best novel in existence.

Infinite Jest is not a good book. V. by Thomas Pinecone is the rambling of a man who's barricaded themselves in an attic crawlspace and are refusing meds.

Let's see.
>American Gods
decent, I guess, but urban fantasy isn't the cup of tea of most people here.
>Dark Tower
Maybe just the first book? The series gets progressively worse, and just the first book on its own has an unsatisfying climax, so...nah.
>No M.R. James. No Lovecraft, No Poe, No H.G. Wells
What part of "modern" fantasy don't you understand, mr Penguin Book executive? You'd expect some reading comprehension. And why the fuck are you bringing up Pynchon and Wallace in a fantasy thread?

Go away. Leave our child alone.

To Kill A God (TKAG)

What are some fantasy series with the best crew similar to Kruppe and Co?