I'm halfway through On the Genealogy of Morals and to be honest, I'm having a hard time. I understand what he's writing but I don't really understand the significance of it. This is my first time reading any sort of philosophy besides The Republic.
Can someone give me a source that I can use to better understand the importance of what I'm reading and maybe what Nietzsche is trying to communicate?
Ethan Ward
>first time reading philosophy >starts with Nietzsche
Asher Hill
i didn't want to start with the greeks
Gavin Roberts
I can understand that, but Nietzsche?... personally i think is one of the worst options for introduce youself into philosophy
Ian Martinez
this
Should probably start with, Kant, Hegel, Aristotle (Poetics)...
Austin Wilson
Well you kinda have too... Or read a short text at least,
Xavier Cox
Jodan B Peterson's lectures. First half of his personality lectures
Xavier Roberts
Focus on one of the 3 essays. They're different enough and understanding one of them is probably better than reading the 3.
Adam Reed
Holy shit, Kant and Hegel for starters, are you fucking serious? I'm a philosophy stundent and those philosophers are very hard. Specially Hegel, who is very abstract.
Ryan Ramirez
I'm just starting the third, but I felt the first one was the most understandable to me. The second one was where I struggled a little bit.
I guess I shouldn't have started with Nietzche. Who should I read? I forgot to mention I've read Rousseau's discourse on inequality as well.
Jayden Brown
>Write Beyond Good and Evil >Get told by your publisher that it's too difficult and not selling >Write On the Genealogy of Morals to ease people into your philosophy >Passive-aggressively note in your introduction that the inability to understand Beyond Good and Evil is not your fault, but the fault of the reader >People don't even understand your new/simplified book >tfw
Jason Williams
Shut up you syphilitic crazy man
Alexander Myers
This.
Just kys, OP.
Jordan Ramirez
Brain cancer nigga. We all know Big N died a virgin.
Joshua Jackson
Fine, how should I kill myself?
Should I start with the nooses?
Elijah Clark
"One more dance?" and I'm like "Yeah" How the hell am I supposed to leave?
Benjamin Stewart
You sould start being an hero
Christian Smith
Yeaah... Nietzsche is really hard because he expects his readers to be smart. Notice how he writes aphorisms all the time.
The thing is he assumes that you'll do your research if you reaaally want to know what he's talking about.
Parker Torres
that's why i'm trying to do some research but you fuckers aren't recommending any sources and instead berating me as an inept idiot and telling me to kill myself
fuck you Veeky Forums i give up on philosophy
Ryder Lewis
I would look up some lectures on Nietzsche by a relatively well-respected professor. If they're good, they will give you enough context for a least an initial understanding of Nietzsche.
Completely disagree with everyone here and the "start with" memes btw. Start with what you are interested in and then branch out. There is nothing wrong with initial misunderstandings and not getting everything on the first read. It's a process amd starting with what you are interested in will allow you to be more committed to that process.
Austin Watson
Welcome to Veeky Forums ¿First time here?
Tyler Ward
it's my first time up your mom's anus
Daniel Price
>said the omega
Lincoln Martin
Don't give up. Everyone here is fucking dumb and is more committed to the memes than actual education. Just do what I said here . It's going to be a bit of a struggle as you are trying to think in ways you have probably never thought before and that is okay.
Evan Collins
>Start with what you are interested in and then branch out.
ye but he asked for recommendation
Nathaniel Sanchez
thanks i'll start looking up so lectures on youtube
Oliver Hill
Nietzsche is a reaction to previous philosophy. If you don't understand philosophy previously you'll just go full retard and interpret him like the Nazis did.
At least you read the Republic.
Luis Diaz
That's the tricky part with philosophy though, you can't give up. It's a lot of connecting the dots field.
Zachary Williams
I know that, that's why I look up what he's referring to everytime he make's a reference. But even with that, I still feel like I'm getting a surface reading of his book. I'm trying to find a source that can help me interpret his ideas beyond what's written.
Daniel Carter
Or you could read a fucking book.
Alexander Adams
What do you think I've been doing? Reading a picture?
Jayden Lopez
You can't read a reactionary philosopher if you have no idea what he is reacting against. Plato is only the beginning, you have to read the presocratics and at least everything up to Nietzsche.
When I say read, I also mean something like lectures, courses, and so on.
Lucas Evans
And when I say source, I mean give me some sources to different lectures, courses, books that I can read to better understand Nietzche.
Anthony Hughes
>wants to understand Nietzsche >doesn't care about other philosophers
OP needs to stop being an impatient retard and start with the basics.
Angel Turner
I actually started with Beyond Good and Evil and it is quite readable.
Christopher Taylor
no fuck you i'm gonna read whatever i want and do what i want
Aaron Lee
Nietzsche is as simple as it gets.
Affirm live. Evil != bad. Love your fate. That's basically it.
Oliver Peterson
S E N E C A E N E C A U R E L I U S
Ayden Cooper
then you'll never acquire more than a surface understanding of Nietzsche. You want all the rewards without putting in any of the effort. Fuck you
Jordan Brown
Don't forget Gaya Scienza and the Overman.
Adam Garcia
Raymond Geuss and ourguy Greg Sadler have very informative youtube videos on GoM. check them out
Nolan Moore
theyre.hard because they were terrible writers ehich led to horrible translations
Ian Turner
i didn't think they were that hard.
but lol i didn't know they were horrible writers. I do you know?
Connor Clark
how*
Liam Diaz
how bout i fuck your mama bitch boi
Angel Gray
You don't have to literally start with the greek. When people say start with the greeks, they're usually meming and people mistake their words in the literal sense, but it is true to start with the greeks in the sense of reading summaries, and with an introduction to western philosophy, like that of bertrand russel's or antony flew's, after that, maybe actually start with the greeks
Ryan Nelson
I got an audible great sources lecture called Socrates, Plato and Aristotle; 12 hours worth of material; good place to start ? Also read Will Durant's summary for Plato/
Michael Edwards
i have no knowledge of the material so i can't say... but if it's accessible to you go ahead, and then read the actual greeks themselves later
Jace Bennett
>Not Starting with will to power and Zarathustra >being this much of a pleb in 2017 Just convert to Christianity already, geez
Colton Gonzalez
You may just need a better edition of whatever work you're reading. If you got one without a 20+ page intro, and notes, you'll have a hard time understanding anything.
Robert Clark
YouTube.
Look up smart people talking about it. The significance is describing where all the recent degeneration in western society is fundamentally coming from.
Things to focus on: Will to power, Ressentiment, the priest class, Slave morality.
Also he'll sound like a /pol/-tier anti-Semite in some parts of the book, but just push on and you'll see that he attacks those guys too.
Leo Myers
But he's grown up in a platonic culture, so as long as he can connect the philosophy jargon with shit that literally happens in our culture he'll be fine
Caleb Richardson
Sure but he also needs to associate things with people so he can understand who nee chee is ranting about.
Isaiah Gutierrez
>HEY GUYS IM HALF WAY THROUGH BUILDING A HOUSE BUT IT DOESNT SEEM TO WANT TO STAND UP, KEEPS FALLING DOWN
>I DIDN'T WANT TO START BY POURING A FOUNDATION OR BUILDING A FRAME, I'M JUST LEANING SHEETS OF DRYWALL AGAINST EACH OTHER