How are you people dealing with the saturation in STEM, especially in the US?

The future is pretty grim. Society is a monolithic normie block of underemployed "STEM" grads with no capacity to resist automated security forces. With nothing to do except live off government welfare through some stupid basic income scheme, people devolve into savagery through boredom and lack of purpose. The oligarchs realize that society without culture, traditions and change is meaningless and boring; ruling a kingdom of automatons is unfulfilling. Either they degenerate even more and become extreme hedonists or they just shut everything down and reset the game with nukes.

We are literally becoming the Eldar in their transition towards the Dark Eldar, except we co-exist and let lesser races like Orks breed with us.

We are literally in the shittiest timeline.

So what the fuck are we supposed to do?
A majority of us will owe money to either the government or private banks and I really doubt the average Veeky Forums/sci poster can deal with the stress of loan sharks hunting them down.
I know I can't

That's why I got a degree in the Liberal Arts.
I got hired as soon as I finished uni.

>They've done multiple internships during school
and yet none of those place wanted to hire them? sounds like a lie, or they're terrible

>How are you people dealing with the saturation in STEM, especially in the US?

I am not in the US and my degree (mathematics) isn't saturated at all here. I got lucky, I think. There is even a lack of mathematicians here, which is why I already have a full ride not only for undergrad but for a master and Ph.D. The only problem is that this is caused by the fact that the research scene here is small and the universities are nowhere close to being the highest ranked so if I want to "become famous" I will inevitably have to try and crack into the US market which is saturated. That said, if I do not make it that far then I at least won't be a perpetual minimum wage suicidal postdoc because I will have the option to just settle down here and be a highly paid full-time professor and researcher, just in a less famous place. And that is fine too, there are researchers here and some of them literally make 6 figures. 6 fucking figures just for doing math. Comparing that to the 40k a year people get in the US makes it sound very good.

>joining the military as a health officer or whatever it's called.
Military seems like a sweet deal overall if you have a degree, 95% of the jobs in the military have nothing to do with infantry I'm surprised more people don't do it. Working as a pharmacist for the airforce seems near ideal to me. I'd do it if I weren't dq because of my diabetes.

i am studying exactly what i want and i won't even consider changing my degree over some petty ass problem like getting a job. if i don't find one immediately i'll just travel the world even if i don't have any cash, you guys are a bunch of pussies

Devolve into savagery? Our society is bursting at the seams and soon enough Western society will die. This is the consequence of letting moralist "humanitarians" and Jews infiltrate our society.

You want to know who will inherit the ashes of Western society? It'll be the Russians and Oriental nations. They'll watch us collapse like bastards, pick apart the ruins of our empires, and then "clean out" the degenerates that linger on.

Like I said, the future is fucked. I honest to god believe that the only chance the world has for a truly meaningful future is if we ship off select groups of whites on space ships as far away as possible from this solar system, and let the Eastern nations deal with an eternal nigger/sandnigger insurgency as they scavenge the globe for resources.

There's a million fucking engineers just in america, and a billion more from india willing to work for a bowl of rice.
There's literally no reason for a company to hire more than one or two american engineers, and they would just manage the pajeets.
And because they're "managers", they want 5 years of experience.
And guess what, it's basically impossible to stand out in this market. Everything you did will be one uped by chang, and then some.

>The future is pretty grim. Society is a monolithic normie block of underemployed "STEM" grads
Socialist retards actually believe this. It is about supply and demand. Both (((higher education))) and (((industry))) benefits from 1) churning more people through costly college tuition (aka liberal brainwashing) and 2) an increased pool of potential wageslaves, which can be used to depress wages.

Higher education is the BIGGEST meme

You still have to go through a version of boot camp, attend of a ton of military shit and give up any other citizenship you have.
If I gave up my greek citizenship my mom would disown me

Have fun being homeless and living on the run from tyrone the loan shark

The ROTC scholarships are pretty sweet too. $18000 for tuition, ~$2000 spending money every year, $900 textbook money in exchange for serving for 4 years once you graduate. Some colleges have scholarships for ROTC cadets that cover room and board or part of it too.

it's really not that bad.
you do need to renounce your dual-citizenship for security clearance, though.

Haha Engineering fags btfo
Enjoy your meme degree you cucks.

No shit you retard /pol/ack. The Jew fucks want our society to have an abundance of skilled labor to depress wages, and then they'll have every excuse to make us fight over bits and pieces.

Too bad they forgot that Tyrone is outbreeding them both in American and Israel, and Ahmed isn't too far off from being the majority in Israel either.

Fuck them all, I hope the Chinese gas this whole hemisphere with anthrax.

Will this happen in 4 years though?
Other wise I'll still need to keep my GPA up...

Literally what I just said you fucking retard, work on your reading comprehension.

BUT EVERYONE DESERVES AN EDUCATION YOU FACIST PIG!!!!!111!!!

In some cases like Physics you need a PhD to get to the interesting stuff.

There is always a need for good people at the USPTO, pay isn't too shabby either.

>you do need to renounce your dual-citizenship for security clearance, though.
I don't want to make my mom sad though.
Also going back to greece is my exit strategy for when it all collapses here. Can't really give that up

Conspiracy theories are simple explanations to complex problems for simple people.

It's heavily affecting medicine too. Especially Pharmacy, Internal Medicine MDs/DOs and Dentists

>I'd do it if I weren't dq because of my diabetes.
>tfw people with diabetes are turned away from the military but psychotic trannies who join up just to cut their cocks off on the government's dime are welcome in droves
what the fuck is wrong with this society

No, you get the dubious honor of living in the shitty transition period where niggers and hispanics become the majority, then start bickering with eachother until the sandniggers come in big enough numbers to play in the sandbox too.

Then the decline is just one long century of social and technological decay as the Jews realize they played a dangerous game and watch Israel fall to Leftist retards just like every other nation with decent living standards.

Your degree might get you a decent job now, but to say the least there is no guarantee of your future. Your kids are totally fucked though, don't bother having them unless there is talk of a spaceship sending people to other planets.

I used to dismiss the bullshit on /pol/ about the great global conspiracy. But I'm catching more and more (((chosen))) figures trying to push retarded memes to the masses. It's bad enough to witness the social decay now compared to my childhood, when the stupid shit was just getting ramped up. I can't imagine how people like me felt in the 60's.

There are other factors associated with our decline, but the death-dealing blow will always be shadow actors using economics to play god out of sheer boredom. Jewish, White, whoever they are, they've really fucked things up now. I only use the term "Jew" to denote them because most of their higher level shills in government, academia, entertainment and finance are Jewish. There are plenty of Jewish right-wingers that are just as horrified by the state of affairs as white right-wingers are.

>what the fuck is wrong with this society
Politics.
Gender dysphoria is a mental disease but people with that disease politicized it and turned it into an identity so that they are protected under the various equal opportunity laws.

You have diabetes, all you need to do is say that "health" is in a spectrum and that you reject the "healty/unhealthy" binary. You identify as a non-binary health-status person, and that you deserve the same rights as so called "healthy" people.

You don't need to renounce until they perform the SSBI, at which point they will ask you to renounce your citizenship. This will be in your senior year of ROTC, after you have already signed a 4-year service commitment and taken the oath of enlistment.
Spend less time on /pol/. The government (was) very conservative in their acceptance of transgenders. It was tightly controlled, and hardly "in droves".
Because disorders co-morbid with gender dysphoria are DQing, they didn't join in droves either. Only a few thousand service-members are transgender. They've been grandfathered in but no new transgenders are going to be allowed henceforth.

A few thousand trannies is a few thousand too may imho. Medication and logistical upkeep is wayyy more expensive for trannies than people with diabetes who need insulin. It's ridiculous either way.

>How are you people dealing with the saturation in STEM, especially in the US?

Easy, I'm going to med school. Gotta love that artificial deficit in doctors.

I don't disagree. The "untapped talent pool" from the transgender population is minuscule, whereas the readiness concerns and medical costs are disproportionately high. I agree with the decision to bar transgenders. Could've been handled better, but there was a reasonable outcome. Now that we have spent the money training, transitioning, whatever a couple thousand transgenders, it doesn't make much sense to kick them out and eat those costs. Just grandfather them in, but bar transgenders from joining in the future.

How does the pre-med track work? I'm in mechE ug so it's probably too late for me.

Upkeep costs for transgender servicepeople are negligible and are a tenth of what the army spends on Sildenafil.

That is a horrible abuse of statistics I'll let you figure out why is it not a valid comparison.

Pharmfag here
You're joking right?
You're most likely going to end up in IM, where they're phasing out staff MDs in favor of cheaper PAs and NPs.
Enjoy having to live in the middle of nowhere.

Transgender servicepeople are a minority in the civilian population as they are in the military population and only 0.1% of them seek out treatment that could interfere with operations.

>it's basically impossible to stand out in this market. Everything you did will be one uped by chang
so it really is "wahhh I suck and people are better than me!" as I thought

git gud. if all you have to show after 6 month is time wasted and shitposts on Veeky Forums, it's your own fault

Hmm, yes, a few thousand trannies cost a tenth as much as providing anyone in the entire military who wants boner pills access to them, this is supposed to be a point in the trannies favor, yes please do tell me more.

If this was really about costs, you wouldn't be focusing on what amounts to a rounding error on the army's balance sheet.

You fucking retard
The market is saturated.
There's literally more supply for stem jobs than demand. If you DO manage to get a job it'll have shit job security and pay because pajeet is waiting outside for you to get fired, he's willing to sleep under the desk and work for some curry everyday.
You're not a special fucking snowflake, nothing you do can stand out in a job market like this.

It really is like I'm talking to a bot that's just scraping talking points from huffpo articles.

It's not too late at all if you actually wanted to. You can major in anything you only need to do certain classes. Mainly bio 1 and 2, Chem 1 and 2, o chem 1 and 2, Biochem 1 with some schools wanting a stats class and a English or two. They may start wanting a psychology class or a biostats class at some point but not yet.

You're delusional. Based on what? Almost every area is underserved in the States and there are plenty of high paying specialities that are desperately needed like neurology. No doctor is out looking for a job.

Transgenders in the military aren't a problem.

Damage control.

You sound obsessive and somewhat delusional. Reminds me of the way /r9k/ talks. I'd rather not go down that rabbit hole.

>Based on what? Almost every area is underserved in the States and there are plenty of high paying specialities that are desperately needed like neurology
Aw, is that what they told you at your white coat ceremony?
DO and MDs have merged residencies now. DO schools are a joke compared to MD schools, and they WILL outperform you on GPA and USMLE step 1. Meaning that getting into a speciality that got a whole lot fucking harder.
Most likely you will end up in an IM residency in the midwest, unless you came out of a top 5 MD school, in which case yes, you'll get to be in NYC or LA or wherever ever the fuck you want.
The "brain-drain" of rural areas doesn't exist any more. Most medical practitioners have realized that living in a rural area means more money towards their loan payments and in their pockets, they also get to work less hard.
This is especially true with specialties.

Denial is step one user.
I just hope you can run fast, tyrone the loan shark is pretty jacked

DOs are worth more days imho because it is a guarantee your doctor went to a school in the united States and not in a diploma mill in the Caribbean or mexico

I'm graduating without debt and won't be needing Jamal or Tyrone to lend me money.

Good for you, hope mommies money can support you until you find a barista job.
They really aren't. DO school is pathetic, especially the new schools.
Sure the curriculum looks like the standard that they need to follow for accreditation, but DO schools are way easier in terms of getting in and terms of class difficulty. Additionally, because of that first point it's much easier for a DO to stand out and have a 4.0, most of his peers are idiot psych majors who couldn't get into med school.
Carib schools don't even count anymore. There's just no place for them. DO students took up the few available spots that were reserved for IMGs.
This is going to get even worse with all these new DO schools popping up, while the # of residency programs stay the same.
Literally the same situation with pharmacy.I don't know who's out to destroy medicine in America but they're doing a hell of a good job.

my friend went to cal poly pomona had decent grades and he had a job before he even graduated.I think what really helped him was that he worked on an engine for a go kart at school.he works at fisker automotive

>Carib schools don't even count anymore.
People are still matching into the lower tier residencies in major coastal cities from Carib schools. I personally know two Indian girls who did this and they still managed to get residencies in Boston and nyc. Ridic.

> Aw, is that what they told you at your white coat ceremony?

No that's what literally everyone says if you simply Google job growth for any doctor speciality or the doctor shortage. For real life, my hometown has enough neurology patients to support 10 physicians but we only have two.

> DO and MDs have merged residencies now.

No their accredidation will merge in 2020 and who cares? This doesn't mean DO can apply for MD residencies because DOs could always get into our MD residencies. The effects of the merging remain cloudy but I have not heard a single person make the claims you have.

>They will out perform you

And why is this? Why would people with lower GPAs and MCATs on average be more like to score better on the Steps? Even if they do, they could again always apply for MD matching so that is not changing.

So basically you're talking out of your ass.

What kind of dumb cuck are you?

go to indeed

search 'engineer'

within 10 miles of however u want to travel

100s of jobs within 100 mile area added a week just apply and in the interview state that you dont need your hand held on the assignment.

90% of those job listings are 10 years of experience required or more, the average kid fresh out of gate with little experience or connections are necessarily locked out of those positions

protip: apply anyway.

>He actually thinks the postings on Indeed and Monster are real!
They're required to post those you idiot. They aint hiring shit

they post these jobs and then offer them for $32,000 a year so no American will take them and they're "forced" to hire an H1-B pajeet

I listen to a lot of am radio and they're constantly advertising high level engineering positions and they instruct people who are interested to mail their resumes with snail mail. Is this real life?

The residencies are merged starting 2016 you mong. That means Caribbean idiots have basically no hope anymore.
Stop trying to take examples from a few years ago and apply them today. Shit changed and it's still changing for the worse.
Corporations that own hospitals, clinics and pharmacies don't think we deserve 6 figure salaries.
Only step 1 counts and DO schools specifically gear their students to study for it, now that no one is going to take the COMLEX.

maybe because they were tired of being poo's and actually did something of value in those Carib schools?

Because false hope is going to pay your bills

But they were american born and raised and did mediocre in us undergrad.

Did is the keyword here
This kinda shit simply won't be happening anymore past 2016.
I don't even know why you would wanna do med school anyway
I'd rather deal with a shit job market as a pharmd and "only" have 120k in loans than have over 400k and work as a literal slave for a hospital.
Fuck being on-call.

Starting to transition meaning they won't be actually merging until 2020 you fucking dipshit. Again your entire point of DO taking over is bs cause again they could always apply. If anything this merger can mean that MD could apply to DO residencies too meaning MDs may have even more options than before. Stop spreading false information. You're being irrational why would MDs not be preparing students just as much for step 1? That's the whole fucking point of the first two years for everyone.

Overall the job is growing for all specialities around 14% and from these numbers it doesn't look like anyone is hurting to get into any specialities.

I'm not in med school nor am I shilling for it I'm just sharing some topical anecdotes. If Carib and Mexican schools are going to have a harder time getting residencies in the us it's obviously a good a thing in the long run.

>tfw in a top college that's being paid for by a grant scheme with monthly money for buses etc to college
>studying pharmacy and there's like 3 companies with one near my house opening right as I graduate

/comfy/ life right now fellas

>You're being irrational why would MDs not be preparing students just as much for step 1? That's the whole fucking point of the first two years for everyone.
They don't.
MD schools expect you to deal with Step 1 on your own, which is actually becoming harder and harder the more med schools get rid of formal class like harvard is.
Look at your own fucking table. There are US grads not getting matched. Even in the shit tier specialities like FM and peds.
The residency merger hurts MDs and benefits DOs you idiot. There are MUCH more MD residencies and the small amount of DO residencies was enough for them.
Meaning that all those new DO schools and the older ones that are expanding class sizes will have their excess grads (relative to the number of existing DO residences) take up MD spots, it won't be the other way around.

Basic level physicians like peds, IM and FM will no longer be making 6 figures, at least in densely populated areas. Have fun paying off that 400k loan on 80k a year.

And the job isn't growing. Pharms, PAs and NPs are all encroaching on the Primary care role, combine that with bigger classes sizes and new schools and you're going to have a major saturation problem, just like pharmacy is going through right now.

Even for the most expensive medical schools the average indeptness is rarely over 220k. Most are blow 200k and many are at 150k. And it's not like you have to work in the select specalities that require you to be on call.

PhD I'm guessing right, not Pharmd?
If it's the latter I hope you get a job early on and fucking stick to it, because PharmDs are gonna start taking industry jobs once retail completely closes off for them. There are already PharmD/PhD programs built specifically for that.

The only residency that wont have you working nights is probably psych, and fuck doing that.
You're forgetting the undergrad debt. Sure there's people who are on full rides but most aren't.
Most premeds are going to private schools because they offer much more resources than public schools do. I know this first hand, doing pre-med/pharm was hell for me at CUNY because I was basically on my own.
Schools NYU will basically hand you the research and clinical experience that you need you apply.

u in Astoria bro?

How does the merger hurt? Fucking how? It again isn't allow DOs to apply to shit they couldn't already apply to to or anything you fucking dolt. But now MDs can apply for even more residencies they couldn't before? How is that not good?

>Look at your own table

No shit not everyone is going to match. This includes everyone from MDs to DOs in the US. But the numbers are extremely close compared to literally any other job on the market in terms of people applying and jobs avaible. Let's look at Neurology again, only 10 didn't matched. I don't think you need to be in a top 5 residency to get into any of these specialities more like just don't be bottom tier.

>The job isn't growing, ignore all the experts and take my un sources claim.for it.

Serious end yourself. Stop being so bitchy about getting screwed over by pharmacy and stop talking about stuff you don't even know.

Yes, the very same experts who were calling pharmacy the best job ever with 14% job growth etc etc.
The BLS has pharmacy at 3% growth now.

Do you understand what it means to not match?
In a competitive environment like this you basically only get 1 year to apply, after that you're gonna get over looked.
That means you can't practice.
That means you have to pay off that med school loan with your shitty undergrad degre, god help you if it was bio or psych.
Just the fact that this is happening should worry you.
More and more american MD grads are not matching.
DOs could theoretically apply to MD residencies yes, but their odds were slim to non. An adcom would ALWAYS take the MD over the DO because they know how shit DO schools are; they legally won't be able to do that anymore.
Again, it's much easier to look good coming out of DO school.
I wasn't even looking at the top specialties because the people who don't match into those have a backup plan.
I was looking at the bottom feeder tier.
There are american medical graduates that can't become fucking pediatricians; despite the media memeing that primary care is understaffed and desperate for new doctors.

You should be fucking terrified at what's going on right now. I didn't even bring up how PAs will destroy the clinical market. Everyone and their mother is doing PA school now, and they WILL and already have brought salaries down.
Only engineers have it as bad as us, and the ones that aren't marketable in silicone valley/portland/seattle are straight fucked.
Nah brooklyn, I'm dorming for pharm school though

>not working for yourself in 2017
whats ur iq

I just started mechanical engineering degree and one of my professors said he will write a letter of recommendation for every one of us and he has family multiple family members working at Boeing.

>I just started
I hope his offer still stand in 4 years user, for your sake

I don't think your professor diluting the credibility of their recommendations is a good thing. People might soon realize their good word is cheap.

if he's writing a letter of recommendation for everyone he's writing a letter of recommendation for no one

I think he won't literally do it for everyone, he's got a PhD in physics and multiple bachelor's including one from Harvard. He worked at the department of defense for some time also. The people in my class are brainlets I think if I establish myself as the best student he would, with no doubt, write one for me.

Sorry for my grammar English is not my thing

idk what it's like in the real world but..

I'm studying maths at a liberal arts school that has a program where you study all the math here then transfer to another school to study engineering, and I have ~5 years real world experience that i've gained while also attending school, and I've made tons of contacts despite living in a place with a very small populace (in the US)

But who knows, I might have trouble once I graduate with an BSc Applied Math+EE/associates in physics degree.

Do actuarial science
Much better use of your math

definitely good advice, thank you

I have ~5 years in RF tech despite being in school still. I just checked out indeed at several places I'd like to setup camp in the US and all of them have plenty of options that I'm more than qualified for

idk what OP is talking about. sucks for him

I'm OP...
I suggested a non-engineering job for a reason
Unis in america are pumping engies out at a rate that the market can't handle

I can't fucking believe it lmao, everybody from my physics class got a job and probably 80% ended up working in their specializations with more than agreeable salary.

Is it really this fucking bad for US cucks? lol

Are you guys just memeing?
Why does the beige book report that employers are reporting they are having a hard time finding people to hire and they having to raise their wages to attract people and even recall people from retirement to fill shortages? (maybe they are just memeing for an excuse to get h1bs?)
Is this just some kind of demoralization thread?
Why is it that Veeky Forums usually strongly rebukes /pol/ but not this time?

>they are just memeing for an excuse to get h1bs?
You literally answered your own question right here. It's not that they are having a hard time finding people, they are having a hard time finding people that will work for a dogshit wage. Hence the h1bs.

If you're having problems getting hired you might just be shit.

t.Chemistry PhD

H1B abuse is easily the primary reason tech sector students cannot find jobs after uni. Companies simply aren't interested in hiring Americans when they can import slave labor from India.

That's exactly what they're doing.
Federal involvement in uni payments have created a business for schools.
Of course, it's the student's that carry the burden.
The avg engie wouldn't want 60-80k starting if he wasn't waist deep in loans.
>Chemistry cuck calling anyone shit
Enjoy teaching gen chem you fucking loser

Sure but that explanation requires so many moving parts like the way the beige book is constructed how would they all collude to lie to manipulate the report? I could see them lying individually but to make some grand conspiracy is harder. And also if it's them (with echos) then they hurt themselves because the report is used as input into their models for how they allocate their investment portfolios.