Communism

that's not communism. if it was you'd be getting paid the same as the janitors

every modern country is a mix of capitalism and socialism, as it should be. europe could use more capitalism and less socialism. USA could use less capitalism and more socialism. but it should always be a mix of both

Yeah, over a hundred years ago. Today we only have one Fields Medal winner despite our population.

But I thought you had a massive influx of doctors, scientists, and engineers to help enrich your population?

Oh, believe me, their women are getting very enriched.

In capitalism smart people get good jobs or become business persons avoid research or academia, very bad stereotype nerd to people want academia,communist research become great job, communist like be proud about research and avoid research people get in politics use research.

In Russia math school become insanity hardcore because want produce best research treat you as PhD in freshman year, capitalism want employs and people only get research education until grad school.

For example great scientific Russian create and write books to university, over shitty textbook from Pearson.

Is this pasta?

GL mah nigga considering this is a science board which ostensibly promotes critical thought most people on here have near 0 knowledge of political systems

As long as mathematicians are paid to do mathematics, it will be done. Politics has pretty much nothing to do with it. Insofar as communism had a tendency to alienate the most intelligent members of their society, it was harmful.

>The major drawback of capitalism is when there isn't some kind of need to develop technology it doesn't get developed.

Reminds me of this Milton Friedman quote:

“For one thing, there are many “inventions” that are not patentable. The “inventor” of the supermarket, for example, conferred great benefits on his fellowmen for which he could not charge them. Insofar as the same kind of ability is required for the one kind of invention as for the other, the existence of patents tends to divert activity to patentable inventions.”

>radical centrism
You are walking memes

At least centrist extremists are less cringe than right-wing and left-wing extremists

>less cringe
Because it's the most socially acceptable political belief and requires the least amount of independent thought possible. We all naturally have good reactions (ie "less cringe") to those who follow the herd.

>Behold, the most paid mathematician in history

Mathematics thrives in communist countries because all you need to do it is a pencil and some paper. All other sciences require expensive chemicals or experimental set-ups.

im not an extremist or a centrist. you are the meme

It's a ruskie attempting to speak English.

Yes, because the political extremes are dominated by intelligent, enlightened, rational people who never ever succumb to herd mentality, such as yourself. Explain to me again why you're so sure (((the Patriarchy))) is a negative influence on civilization as a whole.

>that's not communism. if it was you'd be getting paid the same as the janitors
Nigga, read Das Kapital

I've only read dank capital though

Cuba isn't communist, learn what words mean otherwise there is no point in using language at all.

Authoritarianism and worker culture is better than everything for producing mathematicians. Don't know about mathematics as a whole. Just as it is for producing any professional.

>Math acadamia is basically communism

Fucking witches. Theres a reason a single one of our Wizards was capable of eradicating 100's of yours. Let alone our Arch-Wizards.

Hierarchies vs Rings.
The cycle never ends.

Cylinders vs Pyramids.....

W-what if we combined the two?...
I-Into...
C-c-cones?

You sick fuck...

Guy from university with a shit ton of courses. They just repackage it and slightly alter the course. 70% of the modules are going to share "core" subjects. It's professors jerking off themselves trying to make the most miniscule differences a new subject because then they get to say "I'm an expert at X" or sometimes even "I pioneered the field of X"

>Not basing your system of government on a 5th dimensional capitalism system.

Plebian Capitalists like you should be exterminated.

I maked a thing :D

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!

THAT WAS NOT MEANT TO BE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>A spike that is a ring
>Not a spikey ring

JUST END YOURSELF

The capitalist class exploits the working class by keeping the "surplus value" produced by the working class
By reinvesting the "surplus value" the capitalist class increases its control of society
The working class is "alienated" because producer and product are separated
Private property is the result of the process of alienation, and viceversa
The working class is further alienated because the capitalists own the production system

The interest of capitalists is to maximize profits
Society is divided into two antagonistic classes: proletariat (workers) and bourgeoisie (owners of production)
The division of labor alienates workers from the product of their labors
Workers do not own the product of their work
Workers give more than they receive
Socialism: all citizens own the means of production
Just distribution of wealth and services
Human needs, not profits
Communism: full equality, class-less society

The economic system of a civilization (the way the civilization produces goods) determines the organization of its society
Society is organized in social classes that struggle for power
Hegel's dialectics must be applied to classes instead of nations
Hegel's idealistic dialectics recast as "materialistic" dialectics (historical/dialectic materialism)
The history of humanity is the history of class struggles

All nations go through five economic stages: slavery, feudalism, capitalism, socialism (collective ownership of property), communism (rule of the people)
The ultimate goal of history is a class-less society of peers (Hegelian synthesis = communism)
Society with government (as a separate institution) will evolve into communism
The working-class shall overthrow the capitalist class

capitards btfo

When you live in a shithole, you're willing to study anything in order to get out.

>The only capitalist aspects of math are people who write books and sell them, but they are a tiny tiny minority
Not true.
Look up James Simons.

>The major drawback of capitalism is when there isn't some kind of need to develop technology it doesn't get developed. Doing research and development requires someone to invest and investors generally want low risk and high return. Something like particle physics research is cool but if it doesn't appear have immediate, practical, and profitable applications it won't be funded.
In comunism there is only one narrow pipeline of fundind called the government. It can't compete with a free market when it comes to innovation.
Do you really think we would ipads and electric cars under comunism??

Are you literally retarded? He is a businessman. He made his money by being a businessman. He plays the stock market. That's it. What you just said is equivalent to saying

>Not true, see engineers.

>Now that the dust has settled, what is better for mathematics, capitalism or communism?
The issue is that in capitalism and communism, the way that mathematics works (on a funding level) is largely the same. In America, universities that are heavily subsidized by the state hire researchers to compete for (mostly) public grants to fund their research. Whereas in communist countries, state funded universities hire researchers to compete for public grants to fund their research. The American and Soviet systems have shown that these approaches can work effectively, the only issue is that the greater American public finance strategy allowed for greater longevity (and I hope continues to allow for greater longevity [plz don't default murrican gubmint]).

>pls don't default
Have you seen the debt?
HAVE YOU SEEN THE PRESIDENT?

No you morom, he is on record saying he started trading through his mathematical models, and he hires mathematicians physicists etc.
You are just coping because you lack the brain power to do something useful.

>he started trading
>now trading is mathematics

Thsi really makes me think

If you can't see the correlation i'm afraid no one can help you.

USA does not need more socialism.

We have a beauracratic nightmare for a government and one of the most progressive tax systems in the west.

Moreover, social democratic policies such as a high minimum wage and single payer have overwhelming evidence going against them.

>He uses mathematical models to trade, ergo he works as a mathematician
You know who else uses mathematical models? Engineers. Are they mathematicians now?

And yes, he is a mathematician but he left academia and made his money from business, not math. Stoo acting retarded. Mathematician is a word only applicable to full time researchers.

>Engineers. Are they mathematicians now?
many engineers are applied mathematicians

Please consider becoming an Applied Suicide Engineer.

>Please consider becoming an Applied Suicide Engineer.
brainlet

Communism. Those damn commies know how to do math education. Look at all the former soviet states, they kick ass at math

Yeah, there is just something about communism that makes you great at topology.

how did they produce glass flasks like that back then?

>capitalism or communism?

nice spook

The singular problem of equality for all is that not all are equal. Even Marx himself is culpable for taking his hard earned knowledge from privilaged libraries around the world.

While he saw himself as Prometheus however he brought no new fire to the people except for starvation under a beautiful illusion.

It is better to live the harsh reality and force it to be easy by learning over time.

The seed does not grow from the tree wide, but deep and high then wide. However the roots grow in hell first before touching the heavens.

Grass while uniform and equal...gets mowed down.

>economic systems are plants
Truly, the finest product of capitalist education

>he thinks there's capitalism anywhere in the world

>The upper class has succesfully convinced him that he doesn't live in their capitalist machine and that he has free will to act

Such Lumpenproletariat

Before anything, a free flow of currency is needed before capitalism.Now, can you point me a single UN-recognized state without a central bank? What we have now is fascism -- the collusion between corporate and state power.

You fool. Capitalism is a society with private ownership of the means of production.

Is there a property tax where you live? An income tax? You don't own anything sweetie, the government just lets you have some of it.

the USSRians thought western computers are magic. Much kgb involved in stealing. Did not work could not make hdd even then. got stuck on apple 2.

I don't own anything but "they" do. You do realize there are people above the government, right? They do own their property. Those central banks you talked about. Have a president that wants to take away from them (JFK) and he, the government, gets assasinated. That is how it works. That is capitalism. They own everything. It is their capitalist machine. And that is the problem with capitalism. It may feel nice to just work and get paid well and maybe you succeed, but as an axiom of capitalism you must accept you are below them. You can be succesful in their system, but you will never be them.

Oh, so it's capitalism if some very few people have it? Didn't know just because I shared a bathroom with my roommate it meant we lived under a communist country.

Reported
back to reddit, >>>/leftypol/

Try reading the post instead of just looking at the image next time, if your brainlet attention span allows for such things

You don't live in a communist country, you sleep in a communist room. To see this, tell your buddy you just bought the bed and now own it, and he has to sleep in the lower class bed: the floor.

That immediately creates a class based room in which you are upper class and he is lower class. Then make him work for you for the privilege of sleeping in the bed and voila, total capitalism.

That's what am saying -- there isn't capitalism if not everyone in that territory can truly own private property. It just seems that you have the need to call the current system capitalism for some reason, it isn't.I'm not a communist but I can recognize there was never true communism in the world.

>Five economic stages: Slavery, feudalism, capitalism, socialism, communism

Don't you mean 8?

Slavery, feudalism, capitalism, socialism, communism, slavery again, starvation, capitalism again

You fool. In capitalism the upper class take for granted that most people do not own anything. That is the point of capitalism! To have the least amount of peoplw owning things. That way the few who own things can have more.

You are reading the fake definition of capitalism made by them to trick you into thinking you have freedom. Please instead read Marx's definition of the capitalist mode of production. Marx was enlightened and saw right through the capitalist pigs deception.

You LARPed really well actually, didn't think you were baiting until this post.

>>>/l/eftypol

>Do you really think we would ipads and electric cars under comunism??
Maybe not that consumer nonsense, but we would be back to the moon and other planets several times, have a much better understanding of physics due to reactors and bigger science budget, and have developed fusion energy. More science of science's sake.

Oh i get it you thought you would have an easy time shilling for comunism and like any good leftist when their views are challenged, goes full retard.
If YOU develop a mathematical model that enebles you to make money YOU are effectively making money with math.
You pointed out he is no longer and academic but in the OP you said that the only capitalist aspect of math is selling books.
I just proved you wrong.

The thing is you don't need to stay in academia if you feel like you can get paid more in thw free market. All you need to do is take the risk of going rogue.
If you can't do that it's your damm problem and you are getting paid exactly what you are worth.

Ok, when you say consumet nonsense you are pbviously refering to the gadget, but you are not taking in consideration the millions of apps tjat improved healthcare, education, business, etc.
And the millions of developers that without a free market wouldn't have the funding or endorsement to make those apps.
Also, all the things that you mentioned are a product of arms race and competition and your thought experiment is purely speculative and contrarian to the examples of comunism we have today.

In a comunist world there is no competition therefore, hindered incentive. Basically the government is the sole arbiter for any idea or technology worth pursuing. If you can't see how inefficient that is, maybe this board isn't for you.

It's a pretty ancient method of glass working, though it probably was not contemporary to Pythagoras since it was more widespread during the time of the Roman Empire: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glassblowing

Why are there so many capitalist shills on this board?

>Why are there so many capitalist shills on this board?
because it works

Of course capitalism works for the capitalist shills. What about the rest of us? Those who aren't directly benefitting from it and are merely living inside it, surviving in it, struggling within it?

>Those who aren't directly benefitting from it and are merely living inside it, surviving in it, struggling within it?
just stop being lazy

Any good mind will eventually realise that material possesions do not lead to happyness, and not even to a good life. OP if you have:

1) Full health
2) Enough to eat
3) A roof over your head
4) Someone to trust in real life

you may consider yourself really fortunate.

Would you really want to be a rich man? Live a life of pic related? NO struggles, NO working whatsoever, brainless consumerism, brainless sl**s only in it for the money?

Don't be fooled, there are two ways to join this lifestyle, crime or inheritance. But if you really, really wanted this life, could find ways to emulate, with actually having much much less. Remember, wherever we're going, no riches will follow us.

Here's the pic

>its tru guise, being rich sucks!
COPE

> user, how can I struggle with my poverty
> DON'T BE FUCCKING LAZZY111
/pol/fags never change.

Here in Brazil we get a lot of Cuban doctors. They live on subhuman conditions and have to send most of their salaries back to Cuba while they are completely useless, they don't know shit, it made our public health system even worse. The only reason they are here is because our current government is communistic and wants to support Cuba's and Venezuela's dictatorship.

Remember that the most ruthless capitalists always advocate communism

This

As long as bigotry and racism exist we cannot ignore it

if you're struggling with poverty so much you shouldn't be wasting your time on Veeky Forums

You think anyone on this board has read any Marx or leftist literature in general (outside of Orwell)?

>Workers owning the means of production inherently means big government and high taxes on the working class
God damn Americans have been brainwashed. I'm interested at what "overwhelming evidence" you have from people who still think trickle down works

Internet culture attracts echo chambers, since this website is contrarian to normies it had to be right wing. That, and the majority of this website is American, where capitalism is shilled to them from birth (t. Americlap)