Will videogames kill literature?

will videogames kill literature?
it's like generation after generation the appeal of literature as a storytelling medium is weakened
why would a 15 year old kid pick a book instead of watching a movie or playing the new Kojima game?

why would a 15 year old pick movies or video games when they can post dank memes on facebook and twitter and watch porn?

The general population has never been focused on cutting edge literature. While all the Enlightenment thinkers where devising secular political positions and reinventing mathematics the educated middle class where reading Christian ecumenical works and writing letters to each other.

Literature is by nature esoteric

Convince me not to blow 400 bucks on a PS4 and buy books instead.

Books don't have planned obsolescence.

I'm talking about literature as a whole not the avant-garde. what place does it have in a society that has so many way more attractive technologies and mediums at their disposal to tell stories?

>buying books

Why?

Because they are verbose, poor, sickly, and desperate for escapism.

That's how it worked for me anyway, I wanted vidya but couldn't afford them.

Read about the game play, read about the story, read about the characters, discover entire stories exist with similar themes but no buttons or graphics, these stories are cheap, even free and enlightening.

I won't.

Dubs all around.

Literacy was still a skill possessed by a small group of people. Within that group of people, the majority did what the time period's equivalent of texting and reading accessible works with stories they grew up around. Literature will exist as it always has: mostly shit with a select few pushing the boundaries and a small group of people appreciating the work.

videogames already killed my literary aptitude

Of course it's fun for people on Veeky Forums to shit on contemporary literature, but literature survived film, television, and comic books cutting in on the market of time people have to do things. Why should video games by any different?

This is in the easy argument to make because I did this very thing today 5 hours ago.

There is a sale on PS4s that ends today. You can get it bundled with Uncharted for $250.

BUT if you buy a $5.00 book instead you can eat a tendies meal every day for a month.....there was never truly a choice.

>will videogames kill literature?
no- videogames have been around for a while now, and they've been really mainstream since about 98. Think about how fast DVD killed VHS. I know it's not the same, but the point is, the nature of our consumption changes- that doesn't imply the death of a medium. Videogames offer something books can't, and books offer something videogames can't.

>books offer something videogames can't.
they really don't

you're reading the wrong kind of books.

you're playing the wrong kind of video games.

Yeah, probably. I just play handheld rpgs. I'm not saying videogames don't have merit, but there's a reason novelizations are a thing.

As a man who played videogames for 15 years almost daily, I regret 99% of time spent on it

this

You should def play Overwatch

That's why he should buy the ps4 while it's still relevant

This picture will never not trigger me

Stop trying to make me angry, it's working

I'm making a big skyrim mod right now, really focusing on the story, characters and themes and using gameplay to tell the story. I think video games is just a different medium it well not replace literature but can take ideas from it and use it with the strengths of the medium. It's exactly what film did with literature and conventional art

Has there ever been a vidya game controller that was not designed for literal children? Just looking at those plastic crampsticks makes my hands sore.

>it's like generation after generation the appeal of literature as a storytelling medium is weakened
It really is "like" the appeal is weakened. In reality the books' audience has been gradually increasing since the invention of writing. Prose writers only really started living off their writing alone in the 19th century. Today the situation is absurd, Harry Potter, ASOIAF, 50 Shades and Twilight are devoured by countless readers across the globe. JK Rowling was the first billionaire writer. Do you know greek and want to make a safe investment? Translate Homer, and your new translations will fly off the shelves. Do you lack literary talent but can churn shit out quickly? Self-publish some erotica. Etc...

How fucking delusional you are, pham? There is like a 100 writers in the world right now who make a living with their writing alone

too bad the gameplay in Spec Ops: The Line was generic shit, nullifying the impact of its entire pretentious "hurr you have to make difficult decisions in war, innocent people die!!" message, which it doesn't even really take that far.

they won't, the two mediums can co-exist, I read and play video games almost equally.

As I recall there were several options in spec ops to stop and desist with the war, but they were axed because it would literally just end the game and fuck everything up, which shows a limitation in the medium itself

You are a lost case and i don't speak to living corpses.

>why would a 15-year-old kid pick a book instead of watching a movie or playing the new Kojima game?

I doubt they will and I wouldn't expect them too because I certainly didn't. But when that kid is 25, maybe he'll realise the novelty of a Kojima game has worn off and get into reading. Therefore Kojima will have served his one and only purpose as an entry-point into fiction.

Because unfortunately the newest generation of consoles sucks. There are fewer mid-tier developers making original titles and fewer chances of the juggernauts opting not to just release a sequels/prequels because they have all the data now and know what sells.

If you want to buy a console, buy a PS3. Boring because it's not new, sure, but the library is much better than anything PS4 will ever achieve.

I regret playing so many video game as a teenager. I read a ton when I was in middle school, it kills me to imagine how well-read I would be now if I had kept reading and not discovered video games and become addicted to them.

Thankfully, I am easing myself back into reading now, and as I have entered my 20s I have drastically cut back on video games. I'm talking going from like five hours a day to jusy a couple hours a week. It's a good improvement I think.

I don't know if you're trying to trigger but one major thing books provide that video-games don't is an external voice. Games are wicked cool but they're inherently narcissist and ego-driven when you think about it. They require you to insert yourself into the text and define everything that happens through your lens. The power of that is individual narratives but the weakness is a lack of a strong critical voice.

Is that because you find books more enjoyable than games?

I personally struggle to play games these days so it's not a choice. Everything feels old and like I've played it in some way before. There's still a great sense of enjoyment that comes from playing something original (whenever one comes out) but absolutely none that comes from playing anything derivative or genre-driven.

>will videogames kill literature?

No, because videos games as a storytelling medium rely on gameplay in order to tell a good story. A good story of itself itself is inherent to literature.

If your definition of a medium 'being alive' is 15 year old using it en masse, then literature was never alive

>having regrets
you're never going to make it

I am finding books to be a lot more rewarding than games.

A video game is great for a quick burst of fun here and there, mostly mindless, but a book is something you can kind of get more out of, if that makes any sense. I mean obviously storytelling with books is better, for one.

Personally I think video games are a great aesthetic(especially colours) introduction. Only if you go actually move on towards better things latter on.

are you sure? what is poetry then? certainly poetry doesn't need a good story.

i could argue instead that good prose and wordplay is inherent to (good) literature. good prose doesn't seem any more "valuable" to me than good gameplay (which essentially means a good user interface for the software).

This is a great post, and an adequate argument against the "literature is dead" faggots who fill this shithole.

what are some red pilled vidya games I can play to still be Veeky Forums?

nigga buy the ps4 and then just get a library card or a used kindle for 20$ to pirate books on. Seriously a no brainer.

There are barely any good games yet. The medium needs more time.

Verse and prose are different mediums within "literature"

Furthermore, I have never, ever been impressed by the writing in any videogame. Even the best in vidya writing, basically the item descriptions in souls games or the isometric rpgs from black isle, are roughly equivalent to non-literary genre fiction. The best ever, the philosophical bits of planescape, are extremely derivative.

I think you are asking for two different things. Being "redpilled" just means youve picked a side in passing culture wars and are susceptible to tribalism.

But if you want videogames that succeed within their medium, tend towards games with less spoken, and more shone. The storytelling should be through gameplay and visuals, not reliant on mediocre writing by a panel overseen by a corporate suit, or worse, an idealistic indie studio owner.

So yes, stuff like Souls Games, adventure games, where the genre itself doesnt limit storytelling to reusing cinematic or literary stylings.

>red-pilled games
Buy For Honour™, the Alt-Right™ certfied Red-Pilled™ vidya. The characters say Deus Vult™, proved to Trigger™ all SJWs™ within ear shot.

but seriously memes aside you can be Veeky Forums and play vidya. It is harder to be Veeky Forums and be a reactionary though, so maybe lose the /pol/ memes.

It's really dependent on your approach. Feel like numbing yourself with generic FPS? Go for it, at least you're engaging more than just a background ambient 'kek' born of hours of scrolling social media or Veeky Forums or its ilk

I only play multiplayer games with a group of friends, so even that's mostly devoted to banter and discussing life's goings on with vidja talk intermixed between

Then again, there are some genuinely 'literary' games I've played, or at least, that make you consider something beyond mechanical function, some RTS's (though admittedly most world building would be supplied by 10 year old me practically LARPing), some RPG's of similar approach. i try to think of it as basic mythos which i can utilize to philosophize or challenge. doesn't always work but if it doesn't i'll usually only play for a few hours and do something productive later.

some of the writing in KOTR ii really resounded with me, it was just so properly set in its atmosphere but with odd echoes of intangibles i'd already found issue with justice/thought/action in star wars. that sounds fucking autistic but i do agree with the derivative aspect, though that could apply to any medium.

>will radio kill literature?
>will comics kill literature?
>will cinema kill literature?
>will television kill literature?
>will internet kill literature?

>Will Oculus rift sex peripherals mixed with direct brain interface tools kill literature?
>Will direct cerebral downloads kill literature?

>Furthermore, I have never, ever been impressed by the writing in any videogame.
Besides Planescape, Pathologic is amazingly well-written. Sadly, it's style of prose draws of soviet terminology a lot, and it's basically untranslatable to english.

Eventually we will reach full circle and start writing literature in our new virtual simulation.

>Computer, is literature still relevant?
>"There's is yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer"

> i can't maintain a healthy balance of entertainment and intellectual development.

Planescape writing was trash written by the 90s equivalent of redditors after the ninth reading of hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy

cinema is damn close to literature in terms of quality tho. Video games not so much

No. You're supposed to play video games, not read them.

If Literature as a medium isn't delivering, maybe Literature needs some improvement. So much literature nowadays is upper middle-class, post-college white guy navel-gazing angst. You only need to read this kind of book once, but it's been written over and over again in recent years. Who fucking cares?

Because they are edgy underage shits that browse Veeky Forums?

is FF VII Veeky Forums? Is Underage Veeky Forums? Is Bully Veeky Forums?

this is why I had to quit gaming - i was having panic attacks of realization of my life wasting away

You should play this one. It's really interesting and well-written.

Underrated reply

Videogames will kill pulp
Videogames will kill comicbooks
Videogames will kill blockbuster movies
Videogames are no threat to enduring works like literature

I also unironically enjoyed 80 Days and Device 6. The best video games are the ones with a lot of text.

Roguelikes is the only Veeky Forums vidya genre, if your games has graphics fuck off to reddit

only if video games really kick up their story-telling ability and pair it with PROPERLY implemented visual segments. as it is, it tends to be games with average storylines and terrible graphics or games with horrible storylines and amazing graphics.
while by no means comparable to the impact that the medium of entire well-crafted books can have on someone, i thought bioshock 1/2(can't remember which) was pretty good, along with fallout 3/NV if you played it in story-driven manner without grinding.
i really think VR will bring the experience to another level. but i can't see how it will be in competition with books it's a different medium.
in regards to how video killed the radio star (visual stimulation destroying our own ability to visualize) and how radio/telephones killed whatever we required before, it's going to keep happening. and i think the solution is to remind ourselves to actively act on reinvigorating our capabilities to use our creative minds.

Killer7 is literature kino video game

>He doesn't play video games AND read literature

Fucking plebs, all of you, I swear.

i remember a guy who probably gamed about a year before and was telling me about gaming is escapist while actively reading (was in a flat with a bunch of humans/arts kids so it was cool) and i was too inept to bring up how books are just as if not more escapist. fuck that pretentious cunt.

I do but as I said in another thread, there are only about three games released each year actually worth playing. Last year it was Inside, Quadrilateral Cowboy and The Last Guardian.

ps4 has no games
its a shitty console that will be quickly obsolete, they already had to upgrade it

get a pc

>STILL mad about bloodborne
NEVER
EVER

I liked spec ops and this still makes me angry

That's several years worth of books.

How long will your vidya machine last?

Honestly it all depends on how much utility you get out of either books or vidya games.

Honestly, I don't think video games are a medium that will stand the test of time.

Will they exist one hundred years from now?

Who knows?

harrison ford was pretty recognizable in apocalypse now i thought

Who'd he play?

Bloodborne's so FUCKING good
I bought a PS4 on ebay just to play it
I do not regret the purchase

most games have the depth and story telling of a michael bay movie lmao

wasn't he like a photojournalist or something? think he got destroyed by some bombs

some cuck with glasses working in a office

I like practically all forms of media

Literature, television, film, music and video games all can tell good stories or be rewarding in one way or another.

I've played games my whole life and only now am starting to slow down my obsession and move it towards literature. But I make time for both.

The unrecognizable one was Laurence Fishburne aka Morphius

>Average Pynchon reader

How will they not? In a hundred years the technology would be mindboggling, I'd wager extreme sports would pale compared to a romp in Call of Duty 500. Content creation might even become standardized and assisted, so a introspective artist type could make a impressive title on his own (discounting the AI development system) without spending his entire life.

Hopefully nuclear apocalypse occurs before then

edgy

Say that to me during the zombie epidemic and then see what happens kid, I wouldn't have these flimsy "laws" holding me back then

hey, i was thinking about planned obsolescence the other day. where'd you hear about it to enter into conversation? i was thinking about it as well as inherent vice, which is funny because the guy that responds to you says you read pynchon, and he wrote a book called inherent vice dontcha know, which apparently is a vague reference to a scene in the recognitions. but i'll stop there, and reiterate, where did the term planned obsolescence come into your more current vocabulary?

*vibrates through the floor behind you*