So uh, I heard you guys are like the really clever guys from this cesspool

If one's position is that exploiting one's parents is a moral good, as furthering egoist ends ala ethical egoism, then there's no point in bothering to have a discussion to such a person.

Same goes for those who don't think anything normative exists or is lacking in motivational force (e.g. someone with a deficient Will-to-Power is hopeless already).

With that said, there are arguments that don't rely on any conception of duty or anything 'spooky':

P1: OP loves his parents, to see them flourish gives him pleasure.
P2: If his parents fall into destitute poverty, OP will suffer.
C: If OP doesn't wish to suffer, he ought to have a financial backup for them.

Or, to put it in emotivist terms, "Boo seeing my parents on the street starving!"

OP here, this guy is not me
No, but I sure agree with ^ in the sense that I dont think I owe anything to anyone
So... I should just stay NEET then?

>unironically prependings premises and conclusions with p and c

I bet you love to show off the fact you read catcher in the rye too

>So... I should just stay NEET then?

If you already accept "living as a NEET is maximizing my pleasure and is morally permissible," then I don't see how I could possibly persuade you otherwise outside of persuasive rhetorical power, but that's not really an argument.

>I dont think I owe anything to anyone
Do you not ever think about how your life would be different if your parents were like many and neglected/abused/abandoned you? You don't think you owe your parents a thing? Will you be perfectly content with them living out their old age in nursing homes?

Read Old Man and the Sea. Then tell me how it is that you are a man, yet you've no scars of life. How can you justify your existence if you yourself refuse to live?

Unless the parents have planned really well, living on a retirement income is not easy. Additionally, old people can get medical issues that totally wipe out all retirement savings.

Even if OP doesn't want to support his parents, they're going to die at some point. The support will be gone leaving OP old and skillless, looking for an entry level job.

And what happens after they die?
What you propose is weird, is like if I should be the actual parent, sacrificing my life to make them happy
They are not poor, they will not die of hunger and they dont need extra money, McDonalds salary isnt enough to feed 3 people anyways

I think I will end up getting a job anyways, so when if for some reason I get out of this "not giving a fuck about anything phase" and feel like doing something with my life I have some money to finance that "something"

>I think I will end up getting a job anyways, so when if for some reason I get out of this "not giving a fuck about anything phase" and feel like doing something with my life I have some money to finance that "something"

Then there you go, thread done. Congrats.

>living as a NEET is maximizing my pleasure
I think I could probably be getting more pleasure but I dont know how (without drugs)
Everything is just a pain in the ass and not really worth it
For example, I dont understand why people write books, you get nothing for doing it, I only write when I'm on some really weird and irrational mood
>Do you not ever think about how your life would be different if your parents were like many and neglected/abused/abandoned you?
I guess it would be a lot worse, but I can't really know it, so I think this is irrelevant
>You don't think you owe your parents a thing?
What do I owe them?
>Will you be perfectly content with them living out their old age in nursing homes?
Would I be perfectly content with them living out their old age in [whatever is better than an nursing home, in your opinion]
I read that book in HS and it really wasnt anything special
>Then tell me how it is that you are a man, yet you've no scars of life
Why should I care about being a man?
>How can you justify your existence if you yourself refuse to live?
Why would I want to justify it? I fail to care

So, Camus was right?
Veeky Forums should apologize for calling him a meme philosopher

It doesnt really answer my question desu
But I know this is probably a pain in the ass for you guys
I think NEETdom is an interesting phenomenon, are there any books or essays on it?

>tfw op think we're all nothing but a bunch of broke NEETS

The fact that here you are seeking out such an answer is the most significant proof there is. You know what is right and what is wrong, you are merely prevaricating, debasing yourself in idleness while hoping to find some external source of conviction for the up-climbing before you. No-one can carry you up the mountain, it must be conquered by you alone.

Using the monopoly of violence that is government to steal property from others on your behalf is wrong

Here's the truth of it OP, you're a boring normie and have little to no motivation. Accept that, try and get whatever shit job you can and keep being miserable.

You may have the job for a couple of months but you may need the experience in case anything changes in your life, ie parents etc.

Why, others would do it too if they could, fuck them

You have two options:

1) Read the books on this list
or
2) Die in the libertarian revolution as the rat you are

>implying I implied that I'm not a boring normie with no motivation

>Accept that, try and get whatever shit job you can and keep being miserable
That doesnt follow
is this the kind of "persuasive rhetorical power" was talking about?

>implying a bunch of fat retarded rednecks could sustain a revolution
Why do people keep beliving in political ideologies? Why do you like to be the puppet of some rich autist who thinks his model will somehow not make everything worse?

>It doesnt really answer my question desu
Sure it does. You should stop being a NEET and start 'developing' yourself in a manner promoted by contemporary capitalist ideology (e.g. job skills, work history, education) so later in life when you change your mind you will already have the means to accomplish whatever goal you'll decide on then.

Unless, of course, your family has enough money for you to be a NEET forever or you plan on kill yourself once the gravy train stop. Then, again, there is no persuading you.

That's one of my fav paintings btw

There are not two options: normal programmed society person V shut in on welfare.
Not sure how you got that impression.

Having a job is a necessity. Unless your parents are one of those one in a thousand parents who really let you do your thing and allow you to live there. Which I doubt. Or if you plan to "Into The Wild" it. Which I also doubt.

Nothing good can ever come from staying with normal people. ~Toonami bump

I'm sure at some point in your life you thought to yourself "It would be pretty cool if I could do [insert creative activity here]." Well just do that, with all of your free time. And work a job. You don't have to have a "social life." That is a waste of time nowadays. You're not going to have any enlightening conversations with interesting people. Just do your thing, alone, and keep at it, for 10 years.

sounds good

do what thou wilt, op

lel parasite virgin loser xP

>tfw I read this book as a kid

This is what a last man looks like.

Are you the overman?

Being a neet doesn't make people happy. I think you know that. Do you want to have (more?)sex before you die? Do you want interesting friends? Travel someplace? It's not effortless... but I think you might find making an effort isn't as bad as you think.

It's up to you to choose to live a happier life. No argument can make you. Neets are bored, depressed, unfulfilled and adrift in life if your own experience of that doesn't convince you to change... than maybe you haven't been neet long enough to reach that point , or maybe are some special person who being a neet is satisfying for.

No, but I'm not the last man.

you'll hate yourself, user. working is a natural prerogative. We need something to do that makes us feel like we're being productive.

Jobless people get depression, this is a fact. That's why (depending on where you are) there are programs to keep jobless people occupied.

Those who can compare both options will just tell you which one brought them more pleasure.

Then what are you?

Ok I guess I will become a writer, just let this thread die now

It depends on how you define "NEET."

If being a "NEET" allows being an autodidact, i.e. training yourself outside of prearranged lesson plans, I would say there's nothing necessarily "wrong" with it.

If being a "NEET" means sitting around masturbating to drawn tentacle porn all day, you'll probably live a pretty depressed life.

Isn't OP leeching off his parents, not welfare? Or do NEETs get both

I like On Modern Moral Philosophy by Anscombe where she talk about the allied bombing campaign. She says that there is a difference between bombing a military target, such as an industrial sector of a city, that can result in civilian death, than intentionally trying to kill innocent civilians, even if both raids result in the same number of deaths.
The point she is getting at is that terms like murderer are descriptive of action, so regardless of the intention, or of the consequences the people who ordered the bombings solely aimed at killing civilians are murderers, whether or not you approve of what they did.

This applies to your and your desire to be a NEET.
You haven't expressed why you are a NEET, only that it is voluntary, so I have a little bit more work to do on my end.
You aren't opposed to work on any particularly strong grounds as is evidence by your saying you will probably get a job when your parents die/become unable to support you. So therefore you can work, have no real grounds not to, but are willing to lie to your parents (say you are looking for work), exploit their familial kindness to have them look after you (the word exploit is used because of the deception involved) while you are unable to look after yourself, all the while you are intentionally making life worse for your parents, thus showing that through actions you believe that you are a more important person than your parents. If we break down this different points at use words to describe you we get
>Lazy and selfish
By making your parents life worse so you don't have to work when there is no reason why you shouldn't.
>A liar
Pretty self explanatory.
>Self important
Again explained pretty clearly.

So by doing what you do, regardless of how you think of yourself (because remember we are only using this words descriptively, not as moral statements) you are a self important, lazy, selfish and lying person. You are choosing to be this person.

>using all tools at your disposal is wrong

Stay spooked my property

>You don't have to have a "social life." That is a waste of time nowadays

Depends on your mental state IMO. Having no friends isn't very healthy especially if you're prone to depression

Wow I think you might be right. Say more things about this?