I have 300$ and I wan to try a super combo wombo for health & cognition.
I plan on buying
>Selegiline >SAM-E >MK677 >NSI-189 >Tianeptine >Magnesium >Vitamin D >Vitamin B >Choline >Melatonin What would you add or remove? Anyone tried mixing all of these together?
NSI-189 is still in research, and SAM-E is more speculation at this point. But to call the mayority of those compounds pseudoscience as if they were homeopathy meds, is fucking silly. .
Hudson Sanchez
You can overdose on anything retard, doesn't mean it'll do you any good in smaller amounts.
Eli Myers
>Taking a Parkinson's med when you don't have Parkinson's is pseudoscience Yes.
>A comment on reddit is pseudoscience Yes.
>Taking an antidepressant when you are not diagnosed with depression is pseudscience Yes.
>Taking an insomnia med when you don't have insomnia is pseudoscience Yes.
>Taking a dementia med when you don't have dementia is pseudoscience Yes.
>Taking a testosterone med when you don't have testosterone deficiency is pseudoscience Yes.
>Taking a neurological med when you don't have a neurological disease is pseudoscience Yes.
>Taking an anxiety med when aren't diagnosed with anxiety is pseudoscience Yes.
LITERALLY the same fucking fallacy over and over again. Is that you Linus Pauling?
Bentley Rodriguez
>>Taking a Parkinson's med when you don't have Parkinson's is pseudoscience >Yes.
Oh sure, because we all know increasing dopamine on healthy people don't let to better productivity attention and motivation. Such a fucking fallacy.
Camden Perez
t. no education
Ryan Jenkins
>Oh sure, because we all know increasing dopamine on healthy people don't let to better productivity attention and motivation. Uh, no. We don't. That's like saying we all know dopamine makes you addicted to things, therefore Selegiline will make your personality more addictive. More retarded popsci pseudoscience please, you are just proving my point with every post.
Landon Turner
>Implying must people are completely healthy >Implying most of the western civilization is not deficient in vitamin D and Magnesium >Implying Choline hasn't shown to improve cognitive performance on healthy individuals, at the same time it wards off against future cognitive decline and dementia >Implying higher dopamine levels do not increase motivation and focus on healthy individuals >Implying higher growth hormone level does not lead to better sleep, weight loss, better skin and faster injury recovery on healthy people Wew
Liam Myers
>Uh, no. We don't. That's like saying we all know dopamine makes you addicted to things, therefore Selegiline will make your personality more addictive
Which is true.
Landon Wright
Parkison meds tend to make patients suddenly discovery a hidden artistic side, or develop an addiction to re-creative gaming. So yeah, hardly ''retarded popsci psudocience''.
>Implying must people are completely healthy I'm so sorry you can't read. Maybe you do need a neurological med.
>Implying most of the western civilization is not deficient in vitamin D and Magnesium Did I not just say that vitamins are useless UNLESS you are deficient? You really are illiterate.
>Implying higher dopamine levels do not increase motivation and focus on healthy individuals >Implying higher growth hormone level does not lead to better sleep, weight loss, better skin and faster injury recovery on healthy people Proof?
>Which is true. It's not. Brain chemistry is much more complicated than that.
Gavin Rodriguez
>Parkison meds tend to make patients Good luck with your Parkinson's then.
Parker Peterson
>>Which is true. >It's not. Brain chemistry is much more complicated than that.
Proof? How do you reach that conclusion if trials show dopamine increasing drugs to make patients become more addictive, impulsive and creative? Which is literally what everyone fucking reports when they take other dopamine increasing drugs like meth or cocaine.
>>Implying higher dopamine levels do not increase motivation and focus on healthy individuals >Implying higher growth hormone level does not lead to better sleep, weight loss, better skin and >faster injury recovery on healthy people >Proof?
>if trials show dopamine increasing drugs to make patients become more addictive, impulsive and creative >patients You just can't stop doing it can you?
Easton Ross
There's no research on the effects of Selegiline on healthy people, obviously. But we know dopamine increasing compounds work on healthy young adults perfectly fine to increase motivation and focus.
It is to be expected Selegiline would affect normal people the same way too, which I am willing to try on myself.
Keep acting like a spastic.
Jose Walker
Chad is that you?
Caleb Robinson
>>sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/12/031204074202.htm >The study is apt to provide impetus for high-end clinics and spas already offering growth hormone injections to "treat" old age, but Costa is cautious about drawing any conclusions from his research about the merits of the therapy. >"Our liver regeneration studies tell us a great deal about how growth hormone works at a molecular level, but the injections occurred only over short periods of time, giving us no information about any long-term consequences," Costa said. >While several studies have shown that prolonged growth hormone therapy has dangerous side effects ranging from diabetes to carpal tunnel syndrome, Costa believes that short-term treatment with growth hormone could be used to speed repair after injuries or surgery in the elderly, shortening recovery time. How does this help your argument?
>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23568653 >During aging, there is a pronounced decline in the total amount of slow-wave sleep (SWS), which coincides with reduced activity of the somatotropic axis.2 This is a likely contributor to age-related memory deficits, as SWS is critical for the formation of long-term memories.3 It has also been demonstrated that pharmacologic increases in SWS preserve sustained attention and reaction time in humans, implicating it in cognitive functioning more broadly.4 These findings suggest that sleep loss, especially SWS loss, may contribute to age-related cognitive decline. As exogenous GHRH is known to stimulate sleep (especially SWS5), it seems plausible that the favorable effects on cognition in response to GHRH observed by Baker and colleagues stemmed from improved sleep architecture. Using the Pittsburgh Sleep Quality Index,6 which is a comprehensive self-report measure of sleep quality and impairment, the authors did not find improvements in self-reported sleep quality in response to their intervention. However, as no objective measure of sleep was administered (eg, polysomnography), it cannot be ruled out that the beneficial effects of GHRH on cognitive functions in cognitively healthy and cognitively impaired older subjects were mediated by changes in sleep architecture. This is a comment on a paper saying that the authors found no evidence for the proposed mechanism that GH improves congitive function by improving sleep. Did you post the first three results you found on google? Try reading next time.
Colton Cook
>Growth hormone >Literally pop-sci pseudoscience
>Says this dude as the bodybuilders inject 12ui day for maximum mass lean gass, fat loss, improved sleep and awesome skin. On top of bigger fingers, cranium, guts and pretty much everything else. Yeah dude, HGH IS FUCKING HOCUS POCUS. GYPSY MAGIC, MAH D00DS.
Oliver Long
>It is to be expected Selegiline would affect normal people the same way too, which I am willing to try on myself. So you're a chump who will buy overpriced snake oil because MUH INTUITION.
Noah Ortiz
I never claimed Growth hormone increased cognitive function :^).
Try reading next time.
John Wood
>Asks for proof >Posts non-proof >W-WELL IT'S NOT MAGIC MUH DOOD Yup, you lost.
>I never claimed Growth hormone increased cognitive function :^). I didn't say you did, I said your source doesn't do shit to support your argument. Again, learn how to read.
Juan Allen
I don't think you understand what snake oil. No one is fucking selling me Selegiline over the country while claiming to have magical effects, I am literally having to buy it without a prescription for my own research and experimentation. Next you're going to say Da joos are behind it all.
David Long
>No one is fucking selling me Selegiline over the country while claiming to have magical effects, I am literally having to buy it without a prescription for my own research That's how snake oil generally works moron. If it was prescribed by a doctor it would actually work. Why do you think vitamins are so popular?
Samuel Scott
>I didn't say you did, I said your source doesn't do shit to support your argument. Again, learn how to read.
I claimed growth hormone leads to fat loss, lean mass gain and improved recovery from injury, which the paper you memearrow'd shows.
Noah Gonzalez
But Selegiline is literally prescribed by a doctor, you fucking spastic schizo. It's approved by the FDA for Parkinsons, depression and ADHD.
Landon Lee
>I claimed growth hormone leads to fat loss, lean mass gain and improved recovery from injury, which the paper you memearrow'd shows. No, it does not. Again, you posted a comment on a paper that talks about failing to find evidence it improves sleep. I'm sorry you don't understand how to source from scientific journals. Maybe if you did you would not be wasting time on this nootropic nonsense.
Carter Cook
Prescribed as medicine for diseases, you fucking moron. Not as a nootropic. That's what I've been pointing out all along. Fuck, you're dumb. I'm out. There is something wrong with your brain that does not allow you to parse simple sentences.
Oliver Wood
Yes, please go out of this thread into the real world. Where healthy young adults take drugs that increase dopamine and choline for the effects of motivation, stress resistance, focus and memory improvements it has. (on top of being physically addictive). It's like I am talking to a fucking alien.
Jacob Young
>hey sci if i buy all dese placebo bills will it make me smarter?
just use meth you little pussy
Ryan Anderson
Becoming smarter was never my plan.
Camden Sullivan
Tell me about Meth, do you take it? Dosages? Cycle? How do you deal with side effects?
Cost?
Wyatt Roberts
Ditch all of that and buy some peptides. GHRP6 and CJC1295.
Nathaniel Fisher
I think I'll just buy coke and a sex escort
Joseph Walker
the subject whether its worth buying all that is outsides anyones knowledge. if you're smart just buy healthy local and organic food. that shit cant fail ujavascript:;
Camden Walker
Does Organic food really make a difference?
Jack Williams
Remove the tianeptine. You really shouldn't be taking that, unless you absolutely known what you're doing, which you sound like you don't.
Asher Clark
I've heard it's addictive, is it true?
Connor Hughes
No, he's a moron. Organic refers to environmental practices [which barely make a difference if at all] and has nothing to do with the nutrition or quality of the product
Henry Cruz
Okay, good to know because organic food is expensive as fuck.
Xavier Mitchell
This whole tread is fucking retarded. You DO NOT need to take vitamins if you're not deficient. Hypervitaminosis of different vitamins is a thing. If you're diagnosed as being deficient then take the prescribed vitamin. After reading your posts op I think the only thing you're deficient in is IQ points, I'm not even kidding I know a sub 90 IQ person who just like you spends all his money on vitamin supplemens. Seriously though when I first met him he wasn't even that retarded but now a year later it just seems like his brain has degenerated. He's doesn't use mobile phones because the screen will cause retinal cancer and he refuses to go out and play any sport because playing under the sun causes cancer. I hope you now realise how retarded you sound, you need to see a psychologist more than you need these vitamins.
t.medfag whose whole family is full of doctors
Matthew Mitchell
Thanks for the hearty laugh, drama queen.
Eli Lee
How about studying and following a healthy diet instead? Oh right, that's too much work. Better spend 300$ on pills and believe in astrology instead!
Jack Smith
I already follow a healthy diet consisting mostly of veggies and lean meat. 70% veg 20% meat 10% fruit and other shit
Carson Hall
Why would you include vitamins and choline in the list if you already get them from your diet then?
Matthew Gonzalez
Because he's retarded.
Brandon Reed
this is really good bait. no one is this stupid right?
Owen Parker
Vitamin D3 is mostly acquired through sun exposure or eating fatty fish, which are expensive where I live.
B12 has been conjectured to ward off against diseases like parkison and other neurodegenerative diseases when taken on dosages way higher than one normally gets from diet alone.
Ian Thompson
>choline
Choline seems to be a nootropic at high dosages, the kinda of dosages where one would have to eat 9 fucking eggs a day to get.
Noah Adams
Not really, i bought some years ago when i was ill around exam season - it has no noticeable effect until later in the day when your energy doesn't quite trail off like usual. Not a wonder drug but i still use it once a blue moon if im constipated because it empties you out.
Samuel Rodriguez
How effective Modafinil is depends a lot on genetics, and whether or not you are already a high performer.
To me, Modafinil is incredible. My mind becomes completely focused and silenced, I can work for 8 hours straight no problemo. I took the drug for 3 months, and I did more work in that short period of time, than in my last 2 years combined combined.
Andrew Hughes
i dont think it does nessecarily but it feels like a more safe bet in terms of quality.
Cameron Mitchell
I used it most of the past year to work consistent 16 hour shifts while studying through the night shift Good shit Except every morning and following evening I feel like I'm going to have a heart attack
Jack Diaz
>Except every morning and following evening I feel like I'm going to have a heart attack
Damn, the worst I get from Modafinil is disassociation when coming off, things become spooky.