Plato is stupid

Plato is stupid.

Seriously.

And it's important that you all understand that Western society is based on the fallacy-ridden ramblings of an idiot. Read this, understand that he is not joking, and understand that Plato is well and truly fucked in the head.

Every single one of his works goes like this:

SOCRATES: "Hello, I will now prove this theory!"
STRAWMAN: "Surely you are wrong!"
SOCRATES: "Nonsense. Listen, Strawman: can we agree to the following wildly presumptive statement that is at the core of my argument?" {Insert wildly presumptive statement here— this time, it's "There is such a thing as Perfect Justice" and "There is such a thing as Perfect Beauty", among others.}
STRAWMAN: "Yes, of course, that is obvious."
SOCRATES: "Good! Now that we have conveniently skipped over all of the logically-necessary debate, because my off-the-wall crazy ideas surely wouldn't stand up to any real scrutiny, let me tell you an intolerably long hypothetical story."
{Insert intolerably long hypothetical story.}
STRAWMAN: "My God, Socrates! You have completely won me over! That is brilliant! Your woefully simplistic theories should become the basis for future Western civilization! That would be great!"
SOCRATES: "Ha ha! My simple rhetorical device has duped them all! I will now go celebrate by drinking hemlock and scoring a cameo in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure!"

The moral of the story is: Plato is stupid.

What's your idea user? How would you conceive a better idea of dialectics?

>t. communism has never been tried yet

Phil 101 isn't that hard user, I'm sure you'll get through it.

Have Glaucon or whatever actually say more than
>hmm really makes you think
>obviously
>yes
>of course
>i see
Thrasymachus was the only one in Republic who actually participates in conversations rather than blindly agreeing to everything Socrates says

>refuting the Greeks

How old are you? Don't just stop with 400bcJC

>missing the point this badly

Interlocutors have no choice but to agree with Socrates because he is just that badass. Get with the canon, babe.

Simply the basics of being open to another's idea? You can decide what is nonsense to you, but only after passing a certain exam. That until there are no longer dangerous idiots I guess.

Is Socrates a smartass?

>having to ask this question