The Dark Enlightenment/NRx

>there are clear historical comparisons to be mde here to the Nazi Party

Every time.

Why is it so hard for leftists to talk about right wing ideas without bringing in the nazis at some point?

>Why fear annihilation?

I don't want to linger in agony after being driven over by a Muslim truck driver.

Strange? Maybe insofar as how unthinkable something like this - an obscure movement of political thinkers, fringe philosophers, and a silicon valley billionaire advocating for an anti-enlightenment counterrevolution in the face of new leftist progressivism suddenly elevated to a position of influence in national politics - would have been a year ago. But a lot of what's going on behind the scenes is still nebulous. Some of these guys are getting jobs, others are reportedly in contact with Bannon, and some are advisors. We just can't say how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Hey, to be clear, I'm not comparing the today's alt-right to the nazi party out of a sense of "ooooh EVIL". But OP's map of the the connections betweens these movements should be acknowledged. They are temporary alliances. The Religious Right and the Technorealists are situationally allies, if only because the Religious Right is so afraid of gays and muslims that they aren't even cognizant of the threats posed by silicon valley paranoia.

I suppose I could use the Allied Powers as a similar example, but I don't think Churchil, Stalin and Truman were ignorant of the situational nature of the alliance. Everyone expected it to fall apart the second hitler and the japanese surrendered.

I still stand by the Yiannopollus/Rohm comparison.

Thiel fears these things yet he continues such a system by creating software for the NSA through his company Palantir and funnelling money into products which shift social order and bring about the collapse of traditional values.

What a dumb hypocrite and no, I'm not a commie. I just recognise that social change is inherent to Capitalism. This will only get worse with our age of the internet as things move at a much more rapid pace.

Not to mention that the simulation theory is fucking stupid as it can never be falsified.

>le dark enlighment
did a 12 yo boy named this shit

You're being paranoid of a few events which are shot into your brain by the MSM. You are statistically very unlikely to die in such a way.

Don't bother responding with a meme. You know it's true. One moment you'll deride the media and the next you'll accept what they say as long as it fits in with your biases.

Yiannapolous is the author of his own misfortune. He became an embarrassment and a liability, it wasn't a power struggle at all. The religious right has never been comfortable with the "alt right," in fact most of them are "cuckservatives" who voted for Cruz in the primaries. Strasser wasn't a leftist, and Rohm's homosexuality was not a big part of his identity. As you yourself pointed out, he wasn't killed for being gay, he was killed because other elites were jealous of his power.

To be frank, the situation in Weimar Germany and the contemporary US are not comparable. Where are the demobilized troops? Where is the civil war? Where is the hyperinflation? Where is the Treaty of Versailles?

exactly, fear of death, fear of pain. I'm sure being killed in painful ways would be painful. I'm just a realist and know that I'm probably going to die of cancer, heart disease, or a car crash. To waste my energy on paranoia about terrorists is stupid. Do you have the same fear or lightning or cars?

I think Thiel has a "better us than them" mentality to AI. A lot in the technofuturist community live by the idea that whoever invents it first will rule the world.

There are some more pleasant multiculturalist types in that realm. Zoltan Istvan, the transhumanist presidential candidate, now running as a libertarian for governor of california, supports the idea of an international body like the UN directing a collaborative effort to build AI, to avoid a new cold-war situation or another hiroshima.

I love you

We don't have anything to gain by allowing them into the country, and a lot to lose. There is no objective reason for Muslim immigration, if we need laborers, we can get them elsewhere. The burden of proof is on you to prove why we should admit these people.

I really don't see the downside of adopting a Hungarian approach to Muslim migration.

You can prevent muslim crime and terrorism. You can't prevent getting struck by lightning or getting into a random car crash.

>i am just pretending to be retarded

> He became an embarrassment and a liability, it wasn't a power struggle at all.

I'd say the same happened to Rohm. Once political revolution was complete and democracy abolished, the brownshirts were just liabilities. There's an account that Mussolinni was disgusted that Hitler tolerated gays in the SA. To which Hitler reportedly responded: "They're a band of warriors, not a moral institution." Hitler had no intention of following through on the "second revolution", overthrowing capitalism. Once he achieved power, he didn't need the Brownshirts.

Yiannoppolus was a token gay boy to attract angry white gay men to the Trump cause. He isn't useful anymore, so when the pedophilia jokes come out, Bannon/Brietbart have no reason to back him up or defend him.

The demobilized troops: disgruntled white voters. The civil war: the 2008 economic crisis. The Treaty of Versailles: our purported "economic recovery" without any real change for average people.

But you can prevent car crashes! Don't use a car! Similarly, there is nothing YOU can do to prevent terrorism or violent crime. If someone wants to kill you, it's probably going to happen.

not the guy you're replying to, but I'd argue we have a moral obligation to accept refugees. After all, we're the ones that overthrew their governments and promised them peace and safety.

There is no excusing the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya or Pakistan. The War on Terror has been an overreaction to a single terrorist attack. 3000 died in 9/11 and 300,000 have died in the War on Terror. We even killed people who had nothing to do with sept 11th.

Accepting refugees is the bare minimum or reconciliation we can do, when it comes to practical solutions to alleviate the suffering of people we've harmed. Some symbolic solutions wouldn't be terrible either, like letting the ICJ prosecute Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Obama for war crimes.

Cars are a useful means of conveyance, they do more good than harm. Muslims are a destructive, unassimilable race that on a world scale does much, much, more harm than good. We can prevent terrorism and violent crime by voting for candidate that promise to reduce immigration from Muslim countries. You're talking about Muslim immigration as if it's this unstoppable force of nature, when in reality it's not that hard to just turn them away.

Cars do more harm than good. There are safer ways to move things, including trains, airplanes, horses or even bicycles. Some stats from the CDC

Heart disease: 614,348
• Cancer: 591,699
• Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 147,101
• Accidents (unintentional injuries): 136,053
• Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 133,103
• Alzheimer's disease: 93,541
• Diabetes: 76,488
• Influenza and pneumonia: 55,227
• Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 48,146
• Intentional self-harm (suicide): 42,773

Car crashes are the 3rd highest cause of death in America. Car crashes will kill more people this year than muslim terrorists will kill in a century. Are you still concerned about muslims?

And they're often quite nice people! The typical muslim in america is really no different than any other typical american. They like TV, they like fuck, they like to eat food, they like wear nice clothes. Go meet some, it'll be a good experience for you.

sorry, 4th highest cause of death.

>we're the ones that overthrew their governments
Hmm I'm not sure if I remember doing that actually

You don't remember the invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya?

I'm not American. Most of the victims of the "War on Terror" were killed by various local militias, not US troops. The worst thing you did was allow the Iraqis and Libyans to kill each other, but it wasn't intentional, and as the saying goes, you can't rape the willing.

Muslims are violent and sectarian lot, it's understandable you thought they'd behave like civilized humans when you liberated them. Naivety is forgivable.

Read the Pew reports, they're not the same as Americans. I live in a high immigration area so don't lecture me on "meeting" some, I've met quite enough already.

We need cars, unlike muslim immigrants and an accident doesn't happen with intent to harm. Intent matters. A car is just a tool, just like a gun. It matters who wields it and for what reasons.

Sure I remember them, but I don't remember doing them.

okay, but do you fear cars? because you should. Even if you feel you need one, you should recongize that it is a machine of death.

I'm a delivery driver, I do about 300 miles a week. I don't see an accident everyday, but most weeks I see 3 or 4.

It's all so casual too. The emergency vehicles roll up. People carted away on stretchers, flaming cars extinguished. Then the tow trucks arrive, they hitch up the cars and sweep up the debris. Traffic slows for 15 minutes, then it's over. Often times, I'll pass an accident, and when I'm driving back 5 minutes later it's completely gone. You'd never know an accident had happened.

If the media reported on car accidents, giving us the graphic details that they give us about terrorist attacks, we'd all be terrified of cars. I'm kind of terrified of cars, but hey, a job's a job I guess.

The aztec's had pyramids. We have highways. When automated cars do finally replace human drivers, we're going to have an enormous organ donor shortage.

If you're not scared of cars. But you are scared of muslims, then I think you need some exposure to car accidents. Go watch some videos until you're properly sensitized.

Ah well, if you're not American or part of the "Coalition of the Willing", then I suppose it's not your fault. Any sympathy you might have for people fleeing war zones would be pure charity. I'm glad your hands are so clean.

As an American, I find the current wave of xenophobia disgusting. We didn't "liberate" anyone, we demolished their societies. If someone has to shoulder the weight of the current refugee crisis, it should be countries that started these wars.

I don't fear car. I fear reckless car drivers and truck drivers of peace of course. I respect cars and the physical forces behind their function, but only a fool fears a tool.

Its a bunch of beta cucks mad at normies and girls

"reckless drivers". The act of driving itself is reckless, a risk. Forget intent, or whether a cause of death is intentional or accidental. How are you most likely to die? Heart Disease, Cancer, Respiratory Infection and CARS.

Fear of muslims is irrational. If you get murdered, it's going to be a lover or a parent or a coworker or a child. You will be struck by lightning before a muslim kills you.

Seriously what do you mean by "we" and "country"? You realise that the US population had literally nothing to do with the military intervention by the US government right? Western governments fuck as at home, fuck other people in their homes and then we pay the consequences. You're just going to take responsibility for what they've done to others, on top of the shit they already do to you?

It's pretty creepy that leftists think that an occasional massacre is an acceptable price to pay for diversity.

I mean, I kind of agree, but it also feels a little dismissive, especially since Trump installed Bannon as chief strategist.

A year ago, I considered the Alt-Right (and also the Antifa) as delusional LARPers. They were jousting windmills, going on witch hunts for imaginary witches.

I think the video of Richard Spencer getting punched really highlights how much has changed in a year. The Fringe is now in the spotlight, the centrists are losing control.

I think Zizek has it right, that we need destabilization in order to have substantial change, but it's a risky venture. Lenin told the German Communists to back Hitler. The Communists knew they couldn't trust the Nazis, and planned on having a counter-revolution of their own. Communism did come to Germany, but there weren't any original German Communists remaining to enjoy it.

I don't think we need to fear a genocide in america, we'll surely find someway to displace the violence abroad.

We can laugh at the alt-right all we want, but we shouldn't under estimate it.

Everything in in life is a risk-reward calculation and immigration from the middle east is a bad deal. It's that simple.

>Fear of muslims is irrational
It's not irrational. Half of british muslims think homosexuals should be illegal. That's a measurable threat to gay people's liberty and even existence.

Not to mention the muslim countries where being gay gets you a life or death sentence. Red and dark red in the map:

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Muslims also pose a tenable threat to women, alternative religious devotees, atheists (again life threat) and bring a wide spread anti-democratic sentiment.

The high crime rates and terrorism are only a small part of the threat posed by mass muslim immigration.

The risk reward calculation does not pay out in the end.

These obsessive fantasies about the Third Reich are laughable desu. You need to expand your repertoire and find some other historical atrocities that "might happen again" under Trump.

Americans must consume more Holocaust media per capita than any other nation aside from Israel.

That's actually a kind of useful insight to me. Gives me an idea of how things are seen from the right.

But I just don't see those as the terms of the equation. I think it's disturbing that the right has no such little compassion for people fleeing war. We accept thousands of immigrants and refugees every year, and the vast majority of their are peaceful people. When I look at the safety and security I am able to enjoy, I can offer no rationale for why I deserve this peace over any other person enjoying such peace.

I'm not special, just lucky to be born in one place and not another. Their is surely plenty of food and shelter and safety to share with others. The idea that all this safety and comfort is mine, that I deserve these possessions, is a joke. You can't own atoms, you can't own land. It exists without your ownership.

If a dollar bill was lying on the ground, it'd be absurd to shout "THATS MINE", it's a piece of paper blowing in the wind. No one owns it. That's how I see the earth. It'd ridiculous to demand that others can't enjoy what I'm enjoying.

Similarly, it's silly to say the pain others endure is special to them. Why should they suffer while I do not suffer? If the happenstance of the universe drops a bomb on their house and not my house, it's silly to say they deserved that pain and I did not deserve that pain.

To me, compassion is about recognizing that I am not special, and behaving accordingly. Any pleasure I experience is undeserved, any pain I suffer undeserved. To feel otherwise, that I deserve pleasure and others deserve pain, is just cruel and arrogant.

reminder that your side lost and your ideas and culture will be extinct in 3-6 years

it will be forceful, too

I don't know man. People have been reading Jesus and Buddha for a few thousand years. I doubt philosophies of compassion will die out.

I don't know that I ever expect the other side to die out either. Fear of death is real.

This kind of thinking is derived from Christianity. It's a textbook case of Protestant guilt.

Have you ever noticed how Catholic countries (and regions) are less big on diversity? Think of how "islamophobic" the French, Bavarians, Italians, are compared to the English, Americans, and Nordics. Same story with Orthodox Hungary and Catholic Poland. You can read a whole book on this phenomenon if you like.

>(((((compassion)))))

white people are getting tired of being trampled on, chaim

Some advanced memetics here lad

It's not entirely derived from Christianity, but yeah, Jesus is one of the larger examples of such a philosophy. The whole "put your sword away paul", letting himself be crucified. I don't believe in the resurrection or life after death, but I think Jesus had some pretty solid ideas about nonviolence.

But it goes way back, Buddhism, Greek Cynicism, Plato drinking poison, etc

It's a solid way to live. Give up your fear of death. Have compassion for others.

For me, it's not that all people are equally good, that all cultures are great, it's more of a negative egalitarianism. There is nothing special about me. There is nothing special about my culture/race. We're all equally deserving and undeserving of pain and pleasure.

stop posting from the synagogue

I think his point is that this strain of thought, your strain of thought, derives itself from Protestantism, and that Catholicism and Orthodoxy foster very different outlooks on the world.

fuck me, Socrates drinking poison, you know what I'm talking about

it's the opposite kind of thinking that is really pathetic. The whole Icycalm, "Orgy of the Will", shit. Group Tribalism is no different, whether it's religion or race or nation. It's just unfounded, "I'm better than you" taken to a group level.

The problem with NRx is it's intrinsic nihilistic postmodernism.

If it argues that the axioms of liberalism and democracy are untenable and easy to deconstruct, the same applies to their own shitty ideology.

You can atone for your guilt however you like, but don't drag the rest of us along with you. If you're as selfless as you claim, you won't mind doing it alone.

>If a dollar bill was lying on the ground, it'd be absurd to shout "THATS MINE", it's a piece of paper blowing in the wind. No one owns it. That's how I see the earth. It'd ridiculous to demand that others can't enjoy what I'm enjoying.

The problem is you are importing people who see the dollar bill and think 'It's mine' and you end up with zero dollars. You can't have open border globalism if all participants aren't on the same page about it.

Social systems, equality and democracy don't work if you mass import people who don't like democracy, liberty and socialist systems. It's completely inane. You can't be pro-welfare and pro-globalism at the same time, these concepts are mutually exclusive as long as there is not a somewhat homogeneous level education and wealth around the globe, while that isn't the case open borders are a horrible idea.

Nobody is arguing against controlled immigration by the way. This leftist strawman that enforcing border and immigration laws is somehow anti-immigration is ridiculous.

>Why should they suffer while I do not suffer?
Here is your problem. Why should you suffer just because they suffer? It's not a zero sum game, suffering is not a commodity that is shared around like blankets. You don't have to suffer yourself to help others, you don't have to punish yourself to help others. Foreign aid, anti-war policies and charities can help with all of their suffering without you having to fuck up your own country in the process.

>t. just read Baudrillard

>He got the Communists, bitter with their Socialist allies for supporting the 1st world war, to vote him into the chancellorship.
American education everybody.

How is Baudrillard relevant to what I said?

because what you just said is pomo retardation that went out of style 15 years ago

Anyway, I'll stop babbling about compassion. I've derailed the thread.

>Lenin told the German Communists to back Hitler.
Source me up, bucko. Oh wait, you can't. Because that's horse shit.

I'm not talking about who's pathetic or not, I genuinely thought you were baiting by your entire pseudo-intellectual way of explaining your phiosophy.

>I accuse NRx of being too pomo
>"lol dude you're so pomo"

Wew, extreme autism.

yeah, so just how nihilistic is NRx?

Like, if they despise democracy and liberalism so much, have such little faith in government, what's the gameplan?

Are they just waiting for the "hard reboot" that Land talks about? Is there no positive plan?

Because then yeah, I'd agree in calling it nihilistic.

pomo retards like yourself are logic-absent, so you'll do anything to make it look like you've torn down your opposition

nrx is really only "pomo" in some circles to destroy pomo; it's a facade. sad that modern postmodernists can't see this- or perhaps they can and they're just powerless to stop their own abolition

>Is there no positive plan?

It's a lose coalition of anti-establishment ideological movements. They all have different positive plans. But all of them require the establishment to get out of the way.

Your posts are interesting to me because I've followed similar trails of thought and arrived at the opposite conclusion.

I imagine that everything that is good in my life, not just pleasures but my skills and character, ultimately are possible because of total happenstance. What in an earlier era might be called the grace of God must now be, in the age of Marxism, attributed to the society at large, and more myopically to my immediate family. I want this society that has given me everything to be preserved, and it's plain to see that generally people who are ardently pro-refugee care less about helping people in need and more about indirectly attacking the foundation of this society. I don't imagine for a minute that there is any intention whatsoever to ensure that refugees be sent back even in the unlikely scenario that the Middle East knows peace in the near future.

What is "special" about my culture? Maybe nothing except that I benefit from it. But I also belong to it, and what little power I have as an individual in my country is forfeited if I leave it - or if it leaves me. I have to wonder what the European response to the migrant crisis would have been if Europe had not already been taking a staggering migrants for decades prior to it. The right is, generally, not angry about the idea of helping vulnerable people avoid being killed, but with the entire idea of bolstering the declining European population with entirely different people and expecting that things will not fundamentally change as a consequence somewhere down the road.

>nrx is really only "pomo" in some circles to destroy pomo; it's a facade

Stupidest bullshit I've ever heard. So what's hiding under that facade then? Values that are impervious to deconstructive nihilism?

I sincerely doubt it.

The people pushing the war were politicians and the elite, not the average voter. There was no vote for going to war. Yet the refugees rape and steal from the working class in the countries they arrive in. While the elites who ruin their countries sit safely behind fences

Whatever it is, it must be preferable to whatever came pre-Trump :^)

Right, so globalism vs nationalism then.

An extreme simplification, but those are the lines in the sand for what could be the coming war

Do you know which side will win?

I doubt there will be such a conflict, unless people actually want there to be such a conflict e.g a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Watch the news more closel.

It just requires things to continue the way they are going at the moment.

Looks like a bunch of highschoolers LARPing.

My money is on globalism

Even in the Syrian War, the condition of winning is to have your side accepted into the legitamacy of the world order. It's a proxy war for sure, but only one of the 3 (2?) groups will emerge as a legitimate state: Assad, ISIS or some hypothetical 3rd party of "moderates rebels". All three of these outcomes will be a win for the global order.

The only possible nationalist wins would be for Assad to achieve victory without western/russian backing, or for ISIS to exist as a tolerated, permanent, rogue state.

To be clear, if Assad wins with the blessing of Russia, this is a win for Globalism. If he becomes Kim Jung Un, then it's a win for nationalism.

I do not think you can consider Trump, Brexit or even the current French election situations as true wins for nationalism. These countries are the epitome of the global order. Brexit will be a joke. Wall Street survives Trump.

Not really. It requires that people who have different opinions talk to each and reach a compromise.

I mean, if you're not willing to reach a compromise with anyone, you are contributing to the self-fulfilling prophecy I am talking about.

>Not really. It requires that people who have different opinions talk to each and reach a compromise.
Yeah so it's probably going to continue the way it is going right now. So far there is no sign of any willingness to find a compromise.

>Lenin told the German Communists to back Hitler.
Hitler was basically a nobody when Lenin was alive

Gotta start somewhere.

>the syrian war
>remotely comparable to the coming western conflict

your post comes off as desperate

>my autistic fantasies are so much more epic than you could imagine

the reason for the surge and victory of "altright" politics is partly because people naturally have an inherent sense of hierarchy, order and logic, and the sheltered postmodern left represents the destruction of these things because they believe they can ignore reality because "wow i read baudrillard in psych once LOL #CriticalTheory sent from my iPhone"

if I could, i'd post 2 images- the one attached and the other a smug Trump holding a child photoshopped to have the face of pepe- you know the one :)

You're good at expressing yourself, but I've come away from your post a bit disappointed, nothing original or interesting in there

Or maybe it's because they are genuinely progressive people. It's not like all people on the Left are deluded, but I get that it's easier to strawman every opposition to your own values.

I mean, there have always been people who have valued "hierarchy, order and logic" in every single century, as there have always been people who have valued social and legal justice, liberty and openness to new ideas.

The question is, what is it really that you want? Do you want to live in a better society, or do you simply want to destroy your enemies?

>talks about logic
>while committing illogicies
Ew.

>let me post a picture of delusional person with fringe opinion to defend my own delusional fringe opinion
>I wish a could post a picture of a frog too to emphasize my complete divorce from reality outside the internet and college

>Lenin told the German Communists to back Hitler. The Communists knew they couldn't trust the Nazis, and planned on having a counter-revolution of their own.

Where the fuck are you getting these fantasies from?

now western society has conceded so many things- "hate speech" disallowed in many countries, fag marriage, gun control in many countries- what even is "progressive" any more? the "progressiveness" that you espouse is actually the growth of a cultural cancer that many people recognize and are seeking to cut out.

We will.

good argument

>"fringe" opinion

did you watch the DNC?

>says i'm divorced from reality outside of internet and college

LMAO

need a safe space, snowflake?

Should have just called it the 'endarkenment' to be frank.

Also:
>being openly, proudly and unashamedly this much of a reactionary.

when a chimp has ripped your guts out, it's best to try to put them back in and seek medical attention, not just sit there bleeding out

Well, similar things happen at the outset of every big political change (I'm hesitant to use the word revolution), groups holding formerly fringe positions coalesce around their opposition to the mostly united establishment (that's maybe more habitually and pragmatically united than politically and ideologically). They unite under a vague moniker and proceed to splinter, compete and develop until a dominant force appears.
All this reminds me much more of the period before and during the Russian Civil war, look at all the different leftist/socialist/communist groups that existed at the time, and then look at the groups on the other side, there's not much there apart from the Black Hundreds and the Russian government, it will give you a rough idea of what this is.

Back to analogy school with you.

>implying being reactionary is inherently bad

The people who resisted national socialism in nazi germany and wanted to return to democracy were reactionaries too you know?

>uses 'safe space' and 'snowflake'
Yeah, you da mature man living in reality, not preoccupied with silly teenage problems in a college-bubble at all.

I thought everything was relative dude weed lmao cultural relativism it's great to read poetry by 60 IQ blacks in high school lmao #FuckWHITEPEOPLE #FUCKDRUMPF

jesus bro, that's a few too many strawmen in one post

>implying there's such a thing as an objective good/bad dichotomy