Biological warfare

Why hasn't anyone (i.e. terrorists) attempted to use bacteria, viruses or parasites as a means of warfare? Why haven't ISIS gone and stolen viruses from Galveston National Laboratory and released them into the American population? That would be infinitely more effective than a handful of bombs or mass shootings.

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Because you could easily be killed by whatever weaponized virus/bacteria you realeased. Even if you release it in America, pandemics spread to the opposite side of the globe overnight due to air travel. Terrorists arent any more immune to disease than anyone else, and its not really a successful “attack” if half of ISIS is killed by it aswell.

Terrorists aren't interested in self-preservation, that's why there are suicide bombers.

LOL FUCKING DUNE COON SAND NIGGERS

They are interested in preserving their religion/ideology, which isn't possible if everyone dies.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioterrorism#Twentieth_century

Check this section for instances of biological warfare used for terrorism.

But to answer your question, biowarfare is a high-tech option for terrorism. It is difficult to isolate correctly and deliver it to a population while preserving its virulence. Getting access to it in the first place is quite difficult, especially with very deadly agents like haemorrhagic fever viruses or even smallpox (only exists in US and USSR laboratories today). You would need an organized and knowledgeable effort to stockpile and deliver sufficiently deadly agents in a civilized country. Nothing a bunch of raging sand monkeys could muster.

The easiest weapon of mass destruction to use for terrorism was thought to be chemical warfare, deadly gases. But the jihadis proved us wrong and got trucks to win that honor. Much easier than every other mass terrorism option.

same answer as to why they dont use nukes. difficult to acquire / deploy.

stealing a truck / hijacking an airplane with boxcutters, now thats very cost effective

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>implying that literally every member of their global ideology would die from one virus
wew lad

No u

They cant carry out the will of Allah as effectively with half as many members.

They also can't carry out the will of Allah as effectively after they blow themselves up with suicide vests, but they continue to use suicide vests. Really makes you think.

Based

>weapon of mass destruction
>trucks
wut

...that's kind of the point of that sentence, that they managed to turn a mostly harmless transportation vehicle into a weapon.

Why arent you satisfied with the answer "It's too hard" ?

Because it is hard.

You would need a laboratory. So big and expensive you couldn't hide it.

You would need more money than trucks, bombs or guns.

You would need lots of human capital. Biologists, sociologists, chemists.

You would need to smuggle it into your target land.

They wouldn't need any of those things if they simply stole any existing virus from a laboratory and released into the American population.

What are you talking about man? How would they even steal it from an American laboratory, do you have any idea how controlled dangerous substances are? They'd need a laboratory/sterile place and knowledgeable people to store and deploy the virus to begin with. There's simply no way a bunch of underdeveloped terrorists in the Middle East could ever spread disease in the American population no less. They just aren't the type of people to know enough to do it.

Biological weapons are very tricky to use for reasons already cited, but chemical weapons have been used with limited success by terrorist groups, notably in Japan. Now that I think about it, it's indeed quite surprising that terrorist attacks by neurotoxic gasses or similar weapons aren't used more often by terrorist organizations in the Western world, I mean most DAESH militants are dumb as bricks, but surely there is a minority of reasonably intelligent people capable of synthesizing such compounds in a Western country and using them in a train station or something.

Its impossible to steal a virus from a laboratory. The deadly viruses and other pathogens are literally held in armored bunkers underground with armed guards. The perimeter is surrounded by walls and everyones entry and exit is tightly controlled.

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All they need to do is convert the right people (technicians, guards, etc) to Islam and then they have access. Problem solved.

Microbes mutate beyond prediction you can cause a pandemic that will kill you as well.

The same reason why terrorists have never blown up a nuclear power plant. It's impossible for them to do it.

Bio and chem warefare is exactly what Rocketman is threatening, in addition to nukes.

Some say the mass unvaximated Somali influx to MN is their way of bio warfare. States that allow immigrants.

They dont kill half the terrorist population with suicide vests. They need numbers and biological warefare doesnt allow them to control their numbers.

It took industrialized nations decades to develop and weaponize biological, chemical, and nuclear agents.

>ayyy lmao y cant isis do it bros

If it was that easy everyone would have a nuclear arsenal. Use your brain for 2 fucking seconds before you post man.

Nuclear weapons are surprisingly easy to make. Its aquiring the highly regulated and monitored materials that’s difficult.

"impossible" is a pretty strong word buddy

>If it was that easy everyone would have a nuclear arsenal.

It is that easy, that's why North Korea has nukes, idiot.

High IQ use deadlier methods. Poison is highly associated with HIGH IQ killers for instance. Doing a bio attack and killing 10,000,000 is something someone very high IQ would do and it would take a very long time to plan and get access to such labs.

So to summarize: "smart people are more likely to use methods of killing that require greater intelligence"

>tfw too intelligent to beat someone to death with a club

>It took industrialized nations decades to develop and weaponize biological, chemical
This is just wrong. Utterly and totally wrong. Well poisoning is pre-historic. Lobbing dead bodies over fortification walls was used to cause diseases. There is also the story about giving blankets from hospitals to native Americans in order to kill.

I wonder why we don't use non-human biological warfare.
I think Monsanto had crops with "Terminator seeds" or something, which made the plant sterile.
Is there really no way that some schmuck could make the genes that turn off the reproductive cycle dormant for a generation or two, and then start wiping out massive farms and destroying our agriculture?
Hell, even just culturing crop-killing bacteria and gradually immunizing the culture to the most common pesticides, and then releasing the superbugs.

This isn't a hollywood movie pham. They would need to be radicalised and in contact with terrorists, the chances they would radicalise the right set of educated statistically successful and organised them without being NSA'd is tiny

*Successful people and organise them

>Terminator seed
No what they have are plants that are not able to reproduce.

The ordeal started when one non-monsanto farmer got his own farm polinized by monsanto GMP and monsanto flipped his shit over it accusing him of stealing patented technology and being generally a total asshole, in the end the farmer won this lytigium... so monsanto came and made seeds that were sterile and problem solved, but then it meant that monsanto farmers had to constantly buy seeds from them, so now it was the world who flipped his shit and forced monsanto into making them illegal.

So, shits cash lately in the biotechnology sector with all the drama involved.

It depends.

What are you trying to do OP? In WW1 Germans introduced pagues in French territory and even thought they didn't use a microscopic agent it stilll biological warfare.

And what do want to do? Do you want to hurt people? Do you want to hurt the economy? Do you simply want to disrup a certain location for a while?

And how much time and money do you have?

So, you could simply, lets say, introduce African beetles into Italy to fuck up with crops and it would be bioterrorism, the technical details are in how many do you need of a certain agent, how many starting points and how separate they have to be and how effective do you expect it to be.

Terrorist usually don't have really clear objectives when making damage, they just want the easiest and most accesible targets because they know they are in constant danger anyway so there is no need to increase the chances of failure by adding complexity, and since they are small groups when they fail they suffer a lot so their risk-benefit relationship really forces tyou into taking the risks into account.

Now, why is risky? Because biological weapons require time, space and people who know at least a bit about the subject. The latter isn't really that problematic, but the first and second are the hardest.

Growing biological stuff requires time, people will tell you that bacteria reproduce at exponential speeds but that only happens when you are constantly feeding the bacteria with a good nutrient solution and that also only happens with some species of bacteria, so no matter how you do it you will need time, a lot of time to grow a good ammount of biological agent.

And then that biological agent needs to be stored, there are "tricks"(liofilization) to make this process easier, but you are going to still need a lot more space than a simple 3x3m2 hole in the ground.

And then factor that the more time and space increases the chances of being discovered...

Where can I read about biological warfare?... you know, asking for a friend

There was a European king who was once approached with an opportunity to buy chemical weapons. I think it was a poison gas mixture.

It was one of the earliest times that it had been invented and was able to be used in a large scale on another population. That king chose to pay the poison maker enough money so that he would keep the recipe a secret from the king's enemies.

And it has taken them more than 50 years to achieve it, congrats you picked the ideal example for my point.
The implicit in OPs point was that it would be a deliverable effective weapon on a large enough scale to do greater damage than their current tactics. None of your examples satisfy that requirement in the modern world.

They arent trying to kill everyone and their relatives abroad

Uhh and is that why they blow themselves up? Dunno how u thought of such a dumbass argument. Man...

>ISIS
Mudslimes are mental midgets. It took developed nations decades to have the resources required to carry out such a task. It would take less time for all of mankind to go extinct by natural means than it would take snackbars to properly weaponize anything pathogenic.

Japan did

>deliverable effective weapon
One single dead sheep in the water intake will do plenty. Add some pestilence and you are golden.

Bio warfare is hard to control/contain, while be simultaneously spreadable unless waterborne. The carcass in the water supply idea is good for beginners, but those are usually checked for blockage and filtered before distribution. Also, a lot of European nations have already had a bad history with carcasses in water sources, so most only drink bottled water or seltzer water.

I guess it would depend on target though, too. If you are looking to kill people, trucks and guns and bombs are relatively inexpensive and can be half-assed while still giving decent results.

If you are going after the pocket, infrastructure is amazing. Fuck up some bridges at/over major highways and just watch the local governments dish out thousands to clean up and repair. Hell, a single truck accidentally hit a pillar of a bridge near where I live and local traffic patterns were goofed for more than a month. The trick is to be persistent and do it to enough of the important ones that it really fucks with traffic and businesses.

Biowarfare kind of meme'd itself with how expensive it is to handle and distribute in order to get good payoff.