How did Orwell predicted all so accurate?

Did you even read it? Books became illegal because minorities kept getting more and more offended. Go back and read the passage where Beatty explains how it all came to be. There was so much emphasis on minorities and muh feelings in that book (not to mention Bradbury has said minorities ought not be in charge of aesthetics, for it would be a mad world indeed [paraphrased]).

Read some 'effin Orwell.

>reading Orwell
>not just resding the source material

We is 100x better

What you are saying is the equivalent of closing your ears and going "NANANANANANANA I'm not listening NANANANANANA".
If your precious beliefs are so weak to the extent where they are shattered by merely reading a book, then maybe there's something wrong with your beliefs.

It's not an issue of weakness. The issue is that once I am exposed to people who either agree or disagree with me, my beliefs simply become less mine.

Orwell was a commie who despised authoritarianism for having stolen his precious communism/anarchism that he witnessed in Catalonia.

people like to cite 1984 for whatever their political motivations that are only tangentially related to the misinterpretation of orwell's books

But at the same time, you are exposed to other opinions, which broadens your perspective and maybe you'll find faults in your own opinions.
How can you improve your opinions and yourself if you don't criticize yourself or compare your opinions to others'? If you are confident in your opinions, then you should allow them to be challenged; otherwise, there is no way for you to know whether or not you are right. We are humans, even the brightest of us make mistakes, that is why it is important to know what others believe and think; rather than being trapped in your own box.

How did elders of Zion predicted all so accurate?

I don't want to be open minded or informed or infallible or whatever else. I want to be me and I want what is mine to be mine.

Yes, he was a communist, yet he wrote a book criticizing communism (animal farm).
Makes a lot of sense, right?

Bradbury himself has said the book was intended as a discussion of Television and other mass mediums destroying literature and other complex arts. He famously stormed out of a classroom when students insisted he was wrong about his own book and it was really about censorship.
Please stop shitting up the board with your child's understanding of literature

Not everything in life is about what you want.
Why are you even on Veeky Forums, and on Veeky Forums in particular, you don't want to read others' opinions.
Better not hurt your feefees, snowflake.

>Not everything in life is about what you want.
Wrong
I'm at no risk browsing Veeky Forums since there are no educated opinions posted here. Nothing on Veeky Forums has ever changed how I view the world

Orwell was an Anarchist
Notably, this is a different thing than Soviet Communism unless you're a /pol/lack who's never read any political philosophy in your life

Holy fuck you are retarded it was about mass culture

I've mentioned that in my original post, communism and anarchism(both stupid) aren't mutually exclusive

Omfg, you're beyond saving.

Well, guess he was right about Televison.

How the fuck am I retarded when the book EXPLICITLY STATED my point?

I don't give a fuck about what the book's intention was, what it was SUPPOSED to be about. Bradbury shouldn't have put so much emphasis on the minority factor. That's not my fault.

You're missing the fucking point. 451's future was a result of PC culture getting out of hand (inb4 hurr PC wasn't a term back then).

I don't see why you're denying that. We're not talking about what the book's intentions were, we're talking about how it's narrative is relevant now due to (and you're making sound like a broken record) people getting offended everywhere.

For fuck's sake, learn to focus on the point. If you can't even read my posts, which I'm making as explcit and simple as possible for you brainlets, how can you expect to read a goddamn book.

Wasn't a commie, just cared for the poor. Not like the commies who just hated the rich

I was being sarcastic, hence I said "Makes sense, right?".

>It doesn't matter what the author's point
>It doesn't matter what the book's intentions were
>The author shouldn't have put other details into his work

Orwell said himself that he was a democratic socialist, not an anarchist or communist.

has anything in 1984 actually come true yet?

Something about Vault7 or something.
Idk, check /pol/ or something.

Wikipedia is pretty close to a ministry of truth. I mean Wikipedia is one of the most view websites in the world, many government parties check it regularly to make sure it's acceptable.

I'm talking about for the sake of my point, being that that's future we're headed toward, where books can no longer be published because it'll be offensive to one group or another.

Again, you're still missing the point entirely.

I don't even know I bother.

is this guy for real...

theres a lot of freaks on here man don't listen to em, what you're saying is pretty much right man

the author is dead

A few things, I would say:
> Telescreens (smart TVs that spy on you)
> Music that is produced electronically (in the book; all music that is give to the proles is fully produced through machinery, even the vocals). Although we already have voice synthesizers, they still aren't being used in mainstream music, but I bet they will be soon. I would say that Vocaloid is very similar to what we see in the book.
> Newspeak: lol, lmao, brb, yolo, etc.
> We have a lot of fake news, but not to the extent that is show in 1984.

I'm sure there are other things that I missed because I read the book a long time ago.

Continuation of this post
One thing I forgot to mention about music is that in one of the chapters in 1984, a prole woman was singing a very, very simple pop song with lyrics that don't make any sense at all but sound a bit romantic, while she was hanging clothes (if I remember correctly), which shows that the music in the book's world is made to be extremely simple.
Also, if I remember correctly, it's mentioned somewhere in the first few chapters of the book that the music that is released for the proles is deliberately made extremely simple.

This is how the most of our mainstream pop music is now; electronically produced beats with extremely simple and sexual lyrics that usually don't make sense.

Anything else?

I read this book a long time ago, so I'll post more when I remember more.
But of course, the most obvious one, is the lack of privacy that we have today. Almost everything tracked now and the information that was released by wikileaks is only proof of that.

by democratic socialism he meant libertarian socialism, not 'dude vote for socialist parties lmao'

>by using specific words he meant other words though lmao

kill yourself

>implying social justice shit has not evolved from mass culture
>implying SJWs do not want to create one "inclusive" mass culture
I fail to see how those two do not align

We've been over this before, it wasn't a prediction. He just wrote a book describing some things he was observing at the time and they happened to spiral further out of control so now everyone says 'wooo oh so smart orson welles predicted it'

are you american? "Socialism" is defined differently in other parts of the world, especially "social democratic".

> 1984 is not about surveillance, you fucking dipshit.

This is only half true, but it's a point.

It's more about the manipulation of opinion.

Most people pasting this "not an instruction manual" -meme around are, however, not bothered about that at all and are happy to jump the social media witch hunt bandwagon whenever they feel like it.

orwell called himself a socialist to deflect criticism, basically everything he wrote is deeply anti-socialist and desu he was a bigot who wasn't even particularly interesting in his bigotry

>Most people pasting this "not an instruction manual" -meme around are, however, not bothered about that at all and are happy to jump the social media witch hunt bandwagon whenever they feel like it.
Which is exactly why I sperged out.

That's disagreeable

Why do you think he was a bigot?
I read Nineteen Eighty-Four and enjoyed it, but I don't know about George Orwell himself.

only worthwhile post in this thread t b h

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No.

because it was happening at the time.

sure this is simply an anecdote, but the general mood in nazi germany and imperial japan was that they were NEVER on the verge of defeat.

Hitler gave up months before and it was clear to the military leadership that the Axis powers were doomed years before their defeat.

It was control of information, surveillance and propaganda that drove these war machines more so than tanks or guns.

whats happening today is simply a continuation of that.

Orwell never 'prophesised' and i believe he never intended to either.

>Heh, I can't read and think about a book without corrupting my precious naivete.

Your distrust of your ability to handle edgy literature is pretty childish.

>PC culture
If you actually leave your fucking mom's basement for once in your life, you'll see that we live in more of an Apple culture now

Fuck Orwell. A whole generation of halfwits read this book and only this book and now think that generally agreeing not to publicly shame minorities is thought control.

>still thinks he ussr was communist

But that's not what they want. They want control over your opinions.

ITT: overheated chickens prattling with their mouths full

kek

I'm glad someone got it down in writing, in a mainstream way, that controlling language is thought control
This concept would be totally lost on people if it wasn't written in such an accessible way

Been a while since I read it, but we actually already have the prefabricated electronic music to an extent. Stuff like loops, sample libraries and preset synthesizers.

Lol, you fucker.

Farenheit 451 was about people abandoning literature more than censorship

I get that. But you can't deny the factors.

Obligatory

>You get fired from your job if you say anything political and most 1984 fans like it that way.

I've never understood this IRL trope; almost every job I've ever worked at you can worm your way into as many political conversations as you like as long as you don't disrupt the flow of profit to your bosses or get too publicly heated.

We had a resident MAGA who talked shit with us all the time and nobody cared. There was occasional salt but not enough to drag the bosses in and tread on us.

I've had both office and labor jobs like this.

Count me lucky, I guess.

Trump is becomed big brother
brain is becomed mush

people don't change much

looks to me like we live in a BNW instead of 1984 desu. I sure as hell can't tell what's real or not these days and in a way that makes sense because everyone has their agenda and narrative to sell

Maybe isn't American?

I'd say we live in a world beleagured by both dystopias, but the tug of war between them means there's still hope.

Huxley was right, orwell and zamyatin were wrong

I agree.

Individuality and hedonism are the core principles of modern societies and this is what drove economic progress.

Sex, drugs, relief from personal burdens in the name of liberty, generalization of opinions to the point of meaninglessness...

toppest

Breddy gud

>hey guys it's me trump supporter have you heard the latest true lie about KILLARY THE MURDERER OF CHILDREN?

>quoting directly from fuhrer trump? FAKE NEWS

inb4 ctr

YES, BUT! PERHAPS NAPOLEON COULD SHARE HIS OATS? BROTHERS?

Continuous war for the sake of continuous war.
Also the use of said war as a scapegoat for bringing in more restrictive laws.
Doublethink is extremely prevalent in politics today. I can't think of any examples off the top of my head but if you watch for it you will notice it.

We are living in both.
Government is controlling us through both ultra-hedonism and censorship.
This is truly the worst timeline.

Back to France, pomoshit.

>a book where the government surveys people's homes constantly isn't about surveillance

This user is correct: ""Now let's take up the minorities in our civilization, shall we? Bigger the population, the more
minorities. Don't step on the toes of the dog?lovers, the cat?lovers, doctors, lawyers, merchants,
chiefs, Mormons, Baptists, Unitarians, second?generation Chinese, Swedes, Italians, Germans,
Texans, Brooklynites, Irishmen, people from Oregon or Mexico. The people in this book, this
play, this TV serial are not meant to represent any actual painters, cartographers, mechanics
anywhere. The bigger your market, Montag, the less you handle controversy, remember that! All
the minor minor minorities with their navels to be kept clean. Authors, full of evil thoughts, lock
up your typewriters. They did. Magazines became a nice blend of vanilla tapioca"

Morons.

It was also implied in one passage that whites were a minority in this version of the future. Something like, "Black people were offended by Little Nigger Sambo, White people were offended by Uncle Tom's Cabin"

I used to believe this before I read marx.