When ur driving downtown listening to a lecture on baudrillard and u look on the side of the road and there's a couple...

>when ur driving downtown listening to a lecture on baudrillard and u look on the side of the road and there's a couple sitting next to each other outside of a restaurant both looking down at their phones and the girl lifts her phone up to take a picture of them both for facebook and then they both look back down at their phones again

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what lecture you listening too?

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specifically the part when he talks about the hyperreal. it just made me think about how facebook/twitter/instagram etc are the hyperreal because they are "more real than real," as mr. roderick puts it. they are better than real life which is why the couple was looking at their phones instead of interacting with each other directly.

>tfw you see a retarded /pol/ack looking at Norman Rockwell paintings and not recognising them for the American propaganda they were/are but accepting them as some glamourised model of the past that never was and then you vote for Donald Trump to make something great again yet never existed in the first place and like his campaign was fully built on lies and immense exaggeration whilst controlling the small but of truth and twisting it

say more about this please

Like what?

in what way are norman rockwell paintings american propoganda? and how do they reflect a past that never happened?

>when you understand Baudrillard but you still come back here on Veeky Forums

>when Veeky Forums makes the real a disappointment

Art is propaganda. It paints a picture of a pristine and often carefree world where everyone gets along (and seem to be all white and all right!) and amusing times are had.

The diner painting is especially telling, as only a few years after it was supposedly set was when cops were beating on blacks because they wanted the same rights as their fellow man.

It's a romanticised past, just like a cowboy movie or a tale from King Arthur.

baurdrillard is fucking weak shit with some of the most uninsightful schlock to say since marshal mcluhan, if numales read him today, don't know, don't care, but baudrillard sucks

>what if phones but too much

Baudrillard in a nutshell

Hyperreality is /pol/'s successful campaign to delete history and replace it with an alternative history where Veeky Forums was always full of right-wing shitposters.

Hitler was wrong. If you repeat a lie often enough people don't have to believe it. If you repeat a lie often enough it becomes true.

You don't like Mcluhan either? :/

Durer

Oh boy am I fucking embarrassed.

>an alternative history where Veeky Forums was always full of right-wing shitposters

it's just that being rightwing is the new edgy position, in the 90s being an anarchist or communist or flaming tranny fag was still edgy and radical, but now going to a milo or rothbard talk is the edgy thing to do, face it the tide of history is moving and the 21st century is truly beginning in earnest

pornography please

I thought /pol/ liked trannies

yeah
cool
in the grim darknes of the far future there is only war amirite?

>in the grim darknes of the far future there is only war amirite?

oh no my friend! The Better Angles Of Our Nature are ushering a limitless age of peace! It's The End Of History!

this

Fukuyama got told years ago, games workshop is still up, and i'm not sure i'm your friend

well first of all you made a leap from a resurgence of nationalism to "a grimdark future of war", but suppose that is what i was saying, do you really think that total war between develop nations will never happen again just because it's been two generations? wow, it's been a whole 60 years, i guess that means it can never happen again!

>mcluhan

skip to 2:23

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What did (t)he(y) mean by this?

Okay, extremely tired and about to go to bed but here it goes

>tfw you're watching porn and the lighting is absolutely perfect hiding any blemishes or any imperfections that may appear after the duststorm-like applications of make-up, therefore showing that women must be perfect and like all make-up advertisements (a topic all by themselves) show inadequacies if not lived up to along with male performers who are the peak of aesthetic perfection that the average man cannot reach due to outside pressures and, like the female, the imperfections are blotted out by both make-up and lighting
>sound is also a factor as most women do not moan as much like the exaggerated cries of ecstasy that pervade professional pornography the grunts and gasps are there to complete the illusion that the woman is being pleasured when in fact she is getting methodically fucked for multiple takes in front of multiple cameramen, a director, and other support personnel creating a lack of intimacy that must be made up for with careful direction and planning

I had more, but I'm going to bed.

It's been aeons since I saw give her the dick man.

i have no idea what you're blabbering about
i was just sad at the state of this society full of war mongering retards desu

sleep well and come back soon

yo that was p rad desu, although not especially insightful, anyone who read any 20th century shit by anybody already knew that...but it's better than the god awful mcluhan excerpts they have in some college "readers" so i admit enjoyed it

oh so now ur gonna "i was only pretending to be retarded!" ok cool

i maybe i'm a fucking god and don't know it, but i never found the dudes in porn particularly alienating, anybody who goes to the gym can attain that level of fitness and anybody with a dick a standard deviation or two beyond the mean can hang with them, and as far as the women, i see women that could be in porn every day, it's not like being willing to be fucked on a camera for money somehow makes you hotter than the average yoga pants white girl u see jogging around the city, i don't know man, i just can't relate to this "porn is alienating" shit

*yawn*

you sound butt devastated

>741. The stronger you grow, the less real the world seems to be. Baudrillard suffered from this phenomenon as if from a disease; he was sufficiently strong to perceive the world losing its reality before his awesome analytical power, but not strong enough (which is to say not intelligent enough, since at this level of strength, power and intelligence are the same thing, as the rest of the body's contribution to the former, in the form of physical strength, becomes negligible) to analyze precisely this reality loss and understand it, and therefore see it as natural and necessary and good.
>But let's analyze it now. Why does this phenomenon occur? Because reality=power, just as fantasy=weakness (the people who live most in their imagination are the insane). Therefore, the stronger you grow, the weaker the rest of the universe becomes (otherwise you wouldn't have grown stronger), and therefore the less real it seems to be because it is less real=less powerful compared to you, now that you've become stronger. The child takes the reality of the world as a given, because children are extremely weak, but for the genius life seems as "a dream within a dream", in Poe's words. As the world becomes ever weaker, in comparison to the genius's growing intelligence, it becomes so flimsy and ethereal as to be almost imaginary, at which point by a flick of a switch in his brain the genius can set off such a tremendous chain reaction of events as to reshape the world into whatever he wants by nothing more than... "mere" will.

You can become the give her the dick man. All you must do is give her the dick. I dick, therefore I am.

I will probably not even fall asleep despite sleeping pills. Porn is horrible. Professionally made porn, that is. The stuff they peddle as amateur even more so. I will never understand how people can jerk off to what amounts to boardroom manufactured pornography. Reminds me of Kpop. Hate that shit. Not only is it terrible but really echoes the banal image that South Korea puts forth. For God's sake the irony that they have made esports into what is essentially their national sport seems to be lost on people. Truly ridiculous yet somehow appropriate. Fuck I hate Kpop.

Amateur, true amateur porn, that is where it really is. The love. The passion. Oftentimes I can feel it and remember fondly times I shared with my ex. No rehearsal. No fluffing. No carefully positioned lights to hide our imperfections but instead embracing those imperfections as unique only to the person you love and want to be one with. Fucking bitch. My phone is aggravating to type with.

it's not alienating as much as it became the standard you use to evaluate people, as you just examplified

>it's not alienating as much as it became the standard you use to evaluate people, as you just examplified

we all live in pornworld, it's just some ppl are resentful about it and others just go with it

b-but what if i like bad, terrible porn?
the fakest is the best for me
real life is all around

i so fucking go with it
but then i'm old enough to remember a time before the interwebz

How often do you see women hotter than those in porn? It's not even that they are necessarily attractive but the entire piece coming together is what makes it hot. Where do you see these women and for how long? How close are you to them? How long do you look?

have u ever gone outside my man? jesus christ almighty lol

i fucked a chick who looks exactly like a certain pornstar but desu the irl chick had better tits!

>pornstars are hot/attractive/sexy/beautiful
jesus christ kys

That is fine. None of this is wrong. If you can see it then it is strictly entertainment. However, once it starts to influence your reality then it gets a little weird. Reminds me of 300 and the meme Spartans. The irony of that is that the Spartans were a meme even in ancient Greece but certainly taken up to 11 with people's idea of the warriors being taken from the movie. Or like how pop culture influenced ninja stuff. Or hiw Call of Duty is one big propaganda piece or how that part in CoD4 echoed real life Middle Eastern made up justifications about WMDs. Or how Bugs Bunny made people think rabbits eat nothing but carrots.

sex is hyperreal

>Call of Duty is one big propaganda piece or how that part in CoD4 echoed real life Middle Eastern made up justifications about WMD

>playing the single player campaign in a shooter

shidig lolll

this is how 'culture' or 'history' work, user
everything is a lie or a gross misrepresentation desu

I'm just asking. I go outside once in a while. I see women more attractive than porn stars and I am not even saying I find porn stars attractive but you must admit with all factors (nudity, lighting, make-up, moaning, etc) they are aesthetically pleasing and often appear free of flaws. Like women on magazine covers or in advertisements. It is a manufactured image.

yeah, but any chick can get glammed up like that, it's not like it's some special magic, any chick can watch some youtube makeup tutorials and look good

>actually talking about video games and shit tier meme films.
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ma
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I enjoyed it for what it was and I usually play single player games because I hate the stress of online.

I know nut there is some concrete stuff. Man, I legitimately wonder how much damage media (movies, TV, games, stuff enjoyed by the masses) does to actually credible things. Maybe I just know dumb people but one time my friend and I were talking about his wife and he mentioned he thought she had "Cleopatra eyes" like from that old movie I can't remember the name of. Personally I call the look raccoon eyes but it really showed me that his perception of something as small as a long dead woman's appearance is shaped by a fucking movie.

>male porn actors
>attractive

>they are aesthetically pleasing and often appear free of flaws
try some beer googles
you won't regret it
well, you will, but you're still young and the present is all there is desu

Which is also a false representation of the real self. But what is real if this is all we can perceive? The girl at the convenience store who I think is cute is only cute because of the manufactured appearance that she chose to clothe herself in that day. My reality is twisted by the make-up lie.

>I enjoyed it for what it was and I usually play single player games because I hate the stress of online.

sounds to me like ur a just a lil NOOB with no SKILLZZZZ

jk

or am i

the bible and the quran are full of centuries old delusional sandniggers ramblings shaping our world right now
really makes you think

Yes but these things influence the minds of the masses.

I would prefer not to, desu.

so if u put on deodorant and shaved ur neckbeard then u are presenting a "false appearance" it's called grooming u fucking scrub, get over it

stop it
the make-up lie is cool

you're adorable

Deodorant is actually a pretty good example because the real odour is masked by a facsimile and wasn't even a problem until they started marketing natural smells as something terrible

I would also like to mention that there is a difference in grooming and caking on make-up but you are right as far as outwardly projecting a certain appearance

i hate the shower lie, u see some dude and he seems like a p chill bro cuz he doesn't totally smell like ass after he works out, but then later u find out between pumping iron and getting a protein shake the fucker was actually taking a fucking shower and washing of the sweat! i thought he was just an naturally orderless workout bud, turns out HE WAS DECEIVING ME THE WHOLE TIME!

BEWARE THE SHOWER LIE!

I wish I was as based as Johnny Sinns he looks like he is having good times and fun

ppl have used make-up since before recorded history, stop being a fucking baby

That doesn't change anything I have said

Oh. My. God.

Still trying to find out what is the point of reading Baudrillard where's there Debord.

easier to read?

And I'll never go home again
(Place the call, feel it start)
Favourite friend
(And nothing's wrong but nothing's true)
I live in a hologram with you
Where all the things that we do for fun
(And I'll breathe, and it goes)
Play along
(Make believe, it's hyper real)
But I live in a hologram with you

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Isn't what he calls "modern" a hyper reality where the real was more real than today?

good post

People had good times in the past too. Sometimes people do get along and some of those people are white and amusing times are had.

Sorry, bro, that's just a fact of life. Artists aren't required to make every work a testament to suffering and despair if they want to be valuable or not considered "propaganda."

Some people are pretty happy and paint pretty happy paintings about the life they experience. Not everything is fucking psyops for the inevitable race war.

>authorial intent

I'm not an intersectional, cultural Marxist, continental faggot, so I don't really condone making up fake interpretations of other people's works, throwing the guilt for your ideas onto them, and conjuring up institutional bogeymen to blame for my mental illness.

>if the painter didn't mean his socialist realist painting to be propaganda it's not propaganda

/pol/ is clearly filled with ideologicals though
back in the day everyone seemed much more politically apathetic
it's basically the scientology protests all over again but much more annoying

Well, yes, considering the very definition of propaganda requires intention.

>only artists can have intentions

>tfw you get lost in a pornscape of furries and anime characters with fetishes and bodies completely impossible in the physical world
>tfw you never remember things being any different

It hardly seems logical to believe that people propagandize themselves by looking at paintings that inherently don't mean anything of the sort.

And then the painting and painter is at fault for depicting some part of American life as "too nice."

And then he probably has no recourse to clear his name because the people who are accusing him are subhumans that communicate only in greentext.

Define reality. How is the internet not part of it?

That guy has good tactics.

Look at those girls. They fucking love that some dude had the balls to come up to them and start talking about shit. I'm sure all of the philosophy is going over their heads but that's the kind of thing we need to do lads.

Less fedoras, though.

What drugs are you on?

Just high on reality.

Oh, so you're a natural.

They probably cut the parts where the girls look at him like he was a rapist and walk away.

>tfw you are in a manic phase of your various untreated psychiatric disorders and hopped up on caffeine reading baudrillard and pacing aimlessly around the hallways of the social sciences building having forgotten about the meeting you were supposed to be attending and a cute girl from one of your classes asks what you're reading and you tell her it's baudrillard and she asks what he's all about and you try to explain it but it ends up coming out as a 13 minute long spiel about heidegger and demons trying to manifest in our reality by deluding us into digitizing our minds and creating artificial digital minds and you don't notice she's visibly uncomfortable until several minutes too late

t. brainlet