So what's the big holdup with fusion right now Veeky Forums?
>the entire ITER project costs about the same as one new fission nuclear power plant
>the plan after ITER is to make DEMO, which is LITERALLY the same reactor except 4x the volume
So it's affordable relative to other sources and the greentards don't have a kneejerk reaction to it like they do to fission.
Why aren't we building like 50 of these plants RIGHT NOW?
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Because 1. Tritium is super expensive, like $30,000/g and 2. We haven't found a way to make it produce more power than it consumes
Hahahaha ok i'm drunk, so let's try it.
Politics is warry of the Fusion meme being always 20 years away. That's also why there's no big company investing into it. It's too experimental for them, fission is guaranteed money.
We have already reached Q=1 with ASDEX and the JET.
But you need Q $\approx$ 10 to make the fusion absorb enough energy to sustain itself.
But yes, producing T for D+T is expensive still. Breeding experiments in ITER will show if costs can be decreased.
if you make a fusion-power generator you get a star. They all start out larger than the planet, so you can't actually use one to make energy. You can use one to make quite weapons though, that don't make fallout.
Only one type of object in the entire universe is known to exhibit continuous fusion reactions, and it's the mass of a star. We're trying to create artificial physics here, not tap into limitless zero point energy.
the stars and the sun were never designed to provide humans with power
>the stars and the sun were never designed
Should've ended there.
Because we have to develop a whole bunch of fucking crazy tech to make ITER work.
For example, cryogenic deuterium machine guns to launch fuel and control the reaction(iter.org
>solar
That's half of all life you're talking about there buddy.
Really?
You think the star were designed for life on earth?
>power
it was designed to support life, but it wasn't designed as a fuel source for cars and boats.
It wasn't designed to suport life..
A picture is fact, hence, the sun was designed to support life on our giant space-ship hurtling through space.
No.. Life that started on earth made use of this energy source..
It wasn't designed for life, life adaped to use it.
The sun was made before the Earth, hence it was designed to support life on earth. Whereas every other star in the universe has barren planets. I'd like you to show me this "life that started on earth".
robotic mining on the moon.
though we really don't need He3+He3 fusion now.
funding. for 1/12th the US defense budget. it would increase the fusion funding by 166 times.
Whether it started on earth or not is beside the question. Thinking that our sun is made with life on earth in mind is just religious babble.
putting that money on a sacrificial alter would be more productive than increasing funding for civilian technology
viable commercial fusion power plants would greatly alter the strategic positions of many nations.
natural gas exporters, like the russians and arabs, would see their power diminish.
Japan would no longer need to import fossil fuels and could decommission their old fission plants.
electric trains and EVs would be even cleaner. leading rich western nations to push for them. reducing the need for oil imports/drilling.
>religious babble.
like it's just some story people made up? Hmm, then you should show me this "life that adpted to it [the sun]" if you're ideas are so much better.
albert einstein lost his spark right after relativity despite his massive endowment. If he can't forward these things what hope do other civilian-oriented technologists have? If you want better tech you put it in the defense budget, which started the internet.
energy is a matter of national security.
we built the interstate under the excuse of national security. even though the army would really do most of its moving through the US by train.
>wikipedia
you're a joke
>energy is a matter of national security.
this kind of talk starts opium wars. But to get to your point, we live in a republic, so you have to prove the country gets something back. Fusion has never given the country anything back all th times it has been funded. So why should we fund something that is completely different from infrastructure like roads that provide a service toward the american people.
>a huge snake robot for slithering inside the reactor to replace things
any pics of that thing by chance?
I assumed some one like yourself couldn't handle anything harder. My bad.
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Then we designed cars and boats wrong. It's okay though, we still have time to fix it before the fossil fuels get mined to economic infeasibility.
I dont care what some faggot wrote you're already a hack so just give up. Things don't make themselves just look at all the natural wonders and fibonacchi sequences in nature you joke/.
Bringing up the Fibonacchi sequence and using it as an argument for design made me sure of it.
Nice try.
>life appearing magically and without reason is not a religion
>thinking someone made everything is impossible
lazy socialists waiting for the world to fix itself as usual, enjoy the bloody cloth your kind wear.
It looks something like this. Well at least JET's does.
So many wrong assumptions. Please do some studying before making exaggerated claims based on one or two statements.
Yeah, such a brainlet
i didn't ask for you opinion cunt make your argument show me this life that existed
cleaner air and water. stable energy prices leading to stable prices of everything else. a thriving economy.
it didn't provide any of those things the last time it was funded
no proof it was there all those years ago
It's on the same website.
Go fuck yourself. If you're done with that, go educate yourself.
>read my blog
this is why atheists get no funding
isn't it like
they produce radioactive waste that we don't know how to dispose?
Not that user, but to be fair, time travel didn't become reliable and self-stable until I used the Fibonacci series to make a point about how the natural divergence of timelines makes it almost impossible for any two time travelers to "accidentally" collide with themselves in their minimally decohered shared past.
Nice try. :)
Context is a bitch.
I'm at a loss for why you think you're the only person who has a right to respond to that post.
what is going on here
Sperging out over when I never discussed the concept of design, intelligent or otherwise.
because we haven't actually got to the point of it producing. what did the manhattan and early nuclear research provide? atomic power plants didn't really start providing a benefit until the 70s.
atomic power gave us atomic weapons and prevented wars across the world since WW2 after about 8 years of research. Fusion was given 8 times the budget in the 70's and has given us nothing but pipe-dreams.
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scientists are unproductive government bureaucrats
They are not interested in practical work, only funding their pet scams + extortionate salaries
The real question is whether fusion research funding provides more benefits than fission construction and education (to shut up the retarded hippies blocking a replacement for baseline coal capacity) funding.
>the greentards
found the /pol/itard
We do know how to dispose of it. I'm not up to date on fusion, but as far as fission is concerned, we can reprocess nuclear waste into more fuel, leaving just a fraction of material that needs to be stored, and for a fraction of the time. What's left can be stored securely, and in such a small amount, relatively, it's not a real issue. The only reason it's an issue is politics.
Don't be dense. Power was generated by fission just 10 years after it's initial discovery. Ten years later the first reactor built solely for power production began operating. Fusion research began around the same time, and has yet to yield jack shit.
I like how inbred poltards don't understand that fusion is basically endless energy forever. If anything, it should be on top of the list of research to fund and develop right now.
Our forcefield technology level. We need either that or material that can sustain that heat and pressure.
I'll just leave this here
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Tokamaks, stellerators, and even Farnsworth fusors can sustain continuous fusion reactions.
This is a profoundly retarded appeal to authority. Einstein couldn't kill your parents, but it's still clear that you should never have been born.
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Yeah I did mean to imply "self-sustaining," ie., no help from outside forces. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
>deuterium machinegun
Truly, the future is now.
And now in English, please
god this post is fucking retarded
