Read your shit study. People who eat a lot of meat also don't exercise and are more likely to be smokers. HMMMM

>centuries
I'm talking about how we evolved to eat and digest meat so more on the order of millions of years.
Also technically Indians (hindus) can eat meat just not beef as far as I understand.

^this

It was cooking food? We started eating raw meat before fire was discovered. Chimps eat fucking meat, while gorillas don't. We came from chimps so I actually want to see your citations when you say that PH and chemicals in our stomach match more herbivores than chimps.
African tribes are doing well? kek you really want to compare african tribes? They don't kill their cattle because they respect animals, and we do too, then we give them a quick death

Leave it user, this guys doesn't know shit. He is vegan cause he think it is right, and wants to feel good about himself.

>China study
No one cares.
>Meat was a luxury some centuries ago.
Where? For whom? What a vague, retarded statement.
>Indians don't eat meat because of religion.
>African tribes don't eat meat neither.
Typical incredibly ignorant Vegan posting.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Indian_meat_dishes
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilotic_peoples
????

>B12 is not because of meat, but because of bacteria.
Hilarious, only replying to one of the concerns with something that is spurious.
Shall we continue?
>Calcium:
Biochemist T. Colin Campbell suggested in The China Study (2005) that osteoporosis is linked to the consumption of animal protein because, unlike plant protein, animal protein increases the acidity of blood and tissues, which is then neutralized by calcium pulled from the bones resulting in hypercalciuria.
Campbell wrote that his China-Oxford-Cornell study of nutrition in the 1970s and 1980s found that, in rural China, "where the animal to plant ratio [for protein] was about 10 percent, the fracture rate is only one-fifth that of the U.S."[33]
Calcium is one component of the most common type of human kidney stones, calcium oxalate. Some studies suggest that people who take supplemental calcium have a higher risk of developing kidney stones, and these findings have been used as the basis for setting the recommended daily intake (RDI) for calcium in adults.[34][35][36]
>Iodine:
One study reported a "potential danger of iodine deficiency disorders due to strict forms of vegetarian nutrition, especially when fruits and vegetables grown in soils with low [iodine] levels are ingested."[37]
Vegan diets typically require special attention for iodine, as it is generally only available from sea vegetables and iodized salt and supplements. The iodine content of sea vegetables varies widely and may provide more than the recommended upper limit of iodine intake.[17]
>Iron:
It is recommended for vegans to eat iron-rich foods and vitamin C daily.[38]
However, due to the low absorption rate on non-heme iron it is recommended to eat dark leafy greens (and other sources of iron) together with sources of Vitamin C.[43]
>Choline:
It is recommended for vegans to eat food rich in choline, as plant based sources of choline are limited.[44]
>Cont...

>Cont...
>Choline:
Choline deficiency can lead to health problems such as liver damage, a result of liver cells initiating programmed cell death (apoptosis), as well as an increase in neural tube defects in pregnant women.[46]
n a study, 77% of men, 44% of premenopausal women, and 80% of postmenopausal women developed fatty liver or muscle damage due to choline deficiency, showing that subject characteristics regulate the dietary requirement.[47]
In order to avoid these problems, it's important to meet the adequate intake, especially since many multivitamins do not contain enough choline.[50]

Still not sounding that optimal!
And yet, eating a normal omnivorous, pescetarian or vegetarian diet, you don't have these issues!
It's almost like just eating plant material isn't the right thing either?!

meat isn't our main source of nutrition.
We can eat meat, but is not our main diet.

main diet of chimps isn't meat, faggot.

meat pollute more than cars and waste more water than even industries.

I guess you care about global pollution and enviroment.

dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3317096/Forget-Paleo-try-VICTORIAN-diet-Eating-onions-cabbage-beetroot-cherries-meant-19th-century-people-healthier-today.html

Stay mad, meatcuck.

keep defending the main cause of global warming.

>Victorian diet
So you are saying that meat was a luxury specifically in in the UK during the reign of Victoria? That's a step down from the bold claim that meat was a luxury "some centuries ago," presumably in all parts of the world.

This faggot isn't even replying to actual sources on the Wikipedia page about this moronic diet.
But he'll happily post links to fucking DailyMail.
What has become of Veeky Forums?

Main cause of global warming is CO2 emissions from energy industry (not agriculture)
Agriculture does play a role but the idea is we wouldn't be able to eat meat if we weren't meant to

>vegetarian, pescetarian
I never claimed to only eat plant shit.

I claimed to stop eating meat.
dumbass.

We never eat meat at our modern day levels.

We can still eat ocasionally meat, but meat producess many diseases.

yeah, keep defending those global warming cows, fucktard.
Is not like global warming is also a jew hoax.

Not being the main diet doesn't mean that they will be better without meat, proving my first point, balance, not going full vegan. Again I want to see your citations from the stomach statement, or you just believed your vegfags friends?

Also
>dailymail
you are dumb as fuck, go to Veeky Forums or something.

Then you're not a fucking vegan!
Well done. *clap, clap, clap*

>yeah, keep defending those global warming cows, fucktard.
>Is not like global warming is also a jew hoax.
Maybe, but what has that to do with the countless cited papers in that Wikipedia article?

You are here making claims only stating china study, vegan websites, or daily mail, that being said, I will leave this thread with the advice that if you want to debate, at least use real studies. Stay green and dumb faggot.

You have now gone down from "Why are you not vegan?" to "We can still eat ocasionally meat"
We are doing well.

>We never eat meat at our modern day levels.
Tell that to the transhumant tribes of the Eurasian steppe and South Africa who live off of the blood of cattle and horses.

Or Inuits, who require the meats and fats of animals to survive in their climate?

God said to eat meat. Fuck off Satan.

edition.cnn.com/2015/09/29/opinions/sutter-beef-suv-cliamte-two-degrees/index.html

wrong, cows emit more CO2 than cars.

I'm not claiming to be vegan fucktard.
I claimed eating meat is toxic and produces many diseases.

pic related.
feel free to refute it.

he can't even prove meat doesn't cause more enviromental pollution than cars.

lol

I claimed eating meat is toxic and cause disseases, which they do.

>don't you believe in science

Look at the OP, your OP:
>riseofthevegan.com
>riseofthevegan
>vegan
>Why aren't you vegan yet?
Mhm, that sounds like a capitulation of your bullshit.
And yet, you continue with the hypocrisy after:
>don't you believe in science and evidence?
>Posts a bunch of study related material
>Gets ignored
It sure sounds like you're the one who "doesn't believe in science and evidence".
That's a shame, a real shame.
But once again, what does this have to do with the scientific evidence?

I didn't claimed to be vegan though.
kek

Then what exactly is your argument?
Because it seems to change an awful lot.
Guess what that means?
You don't have an argument.
>*draws rhetoric*
>*teleports behind you*
>tsk, nothing personal brainjin
>*debana-waza and kiai*

>feel free to refute it.
Lions are carnivorous, so that entire section can be ignored.

But chimpanzees are omnivores and... what's this???? Their teeth look similar to humans???? OMG MAYBE THAT UNSOURCED INFOGRAPHIC IS WRONG?? MAYBE THE PERSON WHO WROTE IT ISN'T A PROFESSIONAL COMPARATIVE ZOOLOGIST AND VETERINARY DENTIST? NOOOOO!!!! ENTERWEBS WHY DID YOU LIE TO ME????

REKT

Despite their hunting behavior, however, only a very tiny percentage–perhaps as small as two percent–of a wild chimp’s diet consists of meat or insects.

allaboutwildlife.com/what-do-chimps-eat

>but chimps eat meat

what now meatcuck?

Why did you link ?
Because this most certainly wasn't your original argument with me.

Just for the lulz: ITV peaceful vegans:
>youtube.com/watch?v=SuhXKvxz4-U

impossiblefoods.com

Stay mad meatcuck we can produce meat from plants.

>I'll keep strawmanning, so I don't have to address the health and efficiency concerns that was the real argument, until I decided to stop being vegan mid-thread!
You might have the B12 deficiency neurological damage, because you're certainly retarded.

So they are omnivores, good job admitting your is bullshit.

By the way, what percentage of ancient humans' diet was meat?

REKTing this faggot again.
I think he's trying to strawman that we are advocating for near total carnivorism.
Yet, I advocate a balanced diet.

Which can be solved with suplements.

what now?

a balanced diet is like 5% meat.

or eggs and fishs as protein sources.

Supplements? Sorry I don't think any animals with teeth like yours eat supplements. You'll have to avoid them.

>I need supplements!
Yeah, I just eat the cheaper meat and get the same effect.
Well done, thanks for proving my efficiency standpoint.

>a balanced diet is like 5% meat.
>or eggs and fishs as protein sources.
Shock horror, I'm a pescetarian!
Thanks for stating the obvious.
Guess what, you're still not that vegan you started out as.

Nice strawmen though, too bad I'm not a crow.

impossiblefoods.com/

is basically the same from a nutritional point as meat (B12 and other shit, read thier company page).

stay mad, meatcucks.

>wow, a piscistarian
>still mad you can live with eating insects and fish for those proteins
>mad meatcuck

Once again, proving my efficiency standpoint with another strawman.
You need to learn how to make and place an argument.

>Supplements
pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/supplements-and-safety/

what energy standpoint?

at some point plant based meat will replace real meat.

They're even researching to make meat from test tubes (in vitro meat).

Stay mad meatcucks.

So, it's missing:
>Omega-3 fatty acids
>Calcium
>Iodine
>Iron (possibly)
>Choline
Whoa, so optimal!
Not.
Whereas, I can far more easily and more cheaply (both monetarily and energetically) breed and farm some fish that aren't deficient in those things.
Y'know, without having to go to a lab.

I like how you didn't answer 's supplement standpoint.

Also: SOY
Which contains phytoestrogens and I'm a male, so that isn't a positive either.

>the technology sucks, therefore is impossible for it to improve
>I rather consume something that is destroying the enviroment, filled with antibiotics and growth hormones, strogens and other chemical BS the jews put at the livestock
>I love colon cancer
stay mad meatcuck.

>I have to wait a couple of years (at least) to eat
>Totally optimal and efficient!
Fuck off, you've lost every argument you've had with me.
Even your non-arguments that you decided to make, because you lost the previous one.

>I love colon cancer
Strawman again.
I'm a pescetarian, which means I'm a white meater.

>I rather consume something that is destroying the enviroment, filled with antibiotics and growth hormones, strogens and other chemical BS the jews put at the livestock
[SEE PESCETARIAN]

>I love colon cancer
Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Colon Cancer Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Get a Colonoscopy Like Nigga Get Those Polyps Removed

Also, if you're concerned about xenoestrogens.
You shouldn't be consuming soy, that's for sure ().

>is basically the same from a nutritional point as meat
Then why not eat meat? Either they are different, which means you can't eat them since chimps don't, or they are the same and you can eat meat.

so, you still don't eat meat, which causes disseases.

you still get your protein from animal food that is not meat.

>let's ignore all the antiobiotics and chemicals the jews put in livestock

Fish is meat.

>let's ignore all the antiobiotics and chemicals the jews put in livestock
This is fucking hilarious and pathetic since not only do I eat organic grassfed meat, its made by JEWS

growandbehold.com

>cars
kek

Sure, but people don't consider fish "meat"
also, you can eat insects, which has the same nutrients and is more healthy.

enjoy your disseases, meatcuck.

>he thinks grassfeed meat solves the pollution problem
classic meatcucks.

>muh teeth
BTFO
>muh supplements
>muh imaginary chemicals
BTFO
>muh Jews
BTFO
>muh imaginary diseases
BTFO

>Sure, but people don't consider fish "meat"
They do where I come from.
So, this is semantics.
>also, you can eat insects, which has the same nutrients and is more healthy.
I know, I've looked into this.
But they're also more toxic.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entomophagy#Toxicity

>still can't disprove meat produces more CO2 than cars
BTFO meatcucks.

It doesn't say some species can be edible and fine under regulated farms.

stay mad meatcuck giving more excuses for your meat adiction.

>It doesn't say some species can be edible and fine under regulated farms.
Agreed, but there's still a risk.
To be fair, there is a risk with larger predatory fish and the consumption of heavy metals, though that can be regulated with portion and spacing out those kind of meals with things like haddock.
As for insects, mealworms in an omelette is absolutely delicious, very nutty and earthy.

Grassland beef produces much less GHGs and actually mitigates GHGs from soil microbes by cutting grass.

fao.org/news/story/en/item/197623/icode/

BTFO again.

>huh duh produces less
>still produces 86% more than eating insects and 100% than making plant meat
>huh duh BTFO
kys

>If meat is bad, then why do we eat it?

Holy fuck, I didn't expect this from Veeky Forums of all places.

>don't you believe in science and evidence?

People don't believe in science and evidence. They believe in scoring cheap rhetorical points in their meaningless internet battles.

>if we need meat, then why our teeth, PH, chemicals in our stomatch, lenght of guts, urine acidity, instentinal flora and basically our physique is the same as frugivores and hervibores like horses rather than looking like bears (onminvores) or real carnivores?

This is completely wrong. Our entire digestive tract is very VERY similar to most carnivores and almost completely different from herbivores (starting from the teeth and going on to such things as our COMPLETE inability to digest cellulose, the stuff that ALL plants are primarily made of).

That vegan diet sure made your brain rot, user, rethink your nutritional priorities.
Being vegan is also morally wrong as you are enabling an ideology that wants to destroy the entire biosphere with continuous deforestation (to enable your shitty monocrops) and actively working towards extinction of millions of species. With me eating meat I actually support those species.

>what a poor baby.

>what now fagget?

>Yeah nigger, what now?
>are u going to deny global warming?

>main diet of chimps isn't meat, faggot.
>Stay mad, meatcuck.

>Is not like global warming is also a jew hoax.

>Stay mad meatcuck we can produce meat from plants.

>stay mad, meatcucks.
>>wow, a piscistarian
>>still mad you can live with eating insects and fish for those proteins
>>mad meatcuck

>Stay mad meatcucks.

>stay mad meatcuck.

>>let's ignore all the antiobiotics and chemicals the jews put in livestock

>enjoy your disseases, meatcuck.
>>he thinks grassfeed meat solves the pollution problem
>classic meatcucks.

If eating nothing but plants turns you into this much of an insufferable asshole then I want nothing to do with it.

Only thing you're convincing me is to NOT be a vegan so I'm not associated with failed abortions like you.

>eating foods that contain any cholesterol above 0 mg is unhealthy
Isn't this, you know, wrong?

Your brain is basically 60% cholesterol derived fat. You actually need it. And not too little of it.