Why does the right push the "you don't need college meme" so hard?

>uneducated cheap workers that can't get a job elsewhere so you can push them around as you will

yeah it's a mystery

We have a huge amounts of college graduates with degrees that don't pertain to their careers. People force college down their kids throats, the kids take out huge loans because they're taught they NEED college to succeed, pick up a major like history and never actually go into academia, or do anything with the degree directly, and now their only option is to go into one of those jobs you described in the OP.
Lo and behold, they've wasted four years of their life and up to 100k learning things they'll forget in a year and never will apply their skills. Tuition is ever one the rise and it won't stop until people like OP quit touting higher education for the masses. Higher education should be for the highly motivated and intelligent, not every John, Dick and Harry who can take out a loan.
I agree having a degree will help with landing just about any job, but the question is whether it is a practical investment. I really think the college bubble with burst someday.
Those football ticket sales buy chemistry equipment and shit, user.

Because those brainlets are falling for the same shit that people who push STEM did. Employers want to saturate the job market with workers so they can drive wages down.

Not everyone is functional with a college degree.
The reality is that a good chunk of people will end up either dropping out or not doing anything with that degree due to bad grades.
Might as well be pragmatic and save these poor dumb bastards some money by leading them to a job that isn't just flipping burgers or selling sweaters.

>your body giving out at 45
This is a meme. People who work hard, physically, live longer than those who dont, and are typically in much better shape in their retirement years. Using your body doesnt wear it out, time does.

Because you don't. College is for those that lack willpower. I taught myself math and programming and now I work as a data scientist without ever even signing up for college and I barely passed high school.
>muh fulfillment
The only sense of fulfillment I get from my job is that I'm going to be able to quit working before I'm 30.

>fulfillment
no one actually believes that shit. i ain't getting 6 hours of sleep a night for my engineering degree just to be "fulfilled".

psycho is such a kike science

>my feefees matter more than your science baloney

I've got an apprenticeship as a toolworker, high school diploma and a physics BSc degree atm I'm doing grad school.

I worked in the industry as a CNC machine operator / programmer and even did some freelancing as a toolworker and the way I wouldn't have a problem to return to the job if I wanted to, but physics is just more fulfilling to me and the apprenticeship didn't even require a one semester's worth of work to complete it, so in my experience university was something that really made me grow in all directions even outside of physics. It's heavily dependent on the field you study I'd wager, but college is something most people should experience and learn the most they can from their chosen fields.

>Psycho
>Science

>50+ hours a week
[citation needed]
>your body giving out by age 45.
[citation needed]
>happiness and fulfillment requires (sic) a college degree
Have you ever considered that other people's idea of happiness and fulfillment might not be the same as yours?

Are you seriously this stupid?

The current higher education structure has three primary problems. 1) The Humanities 2) Undergraduate degrees that are irrelevant to the workforce 3) Public schools funded by tax payers churning out graduates with debt prior to beginning a career -i.e. indentured sevice.

The right does not claim we don't need scientists, engineers, and doctors. It claims that we dont need a net negative impact on the economy for the sole purpose of magnifying and perpetuating the agenda of the opposition through the Humanities and Social "Sciences".

To simplify: something like 10% of the population has an IQ below 80. If you're retarded, don't get a humanities education -just go to the library in your free time. Instead, go to trade school and do something productive for society.

Yeah going into massive debt in your 20s is a lot better than earning while learning

You sure convinced me OP

The solution is to never work a day in your life.

Leech on everything you possibly can, but do NOT work.

That's the problem in most universities: they don't. The sports program requires money from tuition to keep itself alive. At best, the sports program is self funding and doesn't give or take a dime.

bravo proving his point

You can actually earn 6 figures with 40-50 hours/week once you've paid your dues. Much more if you're smart and start your own business.

Can we rangeban Americans from Veeky Forums pls, these threads are everywhere and on every damn interest board.

You can earn a whole lot more than 40-50k with a job that doesn’t require a degree, and not just in the US, but in Europe too. Especially if you get a “Master” title as it’s called in Europe and start your own small business. For instance installing heating systems, working in logging (in some areas) or Oil drilling, and lots of other specialisations where there is a shortage of qualified people. It’s often times better than getting a humanities degree and wasting a lot of time and money, though getting a degree in a STEM field or medicine is still usually better

Because you don't need it.

Seriously, math, physics, the internet, pills, electricity, dildos, bubble tee - this is all beta bullshit

While we are the weak faggots who survive by inventing various ways to fuck ourselves up in big concrete cages for six days, Chad and Stacy have good genes and enough "bro"-science to rent a van, vegabond around the globe for 25+ years being a "model" or "surf teacher" from the age of 16, then either accept death or build themselves a home to retire, raise chicken and call it a live.

No idiotic STEM shit needed.

Yes, that's all CGI, am I right? Life can't be this simple.

This guy, he's probably working 80+ hours to better humanity, am I right?

What the fuck are you on about? Very few people actually live the kind of lifestyle you are talking about and they usually have hippyish-type personalities.
>beta
>chad
>stacey
You're spending way too much time on /r9k/ and /pol/ and it's making you delusional.

Lol such idiots, they have build a house for themselves instead of learning quantum mechanics, i bet they even read the bible every sunday? Such losers...

Because they are salty that the left can get free points for having more formal education than them.

Obviously authority is not everything but everyone is more inclined to listen to a PhD than to an illeterate farmer on topics of politics, society, economics etc. the right is really angry that people they don't like get huge audiences and media attention because they have the right connections and qualifications.

The logical solution would be to pick a couple of rednecks and push them to college so that the right can also have their own group of intellectuals that push for right-wing ideals but conservatives are literally too stupid for college so this is unrealistic for them and therefore their only other option is sour grapes and claim that university is actually worthless and that academics do not deserve the attention they get.

Whatever it is that you need to tell yourself to feel better...

>everybody should live and think like me and like the things that I like!!!!!
How ironic, you are the one who actually resemble those in your picture.

this guy gets it. Summarized in 3 beautiful points

1.) Ideological humanities
2.) Useless degrees
3.) Debt

Right wing thinking basically revolves around nostalgia for a vaguely defined golden age. They don't want to accept that times have changed and it's almost impossible to get a decent job without post-secondary education. Instead the solution is to try to bring the country back to the good old days where there was an abundance of good paying factory and mining jobs: Tear up free trade agreements, remove environmental regulations, give tax breaks to industries, etc. It hasn't worked too well and telling people they don't need education because of how they wish the country was is putting the cart before the horse .

You don't. Well, not in my country anyway. You're ore likely to earn more if you put the work into a trade and build up contacts and skills. University takes longer and is more expensive.

>happiness and fulfillment requires a college degree
I know people with no college whatever, who are
a lot more happy and fullfilled than a lot of dismal
college grads that I also know; so your claim is
without merit.

>Psychological Science
>Psychological
>Science

discarded

They are insecure about *all masculinity due to a childhood of being bullied

speaking as one of those who didn't go to college.
for most people that go its useless.

that being said with no one going into trades im making bank so good luck paying off those student debts, while i have a house and normal life. and you can make way more than 50-75k in trades so long as your not a neanderthal. specialize into a sub field of your choice , move somewhere where your in demand and you can name your price

improper form in any labor-intensive career will wreck havoc on your back/ joints. manual-laborlets are destined to injure themselves over time

improper form in office you get carpel tunnel and back issues from sitting down plus weight gain and general issues from being half sedated all day

this, but unironically

i work on fire alarm systems and all manner of low voltage stuff making 70k year at 26 years old.
no college degree. and im still at low end of our payscale.

Rather doubt you or any one in your family has ever actually worked a day in their life and are all pussies

[Citation needed]

its obvious you've never talked to anyone who's worked manual labor.

leave your ivory tower once in a while

He is right though you retard. So is the post directly below his.

Liberal arts colleges house the professors that teach alot of core subjects- psychology, philosophy, anthropology. I think these are integral to helping students understand who they are as a person in society.

college is a waste of time and money unless you are going to actually do something that warrants a college education. Most jobs/careers do not actually need college. Though employers use college degrees as a hiring filter because of the surplus of labor and poor state of k-12 public education.

America has a 20% higher college grad rate on overage compared to the developed world. Even though it is expensive in the US and heavily tax paid for in europe. It is the one thing no one mentions when they talk about how college is "free" in a european country. They don't let C and B students go to college on the govt's dime. Those people go to trade schools. Then have careers and belong to non retarded unions. Europe also doesn't have the snobbery problem that the US does. A german finance banker is generally not going to give a german factory worker shit for being a factory worker.

I'm noticing that the people on the right here are posting well articulated arguments using logic and real world knowledge while the lefty posters are just calling the people on the right stupid. Really makes you think

>Clearly, happiness and fulfillment requires a college degree, and yet so many try to say it doesn't. Why?

Because it doesn't. You're assuming that what gives YOU happiness and fulfillment will do the same for everybody else. That's definitely false.

>I think these are integral to helping students understand who they are as a person in society.
Fuck off with that bullshit. The easiest way to fix the college system in the US would be to make each major only require classes that pertain to the major. For example, a math student should only be required to take math classes, that would reduce the time and cost to get the degree.
But it isn't like that because faggots like you think it is the college's job to make the student a "well rounded" person, even though the only legitimate reason to go to college these days it to be able to make more money.
Doesn't matter to me either way, I actually have some willpower and was able to teach myself enough to get a well paying job without stepping foot onto a college campus.

This

that was a joke post, brainlet

Is Veeky Forums getting raided, or is this place actually a commie shithole? Do I need to watch Richard and Mortimer to post here?

Seriously, not everyone will benefit from going to college. If you're studying something worthwhile, you probably need an IQ of at least 110 to get something out of a college degree, which leaves out about 75% of the population without the option to do so. Also, without all those blue collar workers, society simply wouldn't function.

If anything, there are countless degrees and courses that should be purged from colleges, because they're utterly useless, or exist solely to push a regressive political ideology. People who are intelligent enough should be encourged to go into STEM, considering this is being neglected in the western world. Simply going to college for the sake of going to college is idiotic.

So degrees should only be 2 yr programs consisting of upper level coursework and that the half of the degree that makes a "well rounded student" should be done away with? Maybe required in high school?

Because *heavy mouthbreathing* the liburururuls are created in these institutions - Glenn Beck

Because college isn't for brainlets. Despite what liberals want you to believe, going to university doesn't make you smart. You should only go to uni if you are already smart.

STEMfags at it again with the >muh STEM memes

It is true. I had dumb cunt friends that barely scraped by in high school algebra that went to votech to become a car mechanic. They make $72k/yr and have no debt.

>Because those brainlets are falling for the same shit that people who push STEM did. Employers want to saturate the job market with workers so they can drive wages down.
Ding ding ding.

jesus christ why does everyone bring politics into every fucking thing?

Actually pertaining to OP's question, what are the best trades? With a good amount of job openings and good pay. I'm trying to come up with a back up plan that will lead to a bretty good life if computer engineering/science and the whole college thing just doesn't work out

if you're actually intelligent it doesn't matter what degree you go for. that being said anyone i've encountered in that major is a moron, so i'm inclined to believe that your pic related is an extreme outlier

It requires a good college degree, if you didnt get to somewhere similar to oxbridge, it probably doesnt worth it.

Why does the left push the "every little subject needs a degree and everyone needs to go to some form of college for something even if there's no point whatsoever" meme?

Ah yes, because then they can institutionalize leftist thought into them and create a new class of government debt slaves to boot.

> what are diversity quotas

The "Chief Security Officer" of Equifax was a woman with a background in music

this is why we rail against affirmative action so much, it is going to get people hurt and fail businesses

Why, yes, user, we did in fact have a chance to look over your application to be our next corporate executive. While we were impressed by your technical background in STEM, we simply decided to move forward with another candidate whose background and qualifications better suit the demands of this position. We hope you continue to keep us in mind as you progress in your career!

>gender studies teaches employable skills
like I said. extreme outlier. there are CEOs that majored in philosophy, I'm sure. but by and large CEO types tend to be law graduates, business graduates, or actuaries. but sure, go ahead and be satisfied with your conclusion.

this place has turned into a bit of an "hurr right wingers are dumb lol" rebbit tier place

lots of graduates are unemployable, and not every PhD student gets postdoc work. many go into debt with unemployable degrees. trades are sensible and always in demand, and electricians can take certs and training to become engineers if they really want to, same for machinists and other jobs.

the book "politically correct university" covers how leftist nepotism and the programs from frankfurt school to critical theory to postmodernism have become ideological echo chambers that pushed out conservative and other areas of thought

>everybody decides to go to a trade school instead of college
>competition for pertinent jobs grow by several orders of magnitude and their wages drops due to an oversupply of applicants

I don't get it. Trade school graduates should be on their knees thanking the liberal college meme that made things so good for them.

Pretty much.
I'm a welder and it's only a good thing there are so few of us all in all.

Because not everyone is cut out for college, and we still need technicians. Not every trade will destroy your body by 45, you're thinking construction and unskilled labour.

Everyone doesn't need to do the same thing to have a good life. The fact that everyone defaults to college is just a failure of imagination. Its a substitute for having ideas of things you want to achieve. Does that mean you shouldn't go to college? No, but if you are just on auto pilot there is a problem.

People are speaking out because tons of people have been led to go to college when they are not a good fit.

>So degrees should only be 2 yr programs consisting of upper level coursework and that the half of the degree that makes a "well rounded student" should be done away with?
Yes
>Maybe required in high school?
No

>everybody decides to go to a trade school instead of college
that will never happen, college-age americans are too lazy to flood into a field like that

>thanking the liberal college meme that made things so good for them
we're going to be bailing them out eventually, so it's not going to stay good for long

he is right though

obviously we're talking STEM degrees, not humanities. Who in the world would advocate opinions like: 'it's good that everyone is majoring in social science'? If your point is that there are too many students majoring in useless programs, congrats, so does every left winger too. Apart from those (probably very lefty) students, of course.

What makes you think Veeky Forums is right in any way? Do you have any idea the demographic of scientists and engineers? You're don't know what you're talking about.

>decent (40-50k) salary
what the fuck US? Here that's the salary of medical doctors.

Stupid commies

>too lazy for a trade so opt for a STEM degree where you musts study non-stop with all the workload

Imagine unironically being this ignorant of someone else's line of thinking.

>studying and writing reports
>hard work

trying to write a paper on something that millions of others have written papers. all without getting caught up by the robot or TA for plagiarism.

I had friends from high school in other colleges. we basically shared each other's papers and any code we wrote. reducing the work each individual had to do because we usually got out of one paper a semester, each.

Cry about it you little pussy

Most people can't make the cut in a STEM degree either.
No one is gonna wanna hire some guy that makes it through an engineering or compsci program with a 2.1 gpa and no recommendations.
That said, this kind of person has a far better chance at have a worthwhile life being a certification monkey or going into a trade.
Do you really think everyone could make it through a stem degree?

What really makes me think is how you assume somebody is left or right jusst because his post fits your left/right narrative.

Can't believe brainlets like this lurk Veeky Forums