Why do science retards here deny that nutrition is more important to health and cure diseases than what their masters...

so this is the power of dunning kruger effect

some of them yes, or at least that can be a significant risk factor, but for the most part they're caused by other things, and in any case they're best treated by modern medicine

why do you keep changing your argument?

medicine doesn't cure a lot of disseases.

you can't cure lyfestyles diseases with chemicals and surgery.

What is going on in this image? Is Brian actually trying to challenge Chad?

medicine can cure far more diseases than whatever random herbal bullshit you find on a naturopath blog supported only by unconfirmed anecdotes and nonsensical hand-waving

lifestyle choices make only so much difference, you're still going to get sick and you're still going to have to be treated by modern medicine if you want to stay healthy

98% of all diseases are lyfestyle choices (no excersise, shit diet).

Nice citation, soyboy

Tell me more about how Steve Jobs cured his cancer by eating fruit.

youtube.com/watch?v=p3V3TITSDxc

you can prevent cancer and not wait until you get one though.

no they're not, you're a complete idiot

youtube videos aren't proof of anything

>nah you're an idiot
>doesn't want to learn nothing

>he doens't even know about food as medicine movement

how do you cure hemorroids without nutrition?

Because no matter how much science you have it wont stop fat people from eating fatty food. Nutrition for the most part is literally just Calories in Calories out so it isn't hard to understand.

medical knowledge comes from medical journals, not unsourced, unverified claims on fucking youtube

Are you a scientist/student of science?

hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/disease-prevention/

Veeky Forums faggot who spend too much time watching nutrition videos on youtube.

>Nutrition for the most part is literally just Calories in Calories out so it isn't hard to understand.
It really isn't, though. That's neglecting the role of things like gut flora and hormones.

If you had the tiniest bit of reading comprehension abilities, you'd realize that you can only reduce the risk of disease, not eliminate it. Any doctor or pharmaceutical company employee will tell you that you can reduce the risk of heart disease and certain cancers through lifestyle changes, but if you live long enough you'll almost certainly still have heart disease, a stroke, cancer or dementia. To a large extent this amounts to just bad luck.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study

then why african countries have almost no rate of cancer and other illness yet americans have 12x higher risk of cancer than africans?

Lol. You're fucking retarded.

>you can prevent cancer and not wait until you get one though.
One whole cancer is too much for your miracle diet to beat.

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explain why disseases rate plumbeted in norway when the nazis took their livestock and they had to survive using plants?

isn't smarter than to treat cancer more like actually preventing it?

Everybody is aware of the health benefits of exercise and nutrition. However, most people just don't give a fuck and end up getting sick sooner or later. That's when the pharma industry comes into play offering medicines and treatment options to cure the disease. Nutrition plays a role in prevention, but once you got fucking cancer diet alone won't help you.

You mean the place with all the aids and malaria? Pretty sure they get less cancer by dying before they would get it.

Americans live long enough to get more cancers, for one thing.

explain why I shouldn't treat my future disseases by not eating green, droping soda, jew food and doing more exercise?

yeah, kids with diabetes type II and other illness is so much better.

Eating a healthy diet can reduce your risk of getting cancer, the way you put seems to make the claim that your diet will prevent you from getting the vast majority of illness and that the source of almost all illness is somehow our diet. This is clearly not the case. Diet does have an impact for sure and a healthier diet is good but the people who claim to have a plant that's better at curing cancer than chemo therapy despite not being tested need to stop or submit their plants for scientific study.

medicaldaily.com/who-confirms-eating-meat-causes-cancer-how-did-once-healthy-food-become-so-deadly-358944

It is, they live a lot linger with a much higher quality of life thanks to access to medical Carr despite how poorly they may treat their bodies.

then why countries that have no western diet has almost no cancer rates?

>Nutrition plays a role in prevention, but once you got fucking cancer diet alone won't help you.
And importantly, lifestyle factors play only a limited role in cancer risk. Much of it is genetic or just random bad luck. Many cancers have nothing whatsoever to do with diet or exercise.

Steve Jobs had a very healthy lifestyle and still got terminal cancer.

Is that even a response? Cirilation does not equal causation dude. Show me where the link is.

>explain why I shouldn't treat my future disseases by not eating green, droping soda, jew food and doing more exercise?
Because it's generally not effective.

I'm literally in anger I'm not morbily obese like americans.

>limited role
>countries without cancer rates started to get cancer when american diet started to appear
>cancer rates plumbeted in norway when nazis took their livestock in WWII
wow, I love ideology.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study

He obviously has no scientific literacy, reading comprehension or critical thinking skills...

k, we get it now, you're terminally retarded and don't even speak English, bye

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121650/

wow, I hate science now.

This is untrue. Stomach cancer is rampant in the East- Korea, Japan, China. In third world countries, where the cancer rate legitimately is low, it's because- shocker- far more people fucking die of infection.

OP, we can't take you seriously if you can't even fucking spell correctly.

cdrwww.who.int/nutrition/publications/public_health_nut6.pdf

Regarding The China Study
> Hall argued that the book had references which do not support directly the claims made by the authors. She also stated that the book does not explain the exceptions to his data—for example that "stomach cancer rates are higher in China than elsewhere in the world" or that there are cultures whose diet includes high intake of animal protein, such as the Maasai people and the Eskimos, but that do not have the health issues described by the authors
>The Italian Association for Cancer Research states on its web-site: "The China Study mixes correct suggestions and data (like those on the relationship between the consumption of red meat and the development of some tumours) with others of a more imaginative nature: for this reason the text is insidious, as well as unreliable".[16]
>Wilfred Niels Arnold, professor of biochemistry at the University of Kansas Medical Center, reviewed the book in Leonardo in 2005: "[T]he authors anticipate resistant and hostile sources, sail on with escalating enthusiasm, and furnish a working hypothesis that is valuable. In fact, the surprising data are difficult to interpret in any other way."[13]

Dude, do you even read things or do you just parrot whatever seems to support your intuition? You clearly have no idea about how science is done. You might as well argue in favour of astrology.

Not that retarded guy but stomach cancer is also mostly linked to diet. Asian countries eat more salted foods, and sometimes also certain vegetables (bracken) which are carcinogenic.

But it's important to note that these are part of the traditional diet, not related to modern lifestyles or processed foods.

health.harvard.edu/blog/new-study-links-l-carnitine-in-red-meat-to-heart-disease-201304176083

>Dude, do you even read things or do you just parrot whatever seems to support your intuition?
The answer to that is obvious.

Also there are many diseases like hepatitis b that contribute to cancer risk in developing countries.

actually I shouldn't have said mostly; it's partly linked to diet

>So, case closed—don’t eat red meat? Sorry, nutritional science isn’t that simple.
Literally from the article you linked. At this point you're just fucking with us.

I think OP is trying to argue that preventing disseases is a much better idea than curing them.

oh the carnitine one is really suspect all the way around; the apparent culprit there is TMAO, but it's cleared from the body quite quickly, and anyway the biggest dietary contributor to high blood TMAO levels is fish, which is well known to reduce the risk of heart disease

the problem is that the papers that get the most attention are often really tentative; to assume they're some well established recommendation is a huge mistake

>consistently misspelling the same word
yeah, you're not fooling anyone

Everybody knows that. The problem is that preventing disease is not as simple as the OP is making it to be.

youtube.com/watch?v=p3V3TITSDxc

Veeky Forums BTFO

>It's not
It is. In the first world the biggest by far indicator of nutrition related health is obesity. That is all that really matters for the most part.

No, it is more complicated. Eat 2000 calories of cane sugar each day and get back to me.

Even that poor dog is overweight lmao

It depends on the cancer. OP is fucking retarded, but we wouldn't tell people it's ok to smoke because you might get lung cancer anyways and if you do we have medicine to treat it.

The point though is that even the most extreme lifestyle changes will only reduce your lifetime cancer risk by a limited amount. Whether you do or don't get a disease is largely not under your control.

Not OP. It's not, but in America our diet does contribute to a lot of preventable disease, and fixing our nutrition is arguably more immediately important currently, in the US from a public health standpoint, than finding new miracle drugs.

But by reducing the lifestyle diseases killing nearly a million Americans it lets people live longer and healthier before they contract a disease that is actually out of their control.

good luck trying to make uneducated poor fat retards exercise and eat properly

You are thinking of prevention.
The cure is always the worst option.

>medical training
you fucked up here.