This may fall within the realm of social science or even anthropology, but I am seriously questioning about rather or not genders roles aren't a product of the media and marketing. Before the dawn of civilization our gender roles were biology based, even if we didn't know what biology was in detail, women did work according to their body mass and so did the men. This was why men usually did the harder jobs like hunting, lumberjacking, and war while the women did the more gentle work such as gathering, cooking, and childbirth.
But it seems like the more a society advances the more these gender roles stop becoming based around biology. I mean, there was a gender role that stated that girls have to wear makeup and look pretty. This seems to be changing now since a lot of men are willing to admit that they wear makeup. Yet the notion that makeup is only for women remains. There really isn't that huge of an issue with a man putting some shit on his face yet we view it as morally wrong. A part of me has to question if this is due to advertisements that promote a certain way of thinking in humans. Someone sees an advertisement for makeup and see how there is only women in the commercial then they automatically assume that is a product for women.
Sometimes it seems like "gender equality" may be more profitable because it expands the demand for a product. This is why I am starting to believe that this whole equal pay shit would blow over as soon as the advertisers are ready for it to blow over. Since all they have to do is make new ads targeting both women and men's perspectives of what is masculine and what is feminine by targeting those gender roles they helped maintain throughout the centuries. I might be talking out of my ass though, but for some reason it did seem like gender roles aren't something biological, anymore, and something that is molded by good marketing and the media which is backed by marketers. I think I might be high.
With the age of information, man has risen up to more than a primitive hunter, but yet held some of the habits. If the media starts advertisting make-up as something acceptable, it will become so with enough time. But this is the limit. The media didn't pull all of make-up or shit outta ass.
Robert Cruz
Biologically each gender still feels gratification based on its role even if the society changed. This is the reason there more men in STEM, women dont feel as men when dominating science/men their motivations are different.
Colton Lee
They used to be, but they are now obsolete
Henry Nelson
So how come there are men who feel gender gratification when doing the woman associated work like raising children? How come there are any women in STEM at all? Shouldn't there be none if gender roles are hard coded into our biology?
Alexander Roberts
>Why theres not only black and white instead of gray
Because I talk about statistical trends, its not a dichotomy. Of course there are a minority of feminine men and masculine women
Jeremiah Butler
Simples mate, bugger all biological evolution can happen within the miniscule timespan of our recent exponentially rapid societal evolution. You just can't compare human society today with anything further back than a few hundred years.
I've never met a guy who'll wear makeup, but I know they're out there, women put their looks higher on their mental priority list than men because that's largely all the need to spread their sexy genes.
Most general observations of trends within society have an evolutionary basis especially with gender roles, men and women are so different physically and not just in regards to reproductive organs but also men are better fighters having larger hands and broarder shoulders for leverage, because for males the ability to defend oneself or take advantage of someone else was a major selective pressure in not just deciding if you're gonna live to adulthood but also make a contribution of your DNA to the genepool.
SJW faggots just get away with pretending men and women are precisely the same mentally because the human brain isn't as well understood and psychology is more difficult to decipher than simply observing physical traits.
Gender roles are biological, marketing follows where demographics put their money and that is based on our subconscious biology that also informs the way we form our cultures and many other decisions, basically we're animals that have a narcissistic assumption that we're above the whims of natural instinct.
Bentley White
>women put their looks higher on their mental priority list than men because that's largely all the need to spread their sexy genes. I remember the days when men just took the woman they want to fuck. The woman didn't have to worry about her appearance when she was being raped everyday and put in her place.
Bentley Diaz
>men and women are so different physically and not just in regards to reproductive organs but also men are better fighters having larger hands and broarder shoulders for leverage, because for males the ability to defend oneself or take advantage of someone else was a major selective pressure in not just deciding if you're gonna live to adulthood but also make a contribution of your DNA to the genepool.
So then how come there exists women who are fighters? If that is exclusive to men then shouldn't there be no female fighters whatsoever?
Also, what may cause a man to often times feel gender confused and vice versa? Dr. Shaym says it's because their brain chemistry matches that of the opposite sex, but what about those who's brain chemistry is somewhere in-between?
> Gender roles are biological So about the gender roles that do relate to biology at all? How are they created?
Gabriel Walker
Yes the man does all the work and the woman is the slave who spawns babies this is how it has always been. Women literally cannot survive without men.
Hudson Gutierrez
Yes they did, people don't have sex with anyone (though thirsty betas today sure do). Like everything, there are selective pressures in attraction and preference. It's not random, mate selection is important.
Chase Cooper
Yes, because we produce vastly different levels of hormones.
Males produce TWENTY TIMES as much testosterone, on average. Because we have testicles. This is why we have beards, lower voices, denser muscle, more upper body strength, etc. And it's why we don't have tits etc.
Testosterone also affects the brain - it makes men worse at empathy, more aggressive and competitive, better at spatial awareness, usually more interested in mechanical objects and understanding systems. Women are better with empathy, they learn language quicker (and they speak a lot more too). And they're generally more interested in people.
Lincoln Ross
Stop trying to find excuses for why you lack basic human empathy, dumbass.
And testosterone has nothing to do with a person's hobbies like tinkering with mechanical devices.
Did you know that some men can develop breasts? Uh huh huh huh.
Logan Hall
>Women literally cannot survive without men.
So if a woman was lost in the wilderness somewhere alone without the aid of a man then she would die instantly? Basic survival instincts wouldn't kick in regardless of the person's biological sex?
Ayden Jackson
Because genetic variance is a vital part of evolutionary survival and there are more people alive now than the entirety of recorded human history.
Why the fuck do people have such difficult with generalizatikns and nitpicking outliers? I'm sure there are people out there who can safely digest rotting meat like a vulture, doesnt make it normal or healthy for anybody else.
Camden Thomas
As I already said, genetic variance is a fucking thing and the basis of evolution and evolutionary survival. The sub 1% of abnormally strong women or women who actively enjoy fighting does not represent or negate the norm until we reach a point where women being the strong aggressive sex becomes so desirable that they massively outbreed everyone else.
Im fucking tired of people saying "this aspect of humanity is a false generalization because 2% of the population is different". No. Thats not how it fucking works.
Daniel Wood
Is this a troll or just an idiot.
Zachary Thompson
We aren't digital. Human emotions and gender is defined, as far as I understand, mainly with chemicals. Of course there are men who produce very little testosterone. But most don't.
Angel Phillips
>There really isn't that huge of an issue with a man putting some shit on his face yet we view it as morally wrong.
your persecution complex is showing
nobody cares if you want to wear makeup. they will think it's a little weird though, because it is.
Samuel Sanders
I don't know whether he's a troll or an idiot - probably both.
2. Saying "testosterone has nothing to do with a person's hobbies like tinkering with mechanical devices" is just not true, given the current state of scientific research on this matter.
Androgens (testosterone) have been found to affect the way that babies behave ON THEIR FIRST DAY OF LIFE, before any socialisation has occurred:
>An independent line of research has shown that sex differences in preference are also found in neonates, with more newborn girls showing preference for a real female face over a mobile made from a scrambled face picture on a mechanical ball (36% versus 17% of the sample), but more newborn boys showing the opposite preference (43% versus 25%; Connellan, Baron-Cohen, Wheelwright, Batki, & Ahluwalia, 2000). Although the largest group of newborn girls tested in this study showed no preference (47%), the authors concluded that these sex differences in attention toward social versus non-social stimuli have a strong innate component, since they are present at birth, and that they are then reinforced by social influences. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3766397/
Henry Mitchell
>I mean, there was a gender role that stated that girls have to wear makeup and look pretty
Is that a gender role?
>yet we view it as morally wrong Morally?
> "gender equality" may be more profitable because it expands the demand for a product
Profitable?
user... its a social perception about gender, not a gender role, your role is not "wear make up" but rather that you have the option to do so, this falls more under the lines of protocol.
Then this is clearly not morally related; if I were to wear skirts there is nothing wrong or right with is just that is not seen as socially acceptable with culture.
And profits are unrelated to this, do you really think that if both sexes would wear make up companies would make more? Nope, they will just keep marketing to the population sectors that do that, capitalism doesn't care about gender just clients and since no one forces you to do so the profit margin doesn't depend on gender equality but rather on your ability to shape culture and aim well your target population, so is not that you are losing 50% of your market is that you are aiming at the other 50% trying to reach 100% full use, otherwise everything is much more distributed and you are losing focus on your marketing campaigns.
Nathaniel Peterson
Keep your shit out of Veeky Forums, science and MATH
FUCK OFF
Jayden Jenkins
Did science just manage to identify future channers at birth?
Dear god, what has man wrought
Adrian Anderson
this gtfo, this has nothing to do with science
Asher Murphy
No. That study just shows that when 1-day-old babies are shown a mechanical object and a face, the babies with higher prenatal testosterone levels (usually the males) spend more time looking at the object. Those with lower levels spend more time looking at the face.
Testosterone isn't the ONLY thing responsible for differences in behaviour between the sexes. Socialisation plays a role too. But hormones are certainly a very important factor. In animals, those injected with testosterone during their gestation period show a more masculine behavioural pattern after birth.
Pic is just one of the slides from that link. A higher score on the y-axis shows that a child shows more of a preference for "systemising" than "empathising". This pattern of behaviour correlates with higher prenatal / foetal testosterone levels ("fT" on the graph).
But it's just one of the many pieces of evidence that support the idea that testosterone plays a role in masculinising the brain.
Brandon Carter
A single human cant survive anywhere you fucking retard, there is a reason why we lived in tribes.
Camden Robinson
Some humans probably can survive in the wild - some people do, for TV shows and stuff.
Depends if you can adapt and make it work.
Depends if a lion eats you or not.
But obviously if you are truly on your own then you will never reproduce, and you will eventually die just like anybody else.
Samuel Adams
>what are outliers
Ryder Wood
Yes no matter how much some bitch with pink hair screams otherwise. /thread.
Gabriel Cruz
>Depends if a lion eats you or not.
unlikely way for a human to die. most of you would probably die from dehydration after shitting your brains out because you ate something poisonous or drank bad water.
