IQ distribution

How much does race influence intelligence?

Is IQ an accurate measure of intelligence?

How much does childhood development and social norms effect IQ?

Is popular society in denial?

Is equal treatment of the races justification for hiding the truth?

Discuss

>inb4 go back to /Pol

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Rights are not contingent upon intelligence, so I don't know what the last question is about.

The unique thing we know about races is that Amerindians had a higher development rate compared to europeans. In other words, Amerindians are superior to europeans.

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>How much does race influence intelligence?
Probably a fair amount
>Is IQ an accurate measure of intelligence?
Of a certain kind of higher-level mental ability, yes
>How much does childhood development and social norms effect IQ?
A little bit
>Is popular society in denial?
Yes
>Is equal treatment of the races justification for hiding the truth?
Yes - we should be able to discuss the truth without people getting butthurt, but we can't. If it turns out that some races are genetically more intelligent, that doesn't necessarily mean we have to treat the races differently. But people are so afraid of that outcome that they refuse to accept an evidence-based enquiry into this issue. They'll say "WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO DO THAT, ARE YOU RACIST????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????"

I think he's saying "does society use the principle of equal treatment in order to deny a dispassionate scientific investigation into this question"

And I think the answer to that question is "yes"

>be amerindian
>get absolutely buttfucked by europeans, who literally STILL run every single country in the americas
Lool

Equal treatment =/= rights

The idea is that if children know Blacks/Browns are on average less intelligent than Asians/White then they will development bias.

Wow, what an original and refreshing topic. Sometimes around here we get threads that have been made a million times and are easily accessible through the archive for those who've missed it, but I can tell this is not one of them. I can't wait to read through the amazing discussion that this post will most surely sparkle!

>How much does race influence intelligence?

We don't know, but probably not a lot or not at all. Nobody has ever done a study that controls well for socioeconomic and educational differences between races. The difference we see in IQs between races could be entirely explained by upbringing. We just don't know.

>Is IQ an accurate measure of intelligence?

No. It only measures logical reasoning(and doesn't necessarily do a great job of it), which is just one part in a spectrum of various forms of intelligence.

>How much does childhood development and social norms effect IQ?

A lot. IQ and test scores correlate heavily with wealth status, for example.

>Is popular society in denial?

In denial of what?

>Is equal treatment of the races justification for hiding the truth?

What the hell are you talking about? Please go away/

I am going to give you a quick example

>Humans are VERY SIMILAR TO EACH OTHER BIOLOGICALLY THE SAME, THE ONLY THING IT CHANGES ARE SOME COMBINATION OF GENES LITERALLY 99,9% EQUAL


Then you have two different environments, will describe both of them to you:

>One is less likely to have a male parental figure, and of those who have it are more likely to be extremely bad
>Had his ancestors been though hell in all levels of society
>People are less empathetically
>People are more violent
>Society expects very little of you

Therefore, even if a person has the right "combination of genes" to be smart and think far ahead, so you think they are going activate these? or the live quickly, reproduce and be violent?

In evolutionary terms it has more advantages being the last one, donĀ“t you think? why do you think the "modern thinkers" turn into little bitches in the hood?

And then you have the other one:

>People have more structure, to the way they eat, to time to go to bed, even in schools
>Society expects great things of you
>you are raised hearing stories of how your ancestry did a lot of shit
>People who are violent get instantly shuttled down, so you all learn this is a very bad behavior
>You have a culture of people pleasing(why? because it offers more advantage in the long term, which ironically kind does not work but whatever)

If the person on this environment has the right combination of genes to be the greatest warrior ever, do you think they will be Activate? or instead he will learn how to think more far ahead, have empathy, and all that shit?

Like this guy said, IQ relates more to wealth then anything else. Sweden couples who adopt people from different countries, the children will very likely have the same IQ of their partners of school, then anything else.

>How much does race influence intelligence?

We don't know. We can attempt to find out, but we will probably gain nothing.

>Is IQ an accurate measure of intelligence?

Define "intelligence".

>How much does childhood development and social norms effect IQ?

A lot. Our genes still determine the outcome in the end, though.

>Is popular society in denial?

"Popular society" is uncertain term. From my current position, there is no way for me to even comprehend if these are specific people you refer to, or just people that are not yourself. The only person whose true opinions you are aware of is yourself.

>Is equal treatment of the races justification for hiding the truth?

There is no such thing as "equal treatment of races". There is equal treatment of humans, out from a consensus of what a human is. Mostly this is based on the appearance of a biped walking upright with a conscious mind capable of expressing the conscious mind through sound signals or sign language. The consensus could very well be extended if the criteria was changed slightly, such as gorillas(some are apparently capable of sign language), whales(they might be more "conscious" than us, with far larger brain allowing for far deeper neural nets).

XD Thanks!

Adding one thing else...
>BUT MY ASIANS
Asians are trained since little to take IQ tests in different form, their society presents less empathy and more "logic".

If Asians were the masters of the world they would have colonize it(and Europeans only did colonize it because of favoring factors).

It is easier to cross the Atlantic then the pacific, and the ottomans made sure the Europeans did not had any way elsewhere...

>BUT WHY DID NOT THE AFRICANS DID IT?

Sub Saharan desert totally disconnected Africans from the rest of the world, while Europeans were having exports from China, Middle east, Persia and basically everywhere, they barely could receive anything, and the soil of Africa is, lets say one of the worst to use in agriculture(which is a cornerstone on civilization, not diamonds, gold, salt or marble as some /pol/tards tend to believe).

Therefore, the europeans were the most likely to colonize

A race will always remain superior.
>be eurangutan
>get 1 disease
>get 40% wiped out and invaded by nomads

>be Superior Amerindian
>get 20+ diseases
>get 90% genocided, yet survives and some subhumans mongrelized you in the process
Amerindians had a higher developmwnt rate compared to europeans. Amerindian superiority is a historical fact. Try again, monkey.

This board is really bad, I cannot begin to imagine how much debt you people are in.

>The difference we see in IQs between races could be entirely explained by upbringing.
Vague statements like that are worthless even outside of science, also the current consensus is that IQ is influenced by genes.
>It only measures logical reasoning
Wrong. Don't make assertions like that if you never saw a real IQ test.
>A lot. IQ and test scores correlate heavily with wealth status
What do you hope to conclude from this? Do we base our conclusions on correlation now? Which correlate comes first?
>hurr muh slavery
What about Africans in Africa? They are dumber than black Americans.
>>you are raised hearing stories of how your ancestry did a lot of shit
Yes, that's why whites have higher IQs. What a retard you are.
You don't need access to the "rest of the world" to advance beyond hunting and gathering while dwelling in mud huts. Also, Africa is huge. No single tribe is spread out over the whole subcontinent below the Sahara to a degree that it's relevant that on a continental level there is less arable land in Africa than elsewhere. Believe it or not, but even in Europe people settled around rivers and waters. Your "favoring factors" are nothing but an explanation for why Europeans advanced at a different rate than Africans. You believe the difference in environmental factors for single people within their short lifespans accounts for the difference in IQ. Try to be consistent and take into account the difference in environmental factors between two continents, on a population level, over several thousand years.

Yes. All people should know that Amerindians are superior to europeans.
Wrong. Amerindians had a higher development rate compared to europeans. In other words, Amerindians were superior to europeans.

Better a borrower than a brainlet.

Post Genocide Ameriindians are useless so they were superior

Jesus this argument sounds like some mom that has a kid of every race and is trying to say whatever bullshit she can come up with to make them get along. Yeah Tyrone stole your gum and can dunk at 15 and Kenji got an A on his math test he didn't even study for. You dont need to go off on a tangent and speculate bullshit that cant actually be measured because that frees you up to make up whatever you want and no one can prove it right or disprove you shit go start a religion dick.

>How much does race influence intelligence?
Not at all however the genes that do result in higher intelligence are more likely to be found in whites or asians
>Is IQ an accurate measure of intelligence?
Its not bad
>How much does childhood development and social norms effect IQ?
Development effects it slightly, norms do not
>Is popular society in denial?
Yes, proven by affirmative action
>Is equal treatment of the races justification for hiding the truth?
No we should be able to state facts and draw conclusions about groups of peoples without being exiled from society. One reason blacks are more violent in the US than other groups is genetics people should know this.

ok, how different are standard deviations for each race? do the asians have a very small SD?

THE ANSWER:

There is no evidence that IQ is completely determined by racial genetics. Understanding and the accumulation of knowledge involves the development of paradigms within a society. The divide in IQ between races you see is actually a cultural and socioeconomic divide.

Unless you are neanderthal, autistic, or have some other disability, you have the genetics to develop a brain. good sleep, good health, good nutrition foster brain development. Good habits, good teachers, and good resources foster learning.

You can learn anything. You. You fucking loser. You can learn anything. If you are black or hispanic let this encourage you. If you are white, know that you are stupid and yet you still can learn to become einstein or any of the many many famous white scientists. If you are asian, then you know i'm correct. work hard play hard. not even just science, but anything. We can all become anything. pursue science and art, peace and longevity for humanity. humanity will outlive racism. stay in good health. material pursuits optional.

HUMANITY WILL OUTLIVE RACISM. THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS SAYS WE'LL ALL BE MIXED RACE IF WE SURVIVE LONG ENOUGH

This is bait, right?

Nah. Amerindians have shown a higher development rate compared to europeans. That means Amerindians are superior to europeans.

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>There is no evidence that IQ is completely determined by racial genetics.
And LITERALLY NO ONE EVER ARGUED THAT. You are trying to debunk a strawman, no sane person has ever claimed that environment is irrelevant.

>THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS SAYS WE'LL ALL BE MIXED RACE IF WE SURVIVE LONG ENOUGH
And you are illiterate about thermodynamics.
We will create entropy, through killing all the niggers and with that reduce the entropy in the white race. See? I can abuse thermodynamics too.

Even if blacks on average are dumber than whites/Asians, that doesn't justify removing their human rights. If anything the right to political determination should hung on an IQ test, not race.

Conspiracy theories belong on /x/ and /pol/,

The science on this has been all but settled. The only fallback science deniers have is that "science is a liberal/jewish conspiracy to cover up the truth, and only my internet memes are smart enough to interpret the truth!"

Racists won't accept that because most of them are uneducated. Racism only exists because it attracts losers that want to feel superior to others. This is why all of these posts come from /pol/, along with other science denial like climate change posts. It's also why most racist groups do most of their recruiting from prison.

Shit I guess Amerindians ARE superior to orangutans. Learn something every day

Is this graph suggesting that hispanics are separate from whites?

it was the spanish and portuguese that first colonized and established the slave trade in africa and the new world. It was the spanish that conquered both the Aztecs and Incans. It was both the spanish and portuguese that spread their disease to the natives.

So if this graph is correct. It was not the white man that first discovered the west indies and by extension. It was not the white man that killed off millions of natives and thousands of african slaves.

>the genes that do result in higher intelligence are more likely to be found in whites or asians

Post them

*Pre genocide Ameindians have shown higher development rate compared to Europeans.
Post genocide amerindians are alchoholics and nothing more.

No you fucking idiot, the colonizers had sex with the native population. That's where you get Hispanics from.

roman colonizers having sex with the native population of Hispania created Hispanics that we have today.

Thats literally why they are called hispanics. comes from the region's latin name

Just curious, you do know that "rights" are a social construct, right?

how many fucking times has question this been asked
nobody here can give you an answer because you need to read 100s of papers and 10-20 books across neuroscience, population genetics, behavioural genetics, evo psych etc
thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/the-existence-of-race/
some decent stuff here that's all cited but if you want to get to the point where you can actually debate these things with people then you need to read 100s of research papers