Is the education system a failure?

>Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, you yourself were not smart enough to learn and/or were too lazy?
Yeah, me and everybody else in class who wanted to shoot their brains off while studying it because it's a pure waste of time and we'd be much better off practicing programming or sysadminning

The purpose of the modern educational system is indoctrination and forced participation, via debt peonage. This is also the reason young, single people are taxed much more heavily. Youth must be kept occupied on surviving and learning the system until they're old enough to be less apt to organize and rock the boat. An older person will only risk rocking the boat if they know they can and should rock it all the way. There are apparatus in place to inhibit this as well.

In them olden days education was also a form of indoctrination, but by the rich, for the rich. Commoners brought in were generally groomed for other purposes, and if you follow the money trail, it tends to be the woman's money. A male marrying such a woman is a good predictor of his subsequent political or industrial success.

Same shit, different era. It's not called the "state" for nothing.

School is very successful at its intended purpose, which is slave training. You are conditioned throughout your early life to get up when you don't want to, go somewhere you don't want to go, and do something all day that you don't want to do. Refusal is illegal. You learn to obey orders, respond to bells by hurrying through mazes, and do your assigned work. You are evaluated for your appropriate lifetime of labor and trained to perform any specialties you might be good at. If all goes well you are expected to seek out a position where you toil every day until you are no longer able to work. You are also expected to attend a refresher indoctrination session once a week, at which you are reminded of the importance of obeying your omnipotent master. All of this makes a small number of other people very wealthy and powerful. They make sure that this wonderful system never changes.

Lol I take philosophy classes because I will control you and I need critical thinking. you don't, go learn JS now

this has to be the most fedora post ever.

Small history lesson:
The current system came to be as a result of prussia losing a war wtih the french cause the soldiers where thinking for themself and choose to abandon formation to save themself instead of obeying orders when dead was at risk which carried into only greater losses and lost them ultimatively a war that should be won. That loss was a disaster for them as prussia was a mercenary country. This triggered a reformation of the school system to make soldiers more obedient, they set it into different levels where the lowest education wasn't meant to teach anything beyond what's necessary to follow orders while higher education was meant to fill leadership roles. This system was later adopted worldwide due to it's success. Now here's the trouble: The elite were supposed to be better by getting higher education in universities but the whole population got dumbed down in their early stages of development and university can't reverse that. The result is what you have today. Even universities descend to the same level as school and they got again much closer in the recent decade with another reformation.

Im shit with dates and names so i don't remember the details but if you dig you can find it.

At school I learnt how to make friends, how to block an entire school if something irritated us students(we disoccupied two days ago, our requests have been fullfilled) and to think by myself.
Yeah the state school are free at least in my country.
You spelled "I want my kids to work in the fields and have no time to make them study" wrong.

So is there any source or you just shitposted

I would love to be able to study only at home with some tests at the end of the semester to prove your knowledge.
For example i choose to study set theory (level 1), probability (level 1) and geometry (level 2). At the end of the semester i can pass a test to comfirm that i know these subjects. If i fail probability level 1, i can choose to relearn it at home and retake the test at the end of the next semester but i don't need to retake the alread achived tests (i can learn something else or try an harder level).
At the end of your education you get a paper with every tests you have passed. This system is stressless, encouraging and versatil but only few students can succeed because everyone can not learn at home with a book (i personally love that).

You think i will search for you? Dig it out yourself. It's not easy to find. Not like anybody advertises it. The reformation and worldwide adoption is even on wikipedia but they sugarcoat it.

Also might add some private schools are still partly teaching the old way. Last refugee places so to speak.

>I just lied to you and now will make it seem that you are lazy
ok senpai

That's possible. Not all countries require you to attend classes. Germany for example you can do whatever you want as long as you finnish assignments and pass the test and if you fail you get to retry ~month later. You get a script for the course and can learn by yourself. I've done math like this - never visited some courses just learned by the script.

Otherwise online universities fit the bill likewise.

>Im a lazy faggot but so i say you lie until you do all work for me. If you haven't got the mental ability to google it you aren't the target audience anway.

Man fuck, that sounds like heaven compared to our fascist education system
can't be absent without a medical certificate or whoever your caretaker must come, not even one session hour absence is acceptable.

Facts without proof requires no proof to be discarded. Kindly be an hero

The purpose of school is to create well rounded capable citizens with the right cognitive tools for learning.

Also school is fucking relaxed and nothing like real work, literally went school for fun and studied outside of it in my own time.

yes. It might not be classified as a failure but it's extermely old and needs a new system.
I believe that along with the economic system (Bitcoin), the school system will enter a new paradigm embracing modern technologies

I don't give a fuck if you believe it or not. You don't matter at all. The interested will look it up while idiots like you will just whine like a baby.

In my country highschoolers don't know how to divide or the multiplication tables.
You need to pay a private school if you don't want to get robbed and most of them are christian school so you need to attend to church basically.

Beat him up, user,

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It's a failure in a sense that, kids should learn, but they don't want to learn. A paradox maybe?
So, you just pay millions to have one kid, go 10+ years on school, and maybe learn a bit history, know basic spelling and maybe some basic math.
(Example based on norway)

Personally, I didn't start learning anything before I began university. After 13 years of school, I had pretty much nothing to show for it...

Maybe school starts too early. Maybe some subjects should be put-off. Math and spelling probably being the only subjects the first years.
And maybe parents should have a bigger role in the education of their child. Leaving it to a 3rd party, is probably not that good.

Yeah, it's a failure... homeschool your kid, social outcast. Send him to a school, ends up not learning anything.

The people talking about how school teaches you to do slave labor and be a mindless drone are probably just lazy fags who can't into self discipline.
That being said, for the average amount of time necessary to succeed in school, the average amount of actual knowledge and skill students leave with is completely absurd. College in the last decade or so has also lowered to the same level.
We could probably blame it partially on our self-centered culture and surplus of cheap entertainment, but clearly the system itself is failing as well.

If I have kids someday I'll probably get tutors. Hopefully in the future everyone will be educated by AI like the volcans in star trek

young kids love learning -they will do so by themself in their free time after all without issue for their own goals. The problem is the education system in contrast to games has neither goals nor rewards. Grades don't matter to kids beyond avoiding punishment from parents. The information presented is given no context in which it could aid reaching goals. It's just pointless do as we say to avoid punishment for years which is pure garbage as a learning enviroment.

pretty much this, there's no reward on studying

>Also school is fucking relaxed and nothing like real work
Nigger working at a cubicle or an office for (worst case 9 to 5 which is still two hours less than prep-high school which is 8-6) i still much less stressful than school
In a job you have a well defined task that you are qualified for which is done easily and you don't have to do extra shit from home (worst case you have to write a couple of reports that take 10 minutes every now and then)

unlike school which you come everyday for 8 hours and study 15496 different fucking subjects and you also have to do each teacher's fucklong homework (Funny that each teacher pretends he's the sole teacher in the entire institution) all while studying for the test

If you cannot relate to this post then i'm pretty damn sure you've never went to school or evn had a job

You're very naive. Are you a high school teacher? Muh shaping the next generation?

Bread and circus, divide and conquer. And the US's contribution is compromising the populations mental and physical health to the point where they're too fat, lazy, and stupid to behave in any other way.

Technology only provides the means to be the same thing in a new way.

I haven't learnt a single thing in school other than how to write, read and do basic arithmetics and yet i wasted about 10 years of my life to attend to a building that lacked the ability to prepare me for life

Pretty much the same. College was a little better because I got to do what I loved. I'm now 25 and I'm refreshing my memory of pre-calculus, with the intention of studying Calculus up to at least Calculus II, all during my free time and simply for the sake of actually be decently knowledgeable in math.

I honestly believe some people need far more time to decide on what they want to do with their lives/what they're interested in, and it has nothing to do with their levels of intelligence.

nice ad-hominem, user
I go to school every day, I do well and I feel relaxed. Also I shitpost on a chinese basketball forum instead of studying.

what "school" is this and what grade?

same here. I only really thought of this after I graduated college... I just stopped attending school after perhaps elementary school and just started as a freshman in college and things wouldn't have gone differently. It's a very strange sensation because I went to a really good private high school, but ultimately it was just a waste extended daycare. I should've been working the fields by day desu.

It's not like philosophy is a hard class. You should have just had fun with it.
>Not wanting to learn everything

i have already have enough philosophical knowledge to troll retards on Veeky Forums

This is not philosophy 101 and the insult wasn't used for refutation as you might notice there was agreement on his point that he could dismiss it. The tone merely was in kind.

The best value you can get it building connections imo. People are the ressource you need places like school for. Learning is easily done by yourself with books or more modern youtube&co.

Last year in... college?
I am 18 to make you understand

>think critically
>philosophy

yes

specialization is harmful, but the modern education system is dated and fucked and everyone just ignores that

Why would it be harmful?

it gives the student the ability to do what he loves (or the closest thing to that) and removes lots of unnecessary subjects

It could turn out that what you were initially interested in wasn't for you/isn't as useful as you once thought. Exposing you to different sorts of learning and thinking skills is also useful.

>unnecessary knowledge

i mean

When you're forced to study 20 hours a day a bunch of subjects you don't want to study that's not an effective method of teaching and the student will learn nothing.

That's your problem for being an uninformed and indecisive tard, not the education system

>how did any of us survive this?
I dropped out of high school when I reached the point of being borderline suicidal. Sure, it basically fucked all my future career prospects permanently and caused me to fall 3 years behind in my studies, but at least l'm alive.

This is 100% correct.

The problem with the school system is that teachers are low IQ cat ladies that don't understand anything beyond memorizing and repeating as they are commanded.

In the second grade my teacher would talk about global warming as much as she could and would shame us for using a lot of paper to practice our writing.

In the third grade, my teacher made us memorize filling out a form to order "lumber"(tooth picks) to build a bridge, no education about how structural integrity works, the project was about teaching us that engineers have to do boring forms and making us more business oriented.

In the sixth grade I had an art teacher that didn't let us paint until we wrote about the painting we wanted to create and have her approve of it. The reasoning for this was that, wasting resources was bad for global warming.

In the seventh grade, I had a computer teacher that would make us sign up for "business" and "career" sites and do research about what job we wanted to do in the future. That was the beginning of my hatred for anything with the name "business" in it.

In the tenth grade I had an anthropology teacher that would constantly tell us "I'm not going to spoon feed you" when students asked questions.

In the eleventh grade I had a diabetic ghetto teacher, in business class, that made everything into a subjective performance so she could give her racial kin A+.

Teachers are 105 IQ drones that wasted years of their lives, simply so they could have the ability to teach a subject at a K~12th level, think about that.

Imagine a class where you are forced to memorize random facts about a video game or movie.

>teacher that would constantly tell us "I'm not going to spoon feed you" when students asked questions
Worst teachers ever. They just don't want to teach

Teachers are indeed fucking losers. What kind of idiot ends up taking a $50k job surrounded by children? Teachers. Yet they're held up as examples of virtue and intellectuality. No, they're often idiots, and they teach our children. I can't tell you how many stupid teachers I had when I look back. Ffs

People complain about socialism, but clearly we need to pay teachers more and make teaching an honorable profession that is respected and well paying. Because if it's not, only idiots will teach, the ones who have to "resort" to it instead of enjoying it

This, but school doesn't do this anyway. Honestly, just producing people capable of introspection, general curiousity and critical thought would be enough, comprehensive information and skills being secondary. The internet is in everyone's pockets, produce people who are inclined towards thinking and learning and you'll have both a far more intelligent and better educated population. There are millions of people who derive their worldview and the majority of their "knowledge" from twitter memes, for fuck sake.

where do you live bro

turns you into a retard who can only regurgitate his narrow chosen path, he has no mind of his own or real interests outside of habits.

teachers are made to go through teachers school so that they can be verified to be safe around children.
the first time I had a teacher that I thought was intelligent was when I went to college.
the difference was night and day between college professors and school teachers.

Its unfortunate that we live in a society that no longer trusts each other. I am sure that there are enough 65 year old retired STEM professionals that would like to spend their remaining years teaching children useful subjects that would inspire them to get into STEM. Instead we have 25 year idiots that are very likely to be politically motivated to get into teaching

>In the eleventh grade I had a diabetic ghetto teacher, in business class, that made everything into a subjective performance so she could give her racial kin A+.

Oh man. I had a professor in university just like this. Needless to say, I dropped the class. Only class I ever dropped.

>needing to study for high school
...user

So you came out of the womb knowing calculus? You have to study, you aren't magically born knowing this shit

does your country not have tests or exams or what?

To anyone thats reading this, it's already happening and its amazing

Interests can't be forced. you idiot.

This is absolutely right. I never got a CS degree and was making $240K, before I quit to work on my own projects. Traveling the country while I code on whatever I want. It's the life.

In what way?

You mean like Khan academy? I learn more in one day of Khan academy than a week of school.

Oh noooooo, is there something wrong with Western education systems? I was too busy watching anime, talking to my cool special friends on Veeky Forums and acing everything to notice.

funny how I never mentioned that she would give other students lower grades, yet you imply in your post that this type of teacher not only grades her kin well, but also sabotages other students, which indeed happened to me, I got a 63% in that class, only C i ever got

At my school, we had a bunch of bs classes like art and stuff, but even the math classes were so insanely easy that if you paid even the slightest bit of attention in class, you would at least pass.

Well that's your fault for not taking harder classes

You should have taken every honors and AP class available. Some of them are a joke, but BC Calc for instance is hard because of the sheer quantity of material, and AP US History is extremely hard because of the vast quantity of dates and names you have to memorize (I Never took it thank goD)

t. jobless

Those two things are definitionally interdependent.

>computer science is just programming
>no philosophy involved lol
You're why my major is a meme. Thanks asshole

No, you were just too stupid to get skipped out. Were you at MIT at 14? No? Then STFU.

>Well that's your fault for not taking harder classes
The what now? Do americans have to choose the level they want?

central america

>students are possibly more overencumbered that wageslaves, at least wage slaves don't need to do hours of homework and studying for tests at home.
lol what, I'm a masters student at a good uni and I have so much free time the prospect that this fucking garden of eden will ever end is hanging over me like a dark cloud

I'm almost ashamed at how leisurely school is

>I have so much free time
You're not taking advantage of you're opportunities.

probably
but honestly I'd rather teach myself to draw instead of doing whatever

>do hours of homework and studying for tests at home.
fucking brainlet

Yes it is. But not for any of the reasons you stated. It's because they don't teach you linear algebra before uni

OP is talking about highschool you dumbfuck idiot

Everyone learns differently, with different environments, diff teachers and styles and aptitudes.

One man's stupid is another man's genius.

The problem with high school was that it was too easy
The reason all the attention shifted to being a football-playing-debate-teaming-senior-editor-mother-Teresa instead of a good student is that they fucking made it so that people who never read anything but a cereal box could cheese 9/10 high school classes, and as such they no longer reliably predicted student success.
Nope. To get to college your kid has to spend his teenage years fretting about shitty extracurriculars he secretly hates because a whatever high GPA isn't an accomplishment- it's a fucking given.

I'm still mad as you can tell

Except thats a fucking meme demonstrably proven wrong by every study conducted globally on elementary students. Do you think asian students score higher because of their squinty eyes?

It is all about test scores and student loans, grants, & scholarships. It is nothing about actual education. That's why "lectures" exist. There is no teaching involved for anything beyond learning how to takes tests and go along with any (((authority))) like a good wage slave.

thanks for the retarded platitude user! think I vomited a little bit

Memes are education.

>At school I learnt how to block an entire school if something irritated us students

Are you Argentinian?

Also underage b&

I wish I could have become like that before I graduated instead of after.

I also know this story
But I've read they just wanted obedient civilians. I've also read that certain countries still believe in 'bildung', appearently Russia.

you don't need to study for high school

This is the worst place to talk about it.
Everyone here will just call IQ bullshit and call anyone they disagree with "brainlets".

Yes,the educational system is garbage and only high school/college is decent but you should discuss this with others.

You could be done with learning the general stuff by 8th grade if it wasn't wrapped in layers upon layers of hot garbage.