Gay Conversion Therapy

Does gay conversion therapy ever work? Can you ever actually go from being sexually attracted to men to being sexually attracted and gaining crushing for women?

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Yes.
How do you think people became gay in the first place?

Genetics leading to a disposition towards it but it ultimately being caused by some sort of environmental reason.

Could you please explain in more detail why you think it occurs and how one would reverse the process.

no, homosexuality is pretty normal (ions for example are gay as fuck) and there isn't a genuine "reversal" procedure but some people have more fluid sexualities than others. maybe if they were bi or something and had a string of bad relationships with men? what methods currently exists are just torture and brainwash which don't work at all.

browsing Veeky Forums

access to shitloads of unfiltered information online and general cultural trends are making people more open about sexuality. maybe try living in a culture that will kill you for it, like saudi arabia

bruh there has to be ONE rule for it to be science, principle of uniformity
sexuality can't work one way for some people and another way for other people man

fly away troll. "the present is the key to the past," humans have always fucked both genders. same thing with animals. seems pretty uniform to me. lot to do with sexuality is psychological, meaning there's loads of individual variation (what of the loads of increasingly specific fetishes that exist on these forums?) and you can't just apply some sweeping doctirne to try to explain everything nicely. the qualitative results of the way people experience sexuality also valuable

> always fucked both genders
Then how does one lose attraction to a gender when they should be attracted to both? How would that be reversed?

Not a switch dude. If you’re gay just own it. Not all people are bi, just some have always exhibited these characteristics, as seen in wildlife. There is some degree of preference in addition to your hardwiring.

>the qualitative...
my point exactly
and I'm not saying homosexuality doesn't exist I'm saying it's either binary or it's a choice, you can't have a spectrum
And since it's possible to fuck a dude and then go fuck a girl, it's a choice

The innate desires and feelings are a bit more complex than that. How would you change your desires and feelings to be for the opposite sex?

a “binary” and a choice represent a spectrum. binary thinking about things like this is a sign of autism op. i don’t see how your sexuality theories are scientific, maybe try /lgbt/ or /pol/?

Where's the gay gene?
I thought that that was debunked

If an identical twin has a gay twin, they are astronomically more likely to be gay. However, it's not always the case. This seems to indicate that genetics lead to a disposition but don't cause it solely.

I have been trying for years to make myself attracted to men and I haven't been able to do it yet.

> How would you change your desires and feelings to be for the opposite sex?
same way you developed your tastes in the first place
Not the same user, but i have a theory on human seoxuality, that it is conditioned. For instance, how is it that some people are attracted to the idea of fucking pic related but not others?

I leave that for this thread to debate. Homosexuality, heterosexuality, and fetishism all have some underlying cause. Its up to Veeky Forums to figure out what it is.

forgot pic

Homosexuals when they think of sex with the same sex think of their shared genetalia, and look for stimuli such as bodily frame, teets, etc.

Heretorsexuals, when they look for a mating partner, look for the same stimuli, but of a different variaty to their own

Fetishists, like Heteros, look for differing stimuli, but to an extreme extent.

I usually find men's bodies outrageous, but when they dress as women and hide their wide shoulders, non--existent hips and their face is kinda androgynous, they look more way more fuckable.

Ad hom, how can bi people exist if orientation isn't a choice?
That's basically what I'm saying

I would look into it if I didn't have to do homework and go play DnD. I bet there's some pattern for sexual development. I just can't look into it right now. I'd probably firstly research why fetishes occur.

Does that hold for twins separated at birth?

I could make a case for it not working.

Can you cure autism?

What if you replaced autism with homosexuality?

I also consider the reverse process to be the same.

Can you make someone autistic?

Can you make someone homosexual?

I'm going to say it depends on the person. For some people, the answer is a hard no. Others, yes, but I'm going to say that this will be like making psychopaths not psychopaths. It just doesn't happen.

No, I want to be attracted to men who would fuck me. I really enjoy anal penetration but I'm just not turned on by men and I want to be.

oh you aren't a straight faggot, you're a faggot faggot, what if you first try to masturbate to twinks who look kinda feminine and must be appealing for anyone on, then scalate your faggotry with more muscular and hairy men?

>Can you make someone autistic?
No, but you can induce states of persistent microgloia activation, overactive calcium channels, and selective brain damage, and that would look very similar to autism.

I've been interviewing /trash/ on and off to see the psychological basis behind their fetish.
For the vorophiles, it was found that (at least) one of them liked the idea of being prey, for the sake of escaping their individuality and becoming a part of some greater being. This might not reflect all of them, but i understand there to be 3 types of fetishist:
- sexual preference (i think these ones developed their fetish through accidental conditioning)
- psychological repression syndrome (the fetish is merely a reflection of some deeper psychological trauma, a symptom of psychological repression done by their subconscious. It is a reflection of their mental state). Some sexual psychologists theorize that the reasons for cannibalistic vorophilia (eating their sexual partners flesh) amongst neurotic people is as a form of becoming "one flesh" so to speak. Its an action reflecting the mental state of its doer. I think that for the more extreme fetishes this would have to be the case.
- some other third thing

That's my guess so far. Good luck finding out the secret user.

YES.

Only side effect so far is it also effects Beethoven

Short answer no.

Long answer is that there has only been one case that was considered "successful" where a scientist basically hooked up a dudes brain to a car battery and gave him a button he was only allowed to press while watching porn of women. This button was hooked to the pleasure center of his brain and he eventually, after months of button pressing during porn viewing, managed to fuck a female prostitute, while the button was getting pressed. A huge scandal erupted from it for a lot of reasons the least of which being ethics. The guy who did it was kind of a hack and the results were suspect. The biggest problem with the study, aside from essentially frying this dudes brain, is that the guy could have been bi and just had latent tendencies brought to the forefront through heavy association of pleasure with female based porn. It was the only case of positive association of sexual attraction to another gender.

We can do the reverse, make a person dislike a gender, in the same way we can make someone dislike the taste of tomato through intense negative experiences being reinforced on the taste of tomato. However the base enjoyment is still there another part of the brain is just overriding out of a trained fear/pain response.

kek

The composer or the St. Bernard?

>button hooked to the pleasure center of his brain
How do I get one of those?

Get a hole bored in your skull and have either electrodes put on the surface and a plug installed in the hole, or deep brain implants which will invariably cause inflammation and ultimately become insulated by glial cells clumping all over it.

You could also use pulsed fields, eg in pulsed field therapy.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsed_electromagnetic_field_therapy
Transcranial magnetic stimulation.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcranial_magnetic_stimulation
Or various microwave carriers modulated at ELF frequencies, namely 16hz. Whether this could entrain a network of cells (as populations of cells are coupled oscillators, you need to not individually control each one), I don't know. I imagine it was researched at one point.

There is also a spinal implant, the orgasmatron.

I'm with this guy. Might make my day job more bearable.

I don't think it's actually called an orgasmatron, but some device that stimulates lumbar spinal nerves, exists. Is occasionally used for livestock sperm harvesting.

gay genes are fake as fuck. Nature weeded out those who are gay even before the first reptile was made.

Homosexuality is culturally acquired just like how spending time in /r9k/ makes you gayer due to the trap threads. You retards are so easily fooled by the Zionists, no wonder your all poor.

> your all poor

you're*

Find a twink top then, problem solved. Where can I collect my prize?

>Ha! I corrected his spelling mistake. That means I win!

Boy bums are just nice and cum tastes good. Why so serious?

am I bisexual if I always have crushes on men and most intense orgasms to them but can get a boner looking at a naked girl and masturbate to women.

I don't know why I responded to that one lol. I think I was planning to say something else originally. Mainly, I was trying to say if there's hope I can put the homosexual side of me aside and focus on men.

I mean women, Freudian slip.

>asking for a friend

meh, its not too late. You were culturally jewed during your childhood years that it is fine to love the same sex (hint: its not). Your brain has already rewired. The only way you can go back to being straight again is to rewire it back, therapy wont work as those lazy clowns just want your betabux. Here's a hint: Do intense mediation for 1 month. I'm too lazy to teach you how though, go figure it out yourself.

I think sexual attraction can definitely be learned.

I mean just take my adventures through pornography growing up

>women solo
>lesbians (eww I don't wanna see other dudes dicks!)
>regular porn, guy banging girls
>discover shemales, only want shemales on females since it's like regular porn but with an extra set of titties- fuck yeah!
>slide into shemale on shemale
>inevitably slide into traps
>traps are gay as fuck so it turns into dudes banging traps
>my mind does the mental gymnastics: traps are really just twinks so I guess the occasional effeminate asian twink isn't so much different from trap porn

And that's where I am now. I don't want to go any further so I just jerk it to regular vanilla shit and /ss/ now. But can someone be manipulated to be sexually excited by shit they originally were repulsed by? Hell yes. I remember seeing pics of Sarina Valentina on /b/ and being disgusted by her the first time I saw her. (I still am but only because of her absurd looking fake tits.)

If someone doesn't want to be gay, I imagine you could gradually fap your way to being turned on by straight and lesbian porn.

This sounds goofy but it actually might work O.o

Animals are not gay. Male animals fuck other males to assert dominance. I'm sick of this fucking equivalence. Animals also rape all the time, is that cool? Animals are now the standard

>m-muh bi

>b-but its love user
>and humans are animals!

they fuck for pleasure, it’s not as simple as just dominance. lions will choose to fuck other male lions even when there are females.

and tango makes three

>it's not as simple as just dominance

Brainlet detected. Did you know that men used to rape other men after conquest in antiquity? These were typically heterosexual men who wanted to humiliate their opponents.

still happens in jail
it's probably a combination, depending on the animal

Giraffes, dolphins and penguins have been noticed to prefer gay partners even if females were around.
How's that shattering everything you always believed in?

Could homosexuality develop as a fetish of sorts?

That didn't disprove anything he said.
And you can end your points without sounding like a numale.

Except animals try to fuck the same sex all the time

Furry porn

I dunno, touch a boob and find out.

>Could homosexuality develop as a fetish of sorts?
that used to be the predominent theory in the APA until they started allowing gays to be psychologists. then for some unexplained reason... it was considered unscientific...

How do you get over a fetish?

Unironically yes, murder is also normal and acceptable. Literally the only reason you don't is because you were socialized not to

I have no clue really. I've never tried.
Ifi were to try, i would try this method:
1. fap to your regular fetish porn
2. start looking for porn that crosses over with less degenerate themes
3. once you get climatized to that, start fapping to the less degenerate theme on its own every so often, and continue fapping to mixed version in 2
4. start fapping to evel ess degenerate stuff that crosses over with less degenerate stuff
5. keep going until you have crawled out of the well.
It's also good to look for specific things about the porns that you find attractive and which is not degenerate.

The best way to convert fags is by killing them off before they start spreading AIDS from their bleeding anuses.

Yeah, and i bet those animals can do calculus and build space rockets. Fuck off jew.

Of course not because it's how you are

Every one itt needs to go watch bill nye saves the world, like, now

K sweetie? Buh bye now, fly away and learn science for once