Jordan Peterson BTFO

Holy shit, how can he ever recover?

The supposed distinction between 'exploring the human condition/eternal truths' and 'politically didactic' prevalent in older literary criticism is a silly and false one, anyway. That isn't to say there isn't a hierarchy of loftier goals and explorations, of course.

Do you mean the distinction between the concepts, or the distinction between works which "serve" those concepts?

If the former then fuck you

Peterson believes that Dostoevsky brought both sides of the argument in his novels. He did not make one side weak and his favored side strong in order to persuade the reader to agree with him. I'm assuming his attack of Frozen was that it does not do the same. That it makes one side weak and another strong in order to persuade the viewer.

How can a work of fiction possibly demonstrate anything about the real world? I can write a book where Jews aren't insidious nation wreckers, what does that prove?

My god reddit are stupid. Something in their brain lights up 'ah I can get him in a trap!!!' then get 50 upvotes. All to defend a shitty disney movie?

hahaha

To be fair, I think many people literally don't understand the distinction.

not to necessarily defend a disney movie, but present a strong counterargument for a ridiculous argument made by jordan peterson.

but anyway dont get this guy, does he feel threatened by the movie? and why cant a movie show that a woman doesnt need a man to be succesful. that shouldnt even be considered a political message

prove, prove, prove

is that the only word you positivist niggers know?

It doesn't even show that. In the end the chick still has her beau.

The moral of frozen is that love is something you do, not something that happens to you.

nothing worse than the braindead fucktards that are peterson culties.

I posted what I imagined his response to that post would be given what he's said in the past. I didn't agree or disagree with it. You could explain why you disagree with it if you want or just post another shitpost.

No he's right that's pretty fanboyish.

maybe, I like to speculate what others would say though. I make a lot of those alternative history threads on Veeky Forums for that same reason, just speculating of what others would have said or done in an alternate scenario

>I make a lot of those alternative history threads on Veeky Forums
I fucking hate you and would have preferred if you had been a Peterson fanboy.

>I posted what I imagined his response would be
that's really sad try thinking sometime and not emulating thought.

unsurprisingly you can't read either,
>"ANYTHING written to serve a political purpose is propaganda etc etc"

>Dr. Peterson, huge fan, been binging on your lectures for a while. What is your opinion on pornography, and masturbation in general? A lot of your supporters are also members of the /r/nofap community that completely obstain from masturbation, as they see it as a part of sorting themselves out and becoming the best human being they can be. Just curious.

;^)
I see you went with the shitpost option

my post was meant to show that I think peterson would claim that the devils wasn't written to serve a political purpose, rather it was to explore certain lines of thought and he did so by building up both sides of the debate. You still have the chance to post why you disagree with that if you want

I respect people who simply abstain from masturbation, but when anonymous crowds start forming around an instruction about some ONE thing and make it their duty to proselytise each as foot soldiers, it becomes wretched. The same thing invokes disdain for vegans.

>>him or her
>REEEEEEEEE
>>Unless you wish to be weak...
>/r/CuckoldCommunity
>Kermit doesn't eat cookies. They have a cookie monster for that.
>[–]drjordanbpeterson[S] 176 points 9 hours ago
>I was going to say that. But I'm glad you did instead.

>Implying propaganda can't be art

RIEFENSTAHL WOULD LIKE TO DO SOME ESTABLISHING SHOTS ON YOUR FACE BITCH

>wahh i have nothing so it's a shitpost
you haven't nullified his absolutist claim in any way and conveniently ignored what the reddit poster said, please try reading and stop RPing like some retard.

>I follow an extremely detailed day plan. I schedule constantly, by the hour, week, month and multi-month period. It's absolutely necessary if you want to be productive. Start with a simple schedule.

What do you know, Kermit is an autist.

Jordan Peterson is a fucking cretin if he makes a point out of talking about Disneyshit Film#234b. I have no idea who he is but he sounds pretty stupid.

So would Eisenstein.

The praise this is getting just baffles me. Really reveals how low the power level is around here.

>jordan peterson changed my life!!!

He's just trying to pull a Zizek.
I think it is good for Reddit to do this every so often. It is healthy for Veeky Forums to be taken down a peg on the patrician-o-meter, occasionally.

i was making fun of the guy i was quoting but either way lit isn't even patrician reddit is unironically probably way better for actual lit-related discussion Veeky Forums is just more entertaining.

Who is Jordan Peterson's demographic?

anybody weak and depressed

I'm both of those, and I think he's an idiot.

Both posts just show how little you need to know and how little you need to argue in order to impress others on the internet.

Give me a succint description of the man because I am a lazy piece of shit. 30-40% memes is an acceptable level.

THE ELITE

I'm partly convinced that the JP haters here have issues which they are unwilling to face.

A man who holds moderately patrician views unfortunately twisted up with pleb-tier conservatism, thereby leading to a similar demographic to Marcus Aurelius.

You know. The people who read to better themselves.

I don't like Peterson either, people on reddit like him, and to preserve my edgy contrarian nature I must therefore despise him.

Now, if you excuse me, I have some love letters of Joyce to read

Look! A contrarian-contrarian. I knew one would show up eventually.

>a woman does not need a man to be successful
If this is a political message then pretty much all art is political. This guy is a cretin. (Who is he anyway?)

I like Marcus Aurelius, both for Veeky Forums and Veeky Forums but I have no idea who his demographic is.

>reading to better yourself
That don't work none *spits*

A bunch of masculinist/nofap/mgtow faggots latched onto Aurelius because muh stoic masculinity.

settle down there bucko.

Veeky Forums's version of Anthony Fantano

Aurelius was more into the find your own path, being true to yourself and dignity which all apply to both men and women. I suppose virgins will latch on to anything.

So lindybeige but no English accent, gotcha. Does he larp too?

Yup. His Roman-ness helps, too. It's all about the image of the thing, not the content.

lindybeige is just a happy-go-lucky nerd
peterson is incredibly psychologically unstable

even if he was patrician as fuck, which he's not, I would avoid trying to listen to him because his emotional foundations will inevitably poison his intellect

>Do you believe in the supernatural and specifically the god of Christianity?
>Yes. I've met Him. He put me into a Roman coliseum with Satan himself, who I defeated. When I asked why He would do such a thing, He said, "because I knew you could win." He's a tough dude. Mess with Him at your peril.
Uh huh

>anything written to serve a political purpose is propaganda not art

>lindybeige is just a happy-go-lucky nerd
"no"
He's right, assuming a literal definition of "serve".

>"no"
How come?

>He's right, assuming a literal definition of "serve".

Horseshit, you're just setting up a no true scotsman cop out. Pic related is literally propaganda in the purest sense while simultniously art

Stop being a cultist and use your head dipshit

Doesn't it seem though that reifenstahl and Eisensteins films are beautiful for reasons completely outside their being propaganda? The political elements seem like literal props hung on the aesthetic framework

You take something like frozen and it's all discursive and nothing else

>it's all discursive and nothing else

Oh right, because all the music and art design suddenly becomes simply "discursive" because you feel uncomfortable with the message
Piss off

>b-b-b-b-but he hates SJWs so everything he says must be right!!

He always gave me the impression that he was one drink away from breaking down and crying about some divorce or other.
I'm not being a cultist you idiot, that's why I said what I said. I agree with the kind of thing he said, I'm not him himself. That is: any work which serves any ideal (or anything at all, in fact -- for example, popularity) cannot be art.

>That is: any work which serves any ideal (or anything at all, in fact -- for example, popularity) cannot be art.

Doubling down on stupid

Nuh-uh

says who?

The most important person in the world.

Me.

>he thinks his great leader Jordan Peterson is the most important person in the world

says who?

>That is: any work which serves any ideal (or anything at all, in fact -- for example, popularity) cannot be art.

Art doesn't exist

Not everyone wants to lower themselves into the muck as much as you do, user.

Well any work that serves anything at all is art.

no

Christian art that serves divine ideals cannot be art?

Exactly.

This is why Commedia and Paradise Lost are art.

It's true. There's literally nothing that does or will ever exist that can produce any sort of evidence contrary to that fact.

no

Even worse, anything that communicates or expresses anything cannot be art.

It doesn't matter what you say without evidence.

no
>communicates or expresses
now that doesn't sound like serve...

If you communicate you have served the ideal that there has ever been something worth communicating

Yes it does. A work in the service of expression or communication.

I wish people without even the most rudimentary art historical or aesthetic knowledge would just completely refrain from making any comment relating to art.

Aha! I'm wise to your sophistry, old man.
Being in the service of expression isn't the same as expressing something.

Expressing something = I wanna do this.

Serving expression = I want to say this, how do I do this most effectively? It's like advertising or journalism. Bad.

This is pretty basic user.

>Being in the service of expression isn't the same as expressing something.

In terms of a 'work' yes it is.

no it isn't

Elaborate

no u

It doesn't matter, art isn't 'expression' or 'communication' either you IDIOT

>when we need to have to give explanations on such a babby tier topic because retards follow the ramblings of a depressed old pseudo-mystic as gospel

Wrong.

No

That's not even undergrad level of characterisation. That's literally just making shit up based on limited experience with a topic

deep

Riefenstahl fits that description much better and if you genuinely find political statements in Frozen you're a fucking cretin.

Elaborate.
Hey, Bloom's not depressed, he just mutters poems to himself and then everything's okay.

Art is about EXISTENCE, man, since like all art EXISTS... think about it

Yeah man that's baffling... hey ever seen Bloom destroy a novel? Jamie pull that video. Jesus Christ he's 400 pounds, that guy will tear your prose to shreds.

>and why cant a movie show that a woman doesnt need a man to be succesful. that shouldnt even be considered a political message

But it is, you fucking moron.

It's pure ideology.

This post is the real ideology

It is only so far as literally every expression is a political message. You're literally operating on pure ideology retard

You seem awfully triggered by a cartoon about little girls and a talking snowman.

This chatroom blows major balls

/pol/ once again demonstrating they're just the opposite face of Tumblr

This response is the real ideology.

>It is only so far as literally every expression is a political message.

That's precisely the point, mein gott.

I'm not triggered at all.

There's no such thing as l'art pour l'art. Retards who think "a women doesn't need a man to be successful" is apolitical are fucking morons, however.

>Buttblasted multireply

Gottem

I don't care who it is, he just seems like a butthurt faggot. I mean the movie was probably shit but it's about an ice princess and a funny reindeer, it ain't All the President's Men.