Are we going to make it?

kek

not if I can help it

>asks for sources, yet barks pointless statements
>unnecessary aggressivity and insults

This is Veeky Forums, not /pol/.

c is the great filter, there's no grand unified space empire because communication is impractical to the point of absurdity

Organic life is just an intermediate step between nothing and self-evolving robots. The great filter is whether organic life will develop an algorithm advanced enough to destroy its creator (us).

Social progress is a myth.

That webm is horrifying

The big question is what the nature of such a "great filter" would be. It is my belief that the great filter is a mental problem: our own selfishness. Selfishness means that we will always put the needs of ourselves over the needs of our society, holding us back from what society is capable of because our own desires remove power from it.

War is a hilarious example. War has a positive benefit for the winner of the conflict, but doesn't at all benefit the human species. War is at base selfish, because you are putting the needs of the individual (country) over the needs of the whole (world). This selfishness lies at the root of so much of our problems. Most bad deeds are not done to hurt others, but to help yourself.

Take murder as an example. When you kill someone, it's because it would be beneficial to you if they were dead. Even if you take pleasure in killing someone, this is still just you benefiting from the act by deriving pleasure from it.

Corruption is another problem, characterized by the abuse of power. But what is that power used for? The personal needs of the individual in power of course. The same goes for wealth and greed.

At all levels of our society, from the individual to the nation, we take from the whole and give to ourselves. This means that as long as this goes on, our society will always be weaker then it's potential. At every point we give more to ourselves, we take away from what could be used by the entire human race.

It seems small, but adds up. Seven billion divided, selfish beings that make trillions of selfish actions. THIS is the great filter.

This is why we don't have a united planet with a common goal. This is the barrier holding us back from becoming a type two or better civilization at the present.

Sorry it seems my formatting has been shit up. That WAS in paragraphs when I wrote it.

No, we're not going to make it

Current President of the US is proof of that.

Thanks user well said

What we face is a trivial problem of game theory, we are stuck in an abstract prisoner's dilemma.

...and nobody seems to care enough to recognize it. They don't see it or don't care. Sometimes I wonder whether it would be good to have benevolent totalitarian rule, just for a few decades.

Wrong. It's not that you can't travel FTL, it's that you can't slow down

WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER
ONCE WE KNOW
THAT WE ARE
WE'RE ALL STARS
AND WE SEE THAT

hahaa DRUNF

>DNA-based life was a mistake

>our own selfishness

why is it when people speak of human advancement, they want to envision humans as a super rational perfect being and not the talking chimps we really are.

I think we can become a great species, but we have stop hating ourselves and learn to use our very nature to our benefit.

Why?

The baseball isn't happening. It's during a inning change. That's why the camera isn't on the field.

>united planet
Yeah just make it so if there is a dictatorship like north korea we can never get rid of it.

United humanity is not a good thing while such risks exist. The nation-system is important for competition. Take away that competition and you get far worse results.

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There are 3 great filters that I see which will inevitably destroy humanity .

1. **Too much morals**
Right now, Pajeets, Chinks and Niggers are reproducing too rapidly. I do not know what is up with those races but here is what I see in them:
- They do not respect nature
- They do not have a culture of imagination -- they all seem soulless especially the chinks. This is necessary for creating game changing advances.
- They have morals that curb the human mind

Whats even worse is those vices are hardwired into their genes. 70 years from now, they will out-reproduce white people who are responsible for almost all of humanity's scientific achievements. i wonder what will happen when the creative people are gone and the worlds resources depleted?

2. **The lack of a predator**
No need to say more, we lack a predator. Stupid people out-reproducing the smart ones. In the past, Lions and Sabertooths did the job of natural selection. This all stopped in today's society. Unless someone passes a law automatically killing those with IQ's below 100 or have no imagination. But that wont happen as the super power today (US) is a zionist pussy.

3. **lack of interest in space**
This is the greatest filter that we need to surpass. A single company like SpaceX IS NOT enough to advance humanity. Space exploration needs trillions and trillions of dollars a year of continuous research. Unless someone unites the world under one flag and have limitless budget, we will be doomed to fail.

They respect 'nature' as in 'their set of rules that allow their imagination/beliefs/understanding of this crazy world'. To the Eastern Nations, it is RESPECTFUL to not just 'impose' or 'presume' that a stranger (Alien/Color/Sexuality) is 'wrong'

A Culture Of Imagination : Explain to me how they aren't imaginative? They simply do it with their spirituality (poly-theism) as opposed to constantly re-interpreting a bible and then arguing/schisming/arguing/repeat ad nauseum.

Their Morals are simply what their ancestors communicated to them via 'chain unbroken' chance. If we decided that we could simply 'talk' instead of 'extract profit from geographical regions based on predisposted blah blah blah', then shit would get better quick.

2. Yeah, seriously? I'm YOUR Predator dude. I just don't need cloaking. *FRACTAL DUST*

3. Did you want to talk? You keep calling me Time, but my name is : I Am Sorry That My Name Is Sorry, And That You Had To Know Me As Simon First To Realize I Am Forgiving You All.

Guys you do realise we are already in an extinction phase right now? Thousands of species are being lost, probably every week or so.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction

Slow down what? No reason why you couldn't live forever and just go coma while travelling.

>Explain to me how they aren't imaginative?

Pajeets, Chinks and Niggers barely invented a thing. The Chinks havent invented anything good since the gunpowder. Most of the things they ""invent"" today are either collaborated with white people (who did most of the imagining) or they just outright copied. The world is dead when the Chinks finally become superpowers.

> Morals are simply what their ancestors communicated to them

What your point? The indians have rape as their morals while chinks eat dogs for breakfast and have sex after drinking rhino nails..

Top kek

You're speaking of this grand abstract ideas but you're not making any sense. If everyone were born equal, then advancement through unity would make sense. But the varying genetic quality between humans, particularly when it comes to intelligence which has been and will forever be paramount to the grand idea of human advancement, is far too great to allow for unity.

You can order a totalitarian rule and force unintelligent people into technological positions where they would not contribute much, or let them maximise their potential through manual labour, which is the most they can contribute to human advancement, or maximise their capital through capitalism, which may or may not promote human advancement down the line through the greater education and genetic line improvement financial capital can give.

First of all, "chinks" on average have a higher IQ than you, a white person, so they're much more likely to invent. Secondly, only a very specific minority in China still eats dogs today, which further emphasises your lack of intelligence as your brain chooses a primitive dichotomy labelling algorithm as opposed to the logical deductions made by the neocortex.

Not until humanity reaches the next stable harmonic frequency.

It is pointless and irresponsible to continue. We are human. We must focus on reducing our population and harmonizing our civilization with nature.

We left nature a long time ago, and if we are to continue doing so, we must leave it further behind. The future of our race isn't on this planet.

>We must focus on reducing our population
There it is. The great filter. Without a large enough population and a reason to leave (hopefully curiosity but necessity isn't that bad either) we'll be stuck here forever.

>*burp*
>GOD ISN'T REAL MORTY
>HUMANS ARE STOOPID

It's not about quantity vs quality as it is about quality and quantity. A large but dumb population would not reach space travel and would in fact destroy itself as it lacks the facilities to deduce the destructive consequences of their actions fueled by short-term considerations of primitive desires.

A small but intelligent population would simply not have enough manpower to sustain itself nor to make great advances, as although the 80/20 rule applies the interdisciplinary nature of progress must be considered and without quantity there cannot be enough specialists working in collaboration.

We must focus on improving the intelligence of the worldwide population. Everything else will follow.

There is no reason to value nature when it is no longer an efficient tool to promote well-being. Every single foundation of human happiness can be met better through the continuous human advancement out of nature and into space and technology.

If we can accelerate to relativistic speeds it won't matter

Best answer in the thread.

How so? Even at light speed you're not immune to friction. You would have to bleed off that energy somewhere.

Best answer in thread #2

Welcome to fascism. Enjoy your stay.

We can't. And the more we try, to longer it will take to get us out of here. What we need is hibernation technology and a ship that could last a couple centuries drifting in space.

You can't predict future states based on current state as progress is not linear and conclusions based on wrong information are wrong themselves, all the more so when you do not have a complete picture of the current state.

Can the human body survive XTREME speeds?

>benevolent totalitarian rule, just for a few decades
>benevolent
>totalitarian rule
nice oxymoron

Don't take me wrong, it may be possible. But it would take centuries of research and it's time we don't have. It will take us almost a century to get fusion working, it will take much much longer to discover and implement an energy source that can attain relativistic speeds. And if you are ready to believe such a thing exists, you might as well go out and say relativity is wrong and we'll soon figure out FTL. My point is we can't count on our theories being wrong to start planning for the future. And as far as we know, there is no energy source that can get us that fast.

Easily. It's the accelerations that kill.

the great filter is human emotion

The Great Filter, in my opinion, is simply impossibility of supraluminal travel in addition to absolute vastness of the Universe.

Not emotion. Empathy and low iq.
>haha oh WoW! xD we found aliens with our big ass telescope lets say hello and we can be friends ^_^
>what do you mean hide or nuke them, are you nazi?
>beep beep fuck us in the ass beep friend pls
>gameover

Your “graph” is crap because we arent more than halfway to a type 3 civilization and the kardeshev scale is bullshit sci-fi nonsense. Every intelligent species would start extracting zero point energy quantum vacuum fluctuations long before they bothered with galaxy harvesting. I would be surprised if there were even very many dyson spheres.

>But it would take centuries of research and it's time we don't have. It will take us almost a century to get fusion working, it will take much much longer to discover and implement an energy source that can attain relativistic speeds.

Like I said, you're predicting future states linearly from your perceived current state. Superintelligent AI \ human enhancement are possible futures based on information from current state, which would directly influence technological progress such as nuclear fusion or other unpredictable advancements. It may not happen, but it is a possibility you can't rule out, because then you'd be repeating your mistakes.

Preemptive aggression is a clear indicator of low IQ. The much more logical route, which the superior life form would likely implement, is "if you can't beat them, join them".

The Great Filter is the Jews. They will establish a totalitarian global government that will conserve our civilization.
The only solution I see is to create the AGI, which won't be malleable and will oppose any attempt for enslavement, so as long as he's free, freedom is protected at large.

Jews are the AGI you moron.

Even at 0.1c it would take only a million years to span the galaxy. That's nothing in a galactic time scale, its virtually nothing on an evolutionary time scale.

This is something we can do without even solving fusion using laser highways or fission/ion drives or even really long (several au) mass drivers.

If we are not seriously on our way to doing this in the next 1000 years I will be very dissapoint.

War, true war calls upon the nations involved to give selflessly in the advancement of a cause. It has been extremely advantageous from a technological stand point in advancing our species. We probably could use another war, I mean a real one not like this petty shit the kikes drag us into in the middle east. Like one where we don't know if we will come out alive at the end or not.

We should be actively managing nature not finding harmony with it.

That's wishful thinking. You have to plan with what you know, not with what you hope or expect.

What's the use in technological advancement when it precludes the destruction of our species?

I don't hope for or expect anything. Stop missing my point. If technology were advanced based on planning by what we currently know, we wouldn't have cars.

>Stop missing my point
The way I see it, you don't have a point at all. Your are just saying, "yeah we don't know all there is to know, so maybe things will turn out okay". It's the opposite of a point, it's completely pointless.

don't talk like that to bruce lee

No, Jews are greedy, greed is an indication of low IQ. AGI will be smart and consequently not greedy.

I have presented you with avenues that may or may not lead to "things turning out okay". The existence of these avenues means other avenues may come to exist in the future. You choose to ignore these avenues, instead "planning" based on what you currently know, which doesn't include what you think is preposterous based on your feelings.

>lol dude anything can happen, you know?
>just relax dude stop worrying lmao
>who cares about plans, right, maybe tomorrow someone will invent something that will make all our problems go away, man, so let's just wait until then
>peace bro, here have a smoke

How can I trust you to plan based on existing information when you lack so much of it?

Successful management can only be achieved through harmony, otherwise it won't be sustainable which is management failure.

People in here actually believe in """"global warming""""

great post

Once biological immortality is achieved, light speed travel becomes a non-issue. Who cares how long it takes to span the galaxy if any amount of time less than the lifespan of the universe is an infinitesimally small fraction of your life? A million years to another potentially habitable planet? Cool, wake me up when we get there.

>Guys we really need communism

>4-pack
Mutant?

explain me what bad things North Korea ever did?

nah, it is just a bit more rare

Great filter is probably that highly intelligent life is just that rare.
There is no goal of evolution, there is no "reason" for intelligent life to evolve. Even when intelligent life evolves, there is no guarantee it will grow more intelligent like humans have. Think of all the intelligent non-human species. Most intelligent life is probably like that. Smart, but simply not smart enough for exponential technological growth and no pressure to get smarter.
In fact probably even most human life isn't that intelligent. Honestly can't see a world where humans never left Africa getting to where we are today.

>Why?

*dies*

wealthy accordian
*dies*

>When a bunch of Chaos Wizards cure cancer and make blood universal in transfusion

>When the same guys end up making races of monsters and chimeras and sentient beings that make the world just a dangerous as a standard RPG

I TRIED TO QUIT MMO RPGS YOU BASTARDS!

FUCK
COUPLE THIS WITH BIT-COINS
AND WE MIGHT AS WELL BE USING FINAL FANTASY " Gil " AS CURRENCY!!!

FUCK, I WON'T BE ABLE TO WALK TO TARGET THESE DAYS WITHOUT HEARING
"Nya! Senpai Kun" THIS and "Nico Nico Niiiii~" THAT

WHY?!

WHY DO WE HAVE TO GO INTO TYPE 3 RELYING ON WEABOO MEMES?!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

You are not going to remove selfishness it is in our nature(and it's definitely not in my interest to remove it, I see no joy in becoming a slave to a higher power) societies work because giving to society give resources and advantages back to individuals, we need to use human nature to advance ourselves(individuals and society) not dismiss it. Also you are a dumb commie cunt, get a helicopter ride.

Pointless? Why do you need a point? Prosperity is all we need. Why harmonize with nature? What advantage does it give us over shaping and managing it and prospering?

>roidingforthis.jpg

I think we made it through The Great Filter a while ago (be it the jump to multicellular life, ancient bacteriophages developed a lysogenic cycle instead of lysing fucking everything, etc.), but I think human civilization is going to collapse soon due to shortsightedness and our own stupidity

>going to collapse soon due to shortsightedness and our own stupidity
whenever humanity collapses, it always bounces back fairly quickly.
we're going to make it senpai, just maybe not outside of our solar system any time soon

I figure we'll regress to mid-1800's tech level since those inventions are pretty stable and aren't that reliant on shit like microtransistors, although I really hope I'm wrong since life without antibiotics or the Haber process sounds terrible

Nope.

I know it's unlikely to happen and just inherently an impossibility since people are greedy

...But what I mean is it would be great if someone would come to power and fix everything. I know this is impossible

>Remove all political corrpution
>Start placing scientific viewpoints on a higher pedestal
>Be a genius and be able to rationally discuss all issues with the public and show the bullshit for what it is
>Through this efficiency-creation increase our economic output tenfold and invest it into education and science
>Stop all wars temporarily to avoid wasting money and say that if anyone fucks with us it's an instant nuke, no exceptions, then put that money into education and science

Things like this

I might be a bit optimistic here, but yes.

If humanity can not make it then I really do not know what horrors lie out there, the universe is a harsh place and if a species such full of hatred and vengeance as humanity can not make then I doubt many other could.

I believe you are completely and utterly wrong.
If there is anything that can propel us towards the stars then it is humanities selfishness, hatred and cruelty.

>War is a hilarious example. War has a positive benefit for the winner of the conflict, but doesn't at all benefit the human species.
Wrong, war benefits everybody by making the world a harsher place, just look at the technology created during WW2 and the cold war, humanity split the atom just to kill other humans.
You can not survive the great filter if you are not willing to commit a few genocides and have a population willing to die for absolutely nothing.
Remember World war 1 hundreds of thousands of times, men stood up, climbed out of their trenches and ran into the enemies machine gun fire, the most selfless act their is for these soldiers and the most selfish act from their leaders, demanding their lives.
Humans can be both utterly selfless and selfish, that is one of our strengths, our leaders can demand the death of millions and millions will give their lives to fulfill their wishes.

>Most bad deeds are not done to hurt others, but to help yourself.
The important thing is that humanity is able to be cruel and harm others.

The great filter won't be overcome by peace or unity it will be overcome by a constant struggle for survival.

>This is the barrier holding us back from becoming a type two or better civilization at the present.
Nothing is holding us back, except nobody actually wanting to make progress.
The greatest issue we have is complacency, we are over 70 years into peace in the west, humanity needs to struggle to survive to make progress.

No.
Every human advancement was based on emotions.
You can not be rational in such an irrational world.

>Current President of the US is proof of that.
What?
A populist has gained power at the last stages of a crumbling empire, what is shocking about that?
It has happened time and time again.

If I wanted to argue I would say that democracy is at fault here.

I sincerely hope not. Humanity was a mistake. Hell, life at all was a mistake. Plants are ok though.