/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

anybody got link to waking gods ebook by sylvain neuvel?

Oh, Bakker-kun...

It's on mobilism. Can't post the link cause spam bullshit.

Yeah. So far Scott Lynch is the most fascinating one - if it weren't for breasts I genuinely couldn't tell him apart from Elizabeth Bear.

There was some argument last thread by some idiots claiming female characters should be as strong as men.

Maybe if you're writing shameless bullshit.

What the fuck, they look exactly the same.

Shit that long divorce took a lot out of him including his masculinity

Butcher been hitting the gym.
Also enjoy red rising.rrrrrrreeee fucking chad

He legit looks like he's mid transition

>trying to derail the thread from the beginning
You are a sad person, and have a sad miserable excuse for a life.

Nice b8

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Traps get me off.

Keep your biological revisionism attempts out of the thread.

Anyone else reading Craft Sequence? Loved Three Parts Dead, started reading Two Serpents Rise. Really not liking it as much as Three Parts Dead though. The protagonist and the retarded Luddite girl he has the hots for are both really getting on my nerves.

>no graph title, no key labelled points or citation from the article or included study design

I've never understood this. Probably because to me it just sounds like "I can only be attracted to guys when they look like girls" which just seems like someone's stuck in the closet.

There aren't people here who actually think men and women are, on average, physically equal in terms of strength, right? Obviously there are some women who are stronger than many men, but only because they've dedicated their life to training.

Stop responding to him, seriously. Besides, it's not like that graph is the worst part of his argument. It's literally just "I can't read women because -4 STR." It's just ridiculous, as though the true test to be a protagonist is about strength. I just don't see the connection between physical strength and being a protagonist.

Yes, you're correct, I think pretty much everyone here will agree with that. It's just "Women can't be protagonists because they aren't as strong as men" is just a baffling reasoning for anything. Well, that and the guy wants to continually shit up the thread with irrelevant bullshit, and calling everyone Tumblr and saying how they're Feminists.

ANYWAY: Fictional Nazis. Uh... the Thalmor? Can't really think of any others. Maybe the Empire from Star Wars? Honestly, I'm kinda glad I don't see this trope come up very often.

>It's literally just "I can't read women because -4 STR."

Uh, no. I didn't say that. I have made zero posts on this subject besides I am responding to people at the end of last thread who were actually, unironically making the argument that real-life women are as strong as real-life men. Sorry, but that isn't the case, and I won't tolerate politically motivated distortions of reality in my presence.

bleng.com/media/wysiwyg/Mathiowetz_Grip_and_Pinch_Strength_Norms.pdf

>It's just "Women can't be protagonists because they aren't as strong as men" is just a baffling reasoning for anything.
No one is making this argument.

>tfw you find the book you were looking for on mobilism, but the links are dead and the uploader has yet to reply to your PM kindly asking for a re-up even though he's been online at least a dozen times since then

There's a biological cost for everything.
↑ cell turnover → ↑ Reactive Oxygen Species → ↑ chance of damaging the cell → ↑ chance of DNA breakage → ↑ chance of a mutation that the immune system misses → ↑ chance of cancer

Overuse of strength can also lead to degenerative conditions like osteoarthritis.

And it's not like it's exactly necessary - there are always drugs if you really want to get the edge over the other 99% of cases and not without side effects. And should the argument lead to 'drugs are cheating' well essentially the compounds are fitting to receptors in your body which means that most of the time they are just synthetic copies of the hormones already in your body.

What's the book?

>What's the book?
In the Days of the Witch-Queens

It's one of them books that aren't available anywhere else curiously.

You aren't going to get muscle cancer from using your muscles. Tearing your muscles does not actually kill any cells.

I know. Can't find that shit anywhere.

Holy shit, if I judged books by their covers...

Yea that cover is shit, but apparently it's a solid, action-packed novella.

Wait, I'm reading the Amazon sample now, and it really does seem like everyone's either a lion or has the head of one. Why do you want to read this? I will say though that the prose is a fuckton better than the last Amazon sample I read, The Name of the Wind. Still laughing my ass off about how terrible that book is. No idea why people like it, it seems like the most boring book ever.

For something different, what are /sffg/'s favourite science-fiction and fantasy movies?

Why would everyone being cat people dissuade me from reading it?

ROS is definitely produced during exercise in response to the muscle fibre damaging, it's a question of whether or not this is actually good or whether it varies in protectivity based on the amount of exercise. Some studies say that small amounts allow the ROS to be used as a chemical modulator which is beneficial, other studies say that excessive exercise can be carcinogenic. I think it's in part because studies are so small and short it's hard for people to figure out whether something is actually good or bad considering the sheer number of other factors that can impact on a person's health, for example food. So perhaps that post paints an exceedingly simple view of ROS that is misleading.

Doesn't Lynch suffer from crippling depression like Lawrence?

I try to avoid knowing anything about the authors, more often than not they tend to be disappointing individuals, pic related.

Rothfuss looks the way I always imagined the pigs looking at the end of animal farm.

I like to know what authors look like but I never, ever look at their personal social media accounts. As soon as I learn an author is some kind of insufferable library or SJW type I can never read their books.

Case in point: Rothfuss

Hello sirs.

Call me a nerd but I've always thought those leather bush hats look extremely comfy...

Does anyone think it's weird that there are no women in The Hobbit?

No, tumblr. We don't.

>insufferable library
???

Rothfuss get out

Nobody cares.

Mind = blown

I'm a fair way into Jack Vance's Emphyrio. His depiction of a fiercely bureaucratic welfare state, composed of guilds of workers forced into hand-working crafts within their specialisation by a smaller class of lords, with machine-working and duplication a capital offense, is deftly done, a good example of world building continuous info dumping.

>without continuous info dumping.

Woops I typed "libtard" and it autocorrected.

They're all homosexual.

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>As soon as I learn an author is some kind of insufferable library
This has to be the most hilarious autocorrect ever.

LoTR is shit. Why should I care if they are all faggots who reproduce by buggering each other.

I used to.

But witnessing Sanderson made me reconsider things.

>those few women outliers who are above average for males.

Power grip has offered no evolutionary benefit since we left trees. The palmaris longus muscle which improves power grip and wrist flexion in our ancestors is absent in a large percentage of the population is indicative of this.

*which

Well, not entirely. Nine times out of ten, if someone can't open something like a jar or bottle that I can open, that someone is a woman. Small thing, I realize.

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About to read The Children of Hurin,
What am I in for?

I liked it. Was pretty epic and tragic.

I really enjoyed that and the puppet show thing.

Not sure if intrigued or appalled.

True.

>just paste a cat head on a human body
No, this will not do! Catgirls should be more animal than woman.

fuck you, they are traditional Australian wear how the fuck are they nerdy?

How should I read Malazan? I'm thinking Book of the Fallen and then Novels and then worry about everything else. Or should I alternate between Book and Novels based on publication date? Or should I throw some of the other books in there somewhere too?

My dude, did you not see the image I posted?

>How should I read Malazan?
By not reading it at all. Don't fall for the meme.

see

You read the first one, then the second, then the third generally speaking.

They're fucking books you idiot, not a jigsaw puzzle.

Oh thanks, for some reason I didn't get the (you). This really raises more questions than it answers though. I can either read Deadhouse Gates or Memories of Ice, but never both? And after The Bonehunters I can either read Midnight Tides or Reaper's Gale, but if I choose Reaper's Gale I can never read Midnight Tides?

Could you just suggest what you think is the best? Book in the order of publication followed by Novels in the order of publication? Or intertwine them? Or something else?

>You read the first one, then the second, then the third generally speaking.
There are 4 series and two authors you tard.

>They're fucking books you idiot, not a jigsaw puzzle.
Oh, I see you haven't read them.

>There are 4 series and two authors you tard.

Malazan Book of the Fallen is one series. The Malazan series. It has 10 books, you start with the first and read them sequentially until you have read the last. When you finish that, you consider reading the side materials and then decide not to because the series peaked at book 4 and everything after was an enormous slog.

But the diagram says I should read Night of Knives before The Bonehunters, which would suggest that intertwining them is better.

Sorry, I didn't make the diagram, I was just pointing it out to you. No idea on which to read, never heard of this series before.

Yes, your question is literally so retarded someone made a diagram just to fuck with people that ask it.

>oh hey I should read The Wheel of Time series
>14 books
Fuuuck that. If you can't end your story within 3-4 books you might as well not tell it at all.

Are you actually reading the diagram? It says no such thing. It explicitly says that there's a revelation that is given out in both books, so whichever you read second won't be as surprising. You know, if you click on an image here, it gets bigger. And if you click on its filename, it'll get even bigger.

Thanks for your helpfulness. I'm from reddit, and I'd heard this site was full of mean people, but from your responses I can tell that there are a lot of kind people here.

Whether or not this was serious, it made me laugh very hard. OK, I'm just going to transcribe the reading order lists it gives.

>You want to read the main Malazan Book of the Fallen and Novels of the Malazan Empire series, intertwined, but not the short stories?
>GotM >> NoK >> DG >> MoI >> HoC >> MT >> tBH >> RG >> RotCG >> TtH >> SW >> DoD >> OST >> tCG >> BaB >> AsI

>You want to read EVERYTHING from start to end, in the most logical narrative order?
>GotM >> BG >> DG >> tLoLE >> WoBM >> MoI >> HoC >> MT >> NoK >> tBH >> tHD >> RG >> RotCG >> TtH >> GoG >> SW >> DoD >> OST >> tCG >> BaB >> AsI >> CPT >> FoD >> FoL >> WiS

>You only want to read the Malazan Book of the Fallen? Then just follow the basic MBotF publishing order (but you may want to heavily consider reading just RotCG before TtH because DoD majorly spoilers something in RotCG).
>GotM >> DG >> MoI >> HoC >> MT >> tBH >> RG >> (RotCG >>) TtH >> DoD >> tCG

By the way, since you're new, I might as well explain this
>Oh thanks, for some reason I didn't get the (you).
Yeah, (you)'s don't cross threads here. They also track by IP address (I think) so if you post in one place using Wi-Fi, then physically move to use a different router, the (you)'s will change.

>"sedentary white first-worlders don't have physical strength so clearly i'm right"
>complains about anecdotal evidence in last thread
>posts it

Not the same guy, not even vaguely interested in the conversation that was going on in the last thread.

>I can either read Deadhouse Gates or Memories of Ice, but never both? And after The Bonehunters I can either read Midnight Tides or Reaper's Gale, but if I choose Reaper's Gale I can never read Midnight Tides?
What? No no. Look at the legend. Blue lines are plotlines, red lines are spoilers. The books are arranged to show when they happen (far left = beginning, far right = end). Just read the actual text in the pic.

I made it to Toll the Hounds in the main series, then went back and caught up with the novels. I'd rather read the books chronologically, but not Night of Knives before Deadhouse Gates.

Reposting from last thread while the knuckle-draggers and halfwits debate gonads. Ready to read some decent, non-derivative fantasy after just finishing and loving LotR. I have The Worm Ouroboros and The Broken Sword. Any good? Suggestions? I'll probably go with Worm first, but I'm curious about Veeky Forums's opinions.

The dragonlance chronicles. It's LOTR meets D&D

Yeah, you're right

Didn't get any good suggestions in the last thread? Sorry about that. I actually recommended TNotW to you, and while I can certainly say it isn't what you're looking for (ie, self-proclaimed "intellectual" and complete prick tells you how awesome his "post-modern decontsruction" is, because it's so subversive), but I'm having the time of my life reading this Wordpress just ripping this piece of trash in half.

No worries, I appreciate the suggestion, but I've heard worse about Rothfuss than Sanderson. And while I've done it with films, I've never really consumed a book because it was so entertainingly bad. Might be fun? I'm probably the slowest reader I know though, so I usually drop a book if it hasn't shown anything slightly interesting in the first hundred or so pages. Still, to each their own.

Seems really derivative, but all the same Keith Parkinson did some illustrations for it. That automatically makes it interesting in my book. Might check it out! Where to start my friend?

I haven't read it myself, just following the Wordpress that summarizes most of it and occasionally gives snippets and quotes directly from the text, but I think that would be a really bad idea. It has hundreds of pages of filler. Like, this book is almost 700 pages long, and here's what's happened:
>We learn a bit about Kvothe, mostly just vague hints at his backstory, but the important part is that he's a living legend (at fucking 25 no less). This is the framing device through which nearly every part of the book is told.
>Kvothe talks about his parents, and tells us how he learned about magic and science.
>Kvothe's parents murdered by mysterious people, he lives in the woods for 6 months.
>Travels to a city where he lives as a thief/beggar for 3 years.
>Gets money.
>Leaves to another city and goes to magic school.
>Tries to learn more about the mysterious people who murdered his parents, gets roadblocked every time.
>Gets money.
>Finds a love interest.
>Kills a dragon.
That's pretty much it so far. When I was reading about Kvothe living in the city for 3 years, I was hoping that Kvothe would learn some thief skills, or some sort of knowledge, that would be very useful later down the road, because that's pretty much the only reason why that detour in the plot would be excusable. Guess what, that doesn't happen. It honestly feels like Rothfuss is working from four or five different outlines with different plots and styles. The main plot, I think, is for Kvothe to find the guy who murdered his parents and get justice. But he has to get a stupid book to do it, and the librarian is a cunt and gets him banned from the library. Not making that up, that is the major obstacle for our hero. He then seems to just forget about it up to this point. And the dragon isn't related to anything. This whole thing feels like half-baked fanfiction.

>Travels to a city where he lives as a thief/beggar for 3 years.
You know, I didn't understand this part, It mentioned multiple times sub-par mages often use their magic to keep perishables fresh, why the fuck did Kvothe do this? Why the fuck did he forget he knew how to do shittons of basic magic.

Christ this sounds insufferable. I'll check out that wordpress though, sounds like a fun read. I find of all the Gary Stus/Mary Sues, the ones in fantasy books are the worst.