Why do geneticists insist on denying that polynesians migrated to the Andes?
(Phys.org)—A French based research team has found DNA evidence in sweet potato samples that suggests that early Polynesian explorers visited South America. Those early explorers, the researchers write in their paper published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, brought the sweet potato back with them when they returned from their long voyages.
Polynesians were literally everywhere. Those fuckers could navigate the seas like no other.
Blake Lopez
i guess native americans arent so native huh
Daniel Hill
Theres also evidence that andeans later went back to the sea - see, for instance, Kontiki. Ancient humans just went, and god damn were they brave to do so.
Jacob Collins
They are though. America belongs to Amerindians the same as europe belongs to europeans. How is this hard to get?
Josiah Torres
>denying They don't. The consensus confirms that Polynesians brought some plants and populations, yet Andeans were already there.
Jace Wright
but there were polynesians there before the amerindians
Leo Morales
Can you find me a haplogroup migration map that shows the connection?
Austin Garcia
>europe belongs to europeans
ill be so fucking glad when retards like you get completely outbred and we can finally have some peace
Isaiah Ramirez
I'm too lazy with my phone. You can just google it yourself: "rapanui america". And you can find research that literally confirms that polynesians reached America before europeans. But there were Amerindians there already. >haplogroups These components generalize a lot. The ammount of polynesians were small compared to andeans, yet they can be studied. Also andeans also sailed to Polynesian islands, yet the expeditionaries were less than 1000 probably. Look for "tupac yupanqui descubridor de oceania". It compiles the most recent research instead of reading the incomplete and slow conclusions that are archived in wikipedia.
Lincoln Ortiz
>denies archeological facts Try again, subhuman. America belongs to Amerindians the same as europe belongs to europeans. How is this even a question?
Camden Adams
We can follow some of the haplogroups, In the OP photo notice haplogroup B identifes a migration over the bering straight. While this was possible for haplogroup A, it was not for B, C, or D.
The whole point of this post was that I want to see some genetecist who admits that polynesians migrated to the Andes, I really do not know why anyone would deny this, but finding that no one will support it is beyond me.
It all comes down to dates, and I'm not sure why they are messing with dates of other finds. OP Photo shows human genesis in Africa 200,000 YBP, but we have heidelbergensis man in Saudi Arabia 1,000,000 YBP.
I just want to know what the game is that they are playing. Why are they messing with dates and making it all confusing.
Is this an occultation?
Aiden Green
You can see in OP's link that they migrated there already. South-American natives have a slight difference of genetics compared to the other Amerindians, and this is explained by the Polynesian influence. Yet Amerindians were there in 15000BC already.
Jonathan Campbell
Heidelbergensis doesn't belong to the Spaniens derivations. It's related to the neanderthal Homos.
Elijah Morgan
>I'll be so fucking glad when white people are gone
Some science is iffy, this post is about that specific topic. I'd love to be certain of anything of the origins of species; unfortunately there is nothing even close to a consensus.
Carson Reed
I think the right one is the "right" one. Also, Amerindians have more neanderthal influence than europeans and asians. Were neanderthals in America already?
Jordan Sanchez
>white A non-scientific consensus coherent term.
Nathaniel Howard
I haven't seen anything on it. There were Two major migrations I have found. One is the 'Red Man' who migrated to northeastern Asia, and then were pushed out by the 'Yellow man' over the bering. Then later a migration over the arctic from northwestern Europe, but this happened later and doesn't have much of an impact. Lastly the significiance of the post, is wether the Haplogroup B migrated over the bering strait or via the andes (polynesian migration) and north into mesoamerica, and later into Florida.
Matthew Ward
Any confirmed dates?
Nolan Adams
Not really, but the Haplogroup A migrated prior to the Indian genetic modifier event and the mesopotamian modifier event.
>Anatomically modern humans (Homo sapiens) evolved from archaic humans in the Middle Paleolithic, at roughly 300,000 to 200,000 years ago. The emergence of anatomically modern humans marks the dawn of the species Homo sapiens, i.e. the species to which all humans alive today belong.
the Heidelbergensis man started around 1,000,000YBP and evolved until Anatomically Modern Human ~200,000YBP at which point I would hypothesize the Indian modifier happened. Wild guesses, puts the 'Red Man' in NorthEast Asia around 95,000YBP the bering strait migration would put the 'Red Man' in the Americas at around 85,000 YBP.
This is making the assumption that they left Prior to Behaviorally modern humans and evolved in tandem with the AMH.
so when races dont exist its not racism when we dont want niggers and other subhumans in europe?
Andrew Davis
>So when Irrelevant. It's a non scientific non consensus nor coherent term. Try again.
Michael Anderson
There were cave paintings from 24000BC in Alaska. Amerindians musr be a mix of those protohumans and humans. But I'm curious about how did that much Neanderthal DNA got into the Native gene pool.
David Nguyen
I've never heard of that. can you link me a source? 24k? that could have been a tribe running from extinction. Cro-Magnon, Neanderthals, and the European man went through terribly violent extinction wars.
Jacob Parker
Any reason you arent triggered by the america belongs to amerindians part of this post?
Michael Peterson
same fucking faggot that autistically defends amerindians superiority over Europeans in every fucking single thread. Go fuck off you little fucking spick. The only worthy races for this world are the asians and europeans
Jason Nelson
(64:6.9) After crossing over to America from China, the northern red man never again came in contact with other world influences (except the Eskimo) until he was later discovered by the white man. It was most unfortunate that the red man almost completely missed his opportunity of being upstepped by the admixture of the later Adamic stock. As it was, the red man could not rule the white man, and he would not willingly serve him. In such a circumstance, if the two races do not blend, one or the other is doomed.
I love my Amerindian Brothers.
Austin Carter
Amerindians are literally asians.
Levi Allen
im part amerindian (cherokee) ask me shit no im not "IM 5% CHEROKEE LULZ !!!" my grandma was actual cherokee
Asher Turner
Wow I thought amerindians were in america I guess they live in asia now huh
Xavier Reyes
And that's why race is a retarded concept. They're literally Asians that migrated across Alaska and weren't isolated for that long.
Bentley Collins
YOU'RE 17% CHEROKEE LULZ!!!
Brandon Davis
no
Jackson Jones
Bluefish caves. The european man was the cro magnon. The rest are immigrants.
Nathaniel Carter
right, it might be 5% cherokee and 12% other tribes
Joseph Johnson
No you freaking retard they are the same racial group as east asians, thats why they look like east asians.
Evan Johnson
>from china Only 3 skulls on a cave support this "theory".
Nolan Adams
Europeans existed long before Amerindians so a European race makes sense.
Charles Diaz
>denies consensus Amerindians had a higher development rate compared to europeans. Deal with it.
Christopher Miller
The Bering strait theory?
Christian Cox
wow 2018 still believing in race wew lad!
Josiah Taylor
>not believing in race in 2018
just how pseud are you?
Sebastian Mitchell
The haplogroup origin obviously.
Henry Baker
>believing Pseudoscience.
Jackson Brown
What is the alternative?
Christopher Rodriguez
What was the alternative of all physics theories before they were demonstrated scientifically? The 3 skull poor sample source is admitted by researchers. A poor inductive based research deserves to be doubted and criticized.
Christian King
creationism?
Gabriel Green
Human migrations are complex and people have been fucking each other for thousands of years. Races are just manmade boundaries to try and group similar ethnicity together. Ethnicity is very real but there's no hard and fast racial groups.
If you've taken an evolutionary biology class (which I doubt you have) you would know that even species are not so easily defined all the time. Hybrids (horse + donkey = mule) or ring species (can only interbreed with geographically adjacent populations) make the lines fuzzy. That doesn't mean humans and bears aren't different species, just that boundaries aren't always clearly defined
Grayson Diaz
There is no kool-aid left for the rest of us. You drank it all.
You are proposing that a Mongolian, and an Congolese are the same.
Brody Rogers
No you moron, I am saying all Africans are SIMILAR to each other and so are all asians but you can't divide everyone into white/black/hispanic
Are Abbos and Ethiopians both just "black" when there's a vast genetic gulf between them? Are Finns and greeks white? Are Samoyeds just asian?
Jaxon Ramirez
Name calling makes you look to have a weak arguent.
of course not. there are human aboriginals. There are colored races centered from north of India, and there was a genetic uplifting centered in Mesopotamia.
I agree, we are very mixed now, however not many Native Amerindians ever made it to Africa, and until the white man arrived in the Americas, there weren't many Black men who made it to the Americas.
Gabriel Gonzalez
>Were neanderthals in America already? I thought they were isolated to europe, denisovans were situated to the east.
Kayden Cruz
The point is that it's poorly sustained, and it should be considered that it is wrong. Can we agree?
Lincoln Green
You haven't defended your case for racial boundaries at all, you've only reinforced my case. > there are human aboriginals. There are colored races centered from north of India, and there was a genetic uplifting centered in Mesopotamia. Is English not your first language? Because you really need to word this better.
Eli Parker
I agree we have forgot our racial boundaries. I use the point of the Saami people, who aren't 'white' but skin is white. White, Oriental, Black, are smearing tricks and only make the situation more complicated. Also, I believe strongly in race mixing. How better to eliminate genetic diseases than to mix it out.
the boundaries don't exist as distinct as racial supremacists would like them to, but I am no racial supremacist.
Bentley Thompson
>believe strongly in race mixing You can't stop it though. The most intelligent will always rule over the less intelligent.
Lucas Hughes
intelligence is influenced by; biology, sociology, community, ecology, culture, and innate genius.
Race is only a subset of biology, the bias that it provides can be argued and identified, but its not everything.
Oliver Taylor
What's makes a person white? I'm Irish and as far as i am able to track my family would have been treated worse then field niggers for a lot of history. Now I'm a white dude and I'm part of the problem. What's with this? How does that happen?
Jose Richardson
White is the 'Blue Man' think germanic hoardes, mixed with the human aboriginal 'think heidelbergensis man', and the uplifted stock from mesopotamia and the Caucasoidals from eastern europe through central asia.
Nathan Turner
You're too retarded to post here. Go home.
Anthony Lopez
What's makes that the case though? Why does that make me "white" like other people are "white" when my great grandparents would not have been seen as part of the same group as other "white" People? Why weren't my grandparents "white" too? That's my race isn't it as a "white" person?
Elijah Parker
intelligence is fixed with about 80% genetic influence at age 25 for males. it is absolutely not influenced strongly by your culture. if this was the case people born on farms couldn’t be rocket scientists. intelligence is an inborn trait and is extemely heritable, more so than even height is. Niggers and spics are stupid because their ancestors got fucked over with selection pressures. That’s it. There’s no agents to blame. Just random noise and physical mechanisms. No accountability. Being a nazi doesn’t make sense because Jews and nogs do what they do without being able to control it; just as whytes are destructive narcissistic degenerates because of physical mechanisms and nothing more. You all built a razor trap lock box you’ll never escape. Enjoy it!
Colton Adams
>intelligence is fixed with about 80% genetic influence at age 25 for males. it is absolutely not influenced strongly by your Citation needed. Not saying you're a stupid lying nazi or something but it feels like this is the type of argument someone like that might make without reasonable evidence.
Nathaniel Jones
In colonial America the Irish we're indentured servants. You call that worse than 19th century slavery?
Justin Reyes
Donald Trump is president, claim dismissed. And I'm not even one of those Fuck Drunkf people, I just think his IQ is literally around 90, he's quite retarded.
Asher Perez
One of my ancestors, according to the records I've found, was bought as a slave specifically becuase it was cheaper to buy an Irish slave than a black one. They supposedly had three "milato" kids with a black slave later.
That's what im talking about.
Matthew Nelson
>Fuck Drumpf, and I'm not even one of those Fuck Drunkf people what did he mean by this
Ayden James
Actually Amerindians had a higher development rate compared to europeans. That would put them superior to europeans.
Luis Hernandez
You have autism, go to a /pol if you want to talk politics.
Juan Morris
I don't. You are the one who's talking about politics so much that you have to bring your opinions on the president up.
Juan Jones
See, you're confused. You seem to think I made the post you originally replied to. I did not. You failed to ignore the political post, therefore you want to talk about, therefore you're on the wrong board. Go away.
Cooper Lopez
I'm not one to criticize the records you have, but your description is almost verbatim of old debunked propaganda. I'd be skeptical.
Colton Carter
I wouldn't be surprised if it was less than tyre, we are talking about large amount of time here. That's just what's been presented to me as true and what if be referring to by saying they were treated worse than blacks contemporarily.
Jason Morgan
Hey jackass race is nothing more clusters of ethnic groups into one genetic subdivision thats why we call ALL EUROPEANS A SINGLE WHITE RACE AND ALL BLACKS A SINGLE CONGOID RACE. If you cant actually understand what race is you need to get off this board.
Blake King
Human intelligence is just like animal intelligence its based on the environment meaning race determines intelligence as different races have different environmental prressures.
The very fact we have TWO races that behave like unhinged childish psychopaths that ALSO LIVE IN TROPICAL RAINFOREST climates and then we have TWO INTELLIGENT IMPULSE REGULATED GROUPS that ALOS LIVE IN TEMPERATE SEASONAL CLIMATES proves the idea that intelligence isnt controlled by race is horseshit.
The fucking fact dog breeds dont have equal intellect debunks this wishy washy feel good nonsense.
William Martinez
Go back to /pol/
Elijah Ross
Thats all you can do shut your ears to the truth about humanity. We are animals fool so we are nothing more than slaves to our environment slaves to natural selection and evolution. Cry all you want that Mazumba will never amount to shit and be a psycho who slices up people in Mali for no rational reason but thats just how it is. Some humans were meant for civlization others are meant to be wild animals.
Jaxon Cook
Go back to /pol/
Spout your alternative facts over there.
Camden Roberts
you can only hide for so long retard
Juan Richardson
You're a fucking mongoloid. Kill yourself sub-human.
Mason Murphy
So you are subhuman if you believe humans can be broken down into genetid subdivisions and that their base behavior is tied to these divisions?
No user thats called thinking rationally.
Hunter Torres
The subdivisions are biologically arbitrary. You can break it down so many different ways and always find statistical trends. Having behavior tied to skin color makes no biological sense. To deny that race is just a social construct in 2017 is retarded-tier.
Hunter Foster
The correlations you are seeing are not even there to be confused for a cuase but you still think youre the smart one.
Blake Fisher
>behavior tied to skin color makes no biological sense. >skin color Please be joking user, you must have seen an actual african before and notice the many physical differences between it and you. No you think you are the smart one, you are acting like a typical holier than thou libtard who is enlightened he doesnt see race.
Jason Torres
>HUMANS ARE THE SAME I SWEAR!
Nathaniel Fisher
>R..RACE DOESNT EXIST ITS JUST PSEUDOSCIENCE!!!
Nicholas Lee
>SHUT UP YOU RACIST ITS NOT TRUE Y..YOU SUBHUMAN!
Hunter Rodriguez
>it This is Veeky Forums. Africans are undeniably human. Stop bringing your retarded biases onto my pure board. If you want to complain that you see people who aren't white there's a containment board just for you.
Jaxon Barnes
Yes niggers are human but not the same type of human as Eurasians fool. Support blacks all you want it ends in them mutilating you very painfully like in South Africa or Zimbabwe.
Isaac Rodriguez
>retarded bias Do you even live around black people? No then shut the fuck up because you know a damn thing about how blacks act naturally when whitey isnt around. I call them "it" because they behave like unhinged wild people. My bias are not retarded at all you have the retarded bias because you use empathy as a form of reasoning instead of logical facts.
Isaac Walker
This is exactly the type of autism that should be sent to /pol. You don't belong on a science and math board