Did any reading this used to browse or enjoy Veeky Forums or Veeky Forums but after pursuing or attaining an academic degree find it repulsive? This is currently the case for me.
The content, knowledge and generally the tone is incredibly uneducated and juvenile, I'd bet good money most users philosophical knowledge comes from a handful at most existential books and some wikipedia articles, the same holding relatively true for other disciplines.
The format of Veeky Forums seems wholly unconductive to generating any worthwhile academic discussion.
Charles Scott
I'm just about to graduate with a degree in Linguistics. I hide and don't even bother to look at linguistics threads because I know I'll get intellectually triggered by them.
Liam Cox
I look at the other way. Discussions of philosophy in a university setting are juvenile, simplistic and overly dogmatic. It's basically Veeky Forums level discourse IRL. The only difference is that here you're not paying five figures to have it.
College is for the slaves
Connor Wright
This isn't necessarily for intelligent discussion and not every one is going to have a good option compressor to your own. I feel the same as you. But we're here for memes and jokes about intelligent discussion. Soemthing most normies and dumb normies wouldn't understand. We're here for fun. That's kinda the point of life and exist in my opinion. Is to enjoy it and take pleasure. Don't be too hedonistic though. Always work hard to improve.
Christian Davis
>liking Veeky Forums they're like the /jp/ of Veeky Forums
Leo Williams
*good opinion compared to. Fucking fingers
Levi Brown
>Implying that's a bad thing
Carson Wood
I liked it more after I got my degree because I could start helping people out with concrete recommendations, from the perspective of a student who still remembers how hard it is to learn shit.
A lot of people here are really earnest to learn shit in a way that just doesn't exist elsewhere, especially at college itself. Everyone's a preening cunt at university. As soon as they get some ground to stand on, they start jerking off on it. People here seem to have the tacit assumption that unless you have read Kant inside and out, while standing on your head, you shouldn't even presume to comment on Hegel. It may have its downsides but it produces a lot of intellectual honesty.
Gabriel Reyes
didn't actually like Veeky Forums, always shit, just included it as its relevant to my specialisation yikes
Justin James
wtf i love /jp/ now his still a shit
Kevin Jones
From what I see here people assume to comment on any and every philosopher with a glaring lack of knowledge and are then similarly "refuted" by one of the same kind.
Perhaps I don't browse enough threads?
Landon Garcia
Holup so you don't like how nearly everybody here loves Plato and hates the rest?
Andrew Jenkins
nobody with any sense likes that. read herakleitos, you fucking fascist.
Logan Walker
>kant >academic
David Kelly
are you one of those "he never left his home town" fantasists?
Benjamin Miller
Except he literally never went more than 10 miles from his home
Nolan Brooks
just avoid the threads where you know something about the subject. That's what I do and it usually works out okay. But also, are you seriously coming to Veeky Forums to have academic discussions? Are you up to date on current events? Veeky Forums has been raided... there's a spectre haunting Veeky Forums
Lincoln Young
my tastes in shitposts and funposts is that they reflect some degree of knowledge too, sadly.
Eli Wood
>The format of Veeky Forums seems wholly unconductive to generating any worthwhile academic discussion. If you are just realizing this you aren't as smart as you think.
Brody Price
Veeky Forums has always been full of bullshit, that's almost the point
the good part is that you're free to call out the bullshit and then call the poster an uneducated faggot
see it's time for you to start jerking off all over Veeky Forums
if you don't find satisfaction in that then leave before you waste more time on this godforsaken site
Logan Howard
Are you kidding? I started coming to Veeky Forums after starting my masters because I get a higher standard of academic or intellectual discussion here than I ever did at uni. I don't for a moment think of it as a substitute, but I find that the anonymity of Veeky Forums goes some way towards stripping away the ego element of academic discussion and can actually help it. Talking to other students I generally find that most of them don't want to talk about their subject, or if they do, they have an understanding of it not much better than Veeky Forums memes. Of course you can have some really stimulating discussion with actual academics, postdocs, PhD students (sometimes - only sometimes) etc., but in general I've found this aspect really disappointing at postgrad level. And before you say it's because I go to a shit uni, I did my undergrad at an excellent uni and it wasn't so much different there - you could find intellectual conversation if you really went looking for it but most people didn't really seem to want to talk about "class stuff" outside of class.
Basically I agree (at least partly) with these guys:
Aiden Ortiz
Except he literally went to teach in what is modern day Poland and Russia, both of which are more than twice that distance from Koningsberg.
Oliver Flores
Im finally ready to start with the Greeks. What are some good translations of pre-Socratics and homer?
Owen Ward
>because I get a higher standard of academic or intellectual discussion here than I ever did at uni.
Could you give me just two examples of high-level discussions you've had here in the past year?
Grayson Wilson
>The format of Veeky Forums seems wholly unconductive to generating any worthwhile academic discussion oh wow look @ mister college fucken educated boi here with his grand discoveries about medium specificity. who else could have possibly recognized that a website whose threads only exist for a few hours and then disappear into oblivion is not a place conducive to complex and well thought out discussions?
dude fucking get over yourself. as others here have said Veeky Forums is for fun and banter and if you come here expecting serious discussion youre using the site entirely wrong. do you think anyone here actually thinks 'oh boy cant wait to boot up Veeky Forums today to discuss synthetic a priori propositions'?
a lot of us here are pretty knowledgeable in philosophy and given the right thread people can be surprisingly insightful (girardfag being the prime example). but if im going to be at all serious about philosophy ill read a fucking book. the reason i come on this site is because there is literally nowhere else that i can be called a faggot for my interpretation of heidegger and the absurd collision of high and low culture will always entertain me.
ever have someone in your philosophy class who wont stop sucking a philosopher's dick and generally being an obnoxious blowhard? well Veeky Forums is where you come to talk shit about those people because youll be ostracized if you do it in real life. Veeky Forums doesnt contain much philosophical value for its careful analysis or understanding of philosophers. its a place for hobbyists to hang out. and the fact that there are memes of philosophers pleases me more than knowing that there is another sterile board to discuss philo in an orderly manner.
Liam Phillips
as you say though "you could find intellectual conversation if you really went looking for it". "Of course you can have some really stimulating discussion with actual academics, postdocs, PhD students (sometimes - only sometimes) etc"
Of course most other students aren't going to have much to say, a lot of them just want to do the bare minimum, or have no real thoughts on the subject other than what they are taught or expected.
I'm interested to hear where you found the most disappointment in intellectual discussion? I certainly agree with you that most other students, discussion in labs and tutorials is often reprehensible, although quickly shot down by the professor/teacher.
Personally the most interesting discussions I find with tutors and professors, or other students who would then do well and I would continue to see as we progressed down similar academic paths. Is it likewise for you?
Benjamin Murphy
shut up faggot
Elijah Harris
>be in university >enjoy Veeky Forums discussion >come to Veeky Forums every day >get to grad school >finally start to reach levels of real expertise and higher understanding in the humanities >knowledge of literature, philosophy, and history finally starts to get reasonably comprehensive >suddenly realize all the conversation on this board is uniformly plebeian third year undergrad tier >suddenly realize not a single thread's level of discourse ever rises above "vaguely familiar with the topic at hand" >suddenly realize this entire board is just catharsis for undergraduates who can't be too pretentious at university because they'll get slapped down by more knowledgeable people so they have to do it here >suddenly realize this is an entire board filled with dabblers who are sorta earnestly interested in talking about stuff like literary postmodernism, but too lazy to put the time in and actually go read about it
Eli Sanchez
but youre still here faggot
Noah Allen
>recognize obnoxious earlier versions of yourself >Tat Tvam Asi
Brayden Stewart
why do all our postgrad students suffer from the kind of dumb that stops them from samefagging their subject into precision these days? half this board only knows shit about heidegger because the people dumb enough to go post grad in heidegger at least knew to shill it to the point of creating pornpasta. i miss heidegger porn.
Carter Butler
Yes
Lucas Clark
I'm a classical studies major and I like to help people who want to learn. Of course there isn't often an academic level discourse here, but you find it here and there and discussions are interesting. I think you held Veeky Forums to a high esteem as you came here to feel good about yourself ; now that you're in academia you found a better channel for your petty sentiments.
Eli Taylor
Hear, hear. Practical, generous, real.
Brody Jackson
on a semi-related note:
which board on Veeky Forums has the highest barrier to entry?
Josiah Sullivan
Ignorance speaks.
Jonathan Sanchez
>I started coming to Veeky Forums after starting my masters because I get a higher standard of academic or intellectual discussion here than I ever did at uni. What the actual fuck? Where are these discussions? Can you link me to their threads? Or do you just go to a really bad university?
Gabriel Gomez
Veeky Forums and reddit are for teenagers. i'm getting my phd in philosophy and come here to shitpost after a long day's work but never for a single fucking second would i ever consider taking anything i saw here seriously
Alexander Cox
>constant existentialist circlejerk >unending cycle of nietzsche threads >eternal scapegoating of analytic philosophy from people who form value judgements of entire intellectual traditions because they saw a single unflattering russell quote on google images >"do i HAVE to start with the greeks?" >self-hating illiterates who decry the positivist/physicalist/scientism bogeyman while proclaiming the irrelevance of metaphysics in the face of scientific advancement >pop-history understanding of history >pop-science understanding of science >nobody actually reads
It's like I walked into digital high school
Brayden Sanders
It's time to listen.
Nathan Nelson
I'm still in fucking high school and I've realized this already. Veeky Forums is a highly isolated place that develops its own ideas, which are neat to explore for a year or two. It's good to step out of the mainstream comfort zone, but, yeah, of course, staying on the Veeky Forums level long term is pretty sad if you are serious about a subject.
Dominic Bailey
Lol stfu and go find some job at Starbucks with your meme degree
