/nrx/ neoreaction general

funny, I just started reading Moldbug's blog for the first time tonight OP

it was interesting. I'd already considered myself a "political reactionary" I suppose, but I found the over-arching historical narrative he provides in "open letter to open-minded progressives" a little hard to picture and discordant with my internal perspective, which I suppose is the expected effect, and makes sense given that regardless of how I perceive myself, I'd still have been inundated with "progressivism" my whole life - but alongside that there was a lot of pretty insightful stuff

I'm not sure I'm entirely comfortable with the narrative of "progress" moving in generally one direction, whether it comes from a progressive or reactionary perspective. there have been so many changes and variations even in the past few centuries, with strong general strends, but while I'm pessimistic about many sociopolitical/zeitgeist changes I'm not sure that most or all coalesce with each other either in causality or some other underlying theme. Moldbug is likely simplfying for convenience, but I have a bit of an aversion to holistic, explanatory historical narratives

His most appealing characteristic to me, something that I came to cherish independently a while ago, is his open-mindedness and relative lack of ideological prejudice and histrionics. Even as a Jew he is not averse to seriously grappling with anti-semitic belief systems, which I find admirable. I'm glad I've come to a similar position where, as a homo, I don't feel particularly threatened offended or "put off" value systems which condemn homosexual behaviour or by criticism of homosexuality/homosexuals

captcha: voltaire segesta

pls no upscale /pol/

don't be plebbish enough to fall for this fucking meme ideology

The press has thrown many different insults at Yarvin, but I have yet to see anyone mainstream talk about how he thinks global warming is a hoax. You'd think that'd be one of the first things they'd hit him with.

Remember to not only read Moldbug and the people he recommends. The guy basically defines himself as a free-thinker, but loads of NRs never actually read any progressive books after they encounter him, which is a always a surefire way to have buggy thinking

slatestarcodex.com/2013/10/20/the-anti-reactionary-faq/

Take your time and read through this:
voegelinview.com/the-rise-of-the-reactionary/
voegelinview.com/rise-reactionary-part-ii/
voegelinview.com/rise-reactionary-part-iii/

One aspect I'm disappointed with is that they didn't advance the NRx equivalent of "Situationist prank" beyond heckling "Bill Clinton is a rapist".

Although thinking about how unsuccessful similar stunts have been throughout history perhaps that was for the best?

What is the connection between the New European Right and neoreactionaries?

Influenced by the same Marxists but other than that they've got completely different views and goals.

it's less of a meme than Marxism. That is, it has more reasonable priors

>Implying they aren't Right-Wing Marxists

The foundational texts are more reasonable but Marxists built up more sensible theory once they realised how dumb Marx had been. NeoReeees, not so much.

/pol/ is downscale NRx newfriend.

>built up more sensible theory

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Bottom line is politics is the mindkiller and should be kept out of my Veeky Forums.

So in other words you haven't actually read anything mentioned in this thread? or you would know Isn't a meme, the foundational texts and theories are literally popular French Marxists like Deleuze, Barthes and Reich right?

Communism is as American as apple pie.

Not really. /pol/ is for whatever will get the darkies out of their countries and get them a loyal white gf.

Being Hegelian =/= being Marxist. I don't refer to non-leftists as Marxists because that's not the colloquial meaning, whatever MM thinks.

>nrx thread
>just some idiot trying to shoehorn Marxism into every post

*teleports out of thread*

MM doesn't think that, at mentioned earlier in the thread they're extremely shy about admitting their influences.

>a soup of snarky geek culture
>“Cultural Marxist” invasion of Hollywood and the computer games industry
>bolted to the Gnostic fantasy worlds of computer war-games

People really zero in on the "nerd" thing with this, don't they?

They're desperate, they know they've lost the cultural war and they won't back down, all they've got left is character assassination.

jacobinmag.com/2017/03/jason-reza-jorjani-stony-brook-alt-right-arktos-continental-philosophy-modernity-enlightenment

Fuck off, NRx is dead.

this

we're officially in the zone now

Do keep reading though, the second part deals with Moldbug and Land directly, the third with Nietzsche and Deleuze.

>lost the cultural war
getting memed on by nerds on the internet does not equate to relinquishing power of universities and the media user

>link
What's funny is that I cannot think of anyone in what's left of the left (pun originally not intended) believing that going neo-Enlightenment is bad, and at the same time believing that it can happen.

>He hasn't read the leaked the Shareblue files
That's literally what the DNC believe and the US military and the EU are researching and manipulating /pol/ to learn how to weaponize memes.

Also pic related to:
wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_11629155.html

The Vault 7 leaks were hilarious, the CIA's memetic division was so outdated.

>the CIA's memetic division was so outdated.
I mean the bloody ISIS goatfuckers were on top of them on the topic of memetic warfare for years.

I think China could turn like half of all of us into New Confucians before they even notice any changes.

>jenkins! gimme the rundown on this hot new Veeky Forums meme that's making the rounds

>s-sir, i... i don't get it, it's just a scene from the new batman film

otoh i wonder if any 'big' meme is a cia operation

here come dat boi gives me heavy psyop vibes

They definitely are experimenting to see how far can their internet equivalent of a message in a bottle go, how many people it can reach, etc.

This one tries to advertise something as something else.

Deception by any other name.

Trump revived NRx when he sidelined Bannon and bombed Syria

We still don't know that, there's a real possibility that Assad and Putin were in cahoots with Trump.

>bombing Syria
>anything but a neoliberal move

the closest, pathetic things we have to NRx-like states is the fact that the homeowner association has more power than the entirety of people living in a community and that billions of people will become tech serfs because smartphones made them technologically illiterate

the realizations of Moldbugs ideals will be unspectacular and soul-crushing

>anything but a neoliberal move
that's the point dingbat
Trump weakened NRx because he supposedly showed the Cathedral as fragile, but capitulating to neoliberalism nullifies that

unless some Urbit fiefdom is about to release housing and defense contracts NRx has no plan

This one even the author admits he's wrong

This one has ok research, but the butthurt is too obvious. Take it easy breuh.

...

You gotta be careful around the SSC and LW cults senpai.

>NRx has no plan
You don't need a plan when you've dialled accelerationism up to 11, the future can sort itself out, the present-day is what's at risk.

>the future will become as dark, aristocratic, and fantastic as I wish it to be, automagically

That's actually somewhat true desu, everyone forgets about Eugene Debs.

I follow this page and it's seriously fucking me up, I often find myself staring at them for 10 minutes trying to find the hidden narrative.

Is this what the Pynchmemer was warning us against, Veeky Forums?

I recently started reading UR from the beginning. I'm up to June '07 now.

I think he's a great political theorist but his insights aren't particularly revolutionary, which he admits. His critique of progressivism as a form of crypto-christianity for instance, was done by Nietzsche over a hundred years earlier.

I especially enjoy his exchanges with Nick Szabo in the comment section though.

I also follow Land and Sailer's blogs regularly, which are always witty and insightful.

Overall, it's probably the most interesting movement in political philosophy at the moment, but like every school of thought, many of writers are sub par.

Just chili out man, it's the North Pole

They are reacting against something that doesn't exist. We don't actually have a democracy, hence the idea that we should move away from democracy is silly. What we have is a hybrid of a representative republic with an oligarchy. There are multiple competing power centers of different varieties - financial concentrations, bureaucratic concentrations, various groups in the intelligence community, and of course also the official power groupings - various governments on the local, state, and federal level.

kek

It's almost like Moldbug doesn't talk about the caste system in the country.

Cont... the funny thing is, we actually could have almost a democracy, if people actually made sure to vote in every single possible election. But they don't. Yet the ballot box is actually a perfectly viable means of effecting change. If the people as a whole wanted to, they could vote in pretty much any system of government. They could amend the constitution. They could set up whatever they wanted. But people don't vote.

If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal.

neo-enlightenment thinking would entail taking science seriously, which would prove many things that leftists hate to be scientifically correct.

I don't know man, Trump's attempting to fulfill some of his campaign promises and the deep state is doing everything in their power to prevent any change.

the Deep State isn't a monolithic entity, but is composed of various factions that infight with each other. Trump got plenty of backing from prominent people, especially from people in the overlap between the religious right and the military.

>automagically
No? If the proper systems are put in place, hence why they have sympathy towards heredity systems.

Why is that? I remember MM mentioning in his comment section that he reads "forgotten, esoteric historians." But yes, no mention of direct influence.

I've got my suspicions he actually knew the right-wing was preparing a explosive co-opting of postmodernism and didn't want to ruin the shock and awe aspect of it.

Do remember this guy was in contact with Bannon who had been planning to run a presidential campaign since at least 2011.

Also the military has been studying and utilizing Deleuze, Debord etc.

Guess who also has connections to the military?

but there are definitely factions of the deep state desperately trying to not only actively limit what trump does, but make his presidency look like an anomaly. the people constantly outputting russian rumors basically.

That's correct, but while the Russian rumors are probably overblown, there is an element of truth to it, in that imo there is some ideological convergence between the American religious right and the Russian religious right. You have Orthodoxy instead of Evangelical Protestantism, but they share ideas like anti-Muslim crusading, Western society becoming degenerate because of liberalism, an apocalyptic mindset, etc.

>there is some ideological convergence between the American religious right and the Russian religious right.

I think this specific connection is kind of a stretch (the officially atheist Soviet Union was not friendly to gays, thought the West was decadent, millennarian conception of history, etc), but I agree there is some convergence in terms of the desire to resist giving up sovereignty to a more global order, to display military strength as a means of protection (rather than the neocon "we're spreading democracy and freedom" idea), and the general focus on national, as opposed to global, security, something Putin managed to bring to the fore of national policy more successfully than anyone else.

>neoreaction
It's like yall wanna live in a capitalist dystopia ruled by computer nerds. Disgusting.

The future is right-wing socialism.

would The Last Psychiatrist be considered nrx?

>Marxists built up more sensible theory once they realised how dumb Marx had been
No they didn't, it's literally assigning capitalism as the cause for everything that causes them anxiety. Marxism of a catalogue for the neuroses of Marxists than it is a real philosophy

Steve Bannon is apparently the rain man of nationalistic literature. Isn't the Israeli army supposedly utilizing D&G's war machine, so as to immobilize an out-State escape?

>a capitalist dystopia ruled by computer nerds
>right-wing socialism
In practice as opposed to in theory, wouldn't those be the same thing?

What's wrong with them?

no, right-wing socialism is a socially conservative government without free markets

they aren't similar at all

abortion is more likely to kill a baby than an unattended gun

abortion is probably the cruelest kind of murder going about, you literally force a human (YOUR human) into existence and then kill them out of convenience, this is a million times more evil than shooing up a school, and a billion times more common

I figure that in practice, a 'capitalist dystopia ruled by computer nerds' would be forced to give socialism to the peasant classes in order to avoid social upheaval. But true, the nerds probably wouldn't care about being socially conservative.

...

We had a thread about this yesterday. LessWrong is pretty much a cult, SSC isn't as bad, but has some of the same problems as LW.

>I figure that in practice, a 'capitalist dystopia ruled by computer nerds' would be forced to give socialism to the peasant classes in order to avoid social upheaval.
Not really. The peasant classes would not own much of anything. They would just be given transfer payments so that they can keep purchasing things.

>there's a real possibility that Assad and Putin were in cahoots with Trump

1488 dimensional Jenga

the future is total capitalist acceleration to destroy humanity as fast as possible

Land pls go

>tfw followed a lot of this stuff back in my /pol/ days

>tfw now understand what a simple life means

my only goal in life is to
1. buy my land outright as much as possible.
2. have a big family
3. have a book for the family that outlines all that's needed to be outlined so my future family can be successful and healthy.

and generally gravitate towards a big aristocratic family who has a mean to defend themselves if needed.

fuck all this shit I just want a good home for my kids who are under my own rules.

I wouldn't consider him NRx, but this guy's and Moldbug's ideas mesh together pretty well.

Pretty similar on my end user. My plan is to head to south america (come from white latinos, so fluent) and earn programming dollars while setting up a life there. Given the differential between my income and the cost of living, I don't think it's at all unrealistic to think I could achieve the lifestyle of a landed noble within 10 years.

>Honestly I think the best posts were the early ones dealing with the castes of the US.

The "Brahmans" vs. "Townies" commentary is my favorite explanation of the American political system.

Maybe they know it's a fight they can't win.

link pls

unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/05/castes-of-united-states.html

Easily stressed people who prefer a quick decision leading to bad things (to others than themselves because obviously they wouldn't become victims), over a drawn-out debate and decision process that would likely prevent that bad outcome (for others and themselves).

nope