MCAT

What does Veeky Forums think about the MCAT and medicine, in general?

Taking it in january, should be a blast

As a bio major, I can say that premeds are the most retarded people in my class. And considering my major that’s really saying something

Literally glorified trade school. The years of med school are inefficient and overly bloated to artificially inflate salaries. One of the last guild systems in the world.

This is obvious when you realize that Nurses and "PAs" increasingly do most of the usual work that doctors do with a fraction of the cost/education (and also why they are being overworked because they are basically cheap doctors). The majority of doctors just know enough to refer to a specialist. Machines and computer algorithms are effectively catching up and surpassing human doctors in many aspects of medicine and the trend will continue.

In regards to the MCAT, I was in a summer internship at a medical school a few years back and their dean of admissions gave us some insight on the application process. In short, what the MCAT represents is your ability to be tested on loads of information/subjects. They need to know that you don't choke when it comes to testing. If you can't do well on the MCAT, what makes you think you'll do well on the USMLE? If you do poor on the USMLE it reflects bad on you and the medical school.

Wait, there are people who major in bio who aren't premeds? What is their motivation?

Academic chemistry is a wasteland because of overpillaging by BigPharma. Physics seems like too little output for the time input. Believe in pure science memes and don't want to go into engineering.
My guess, anyway.

pretty much this

>Literally glorified trade school. The years of med school are inefficient and overly bloated to artificially inflate salaries. One of the last guild systems in the world.
Lots of high salary professions do this kind of thing. Actuarial science used to get memed a lot on this board / on "Top 100 jobs" clickbait articles. It has the most ridiculous exam process for any profession (like 10 exams, 300 hrs of studying each or something) and it's all to keep up an artificial barrier for entry level applicants and to keep salaries high.

>300 hrs of studying each or something
I guess if you're a brainlet?

Med School is certainly not the only profession that does this (the third year of law school is literally pointless). But the guild system makes "doctor shortages" and "higher costs of healthcare" possible. Doctors simply do not need 90+ percent of what they spend time learning. If they go into general medicine, they just need to know enough to refer anything unusual to a specialist. And if they are a specialist, they need to know only a little bit more. So much of healthcare costs are a positive feedback loop associated with trying to recoup costs elsewhere to cover doctor salaries (such as unnecessary procedures).
And the point is that most of what is needed for what is mostly seen at hospitals is something already being taken care of by "physician's assistants" and nurses, with shift doctors just dotting the i's of those assessments. It's egregiously convoluted system that is also deleterious to society. But there are so many vested into how it works that it won't change except at a glacial pace (PA's are part of the thaw).
And this usually comes from my doctor friends anyway. Who feel that their time was wasted for no good reason and their intellect not even remotely challenged (thus the push into specialties). They become overworked and jaded, which can't be how this system should work. Hospitals try to push doctors to work the shift of what should be two to cut costs, when just having two 40 hr doctors should have been fine. Just the economics don't work with the artificially inflated salaries

med student here

pros:

interesting to study (to me)
lingering prestige
decent future job market/salary
sense of fulfillment on an individual scale
only way i get to do surgery on people
can also go research route/industry if desired

cons:

huge debt/opportunity cost
loss of time
poor hours, must constantly work
lots of institutional bullshit/hazing you have to get thru
the future may be bad for the field, but that is like every other field

i would recommend if you truly enjoy studying/learning about the human body and medicine. shadow across specialties to see if any of it clicks for you. i really like the OR.

if you just want to make buku bucks right away don't do it. i won't be making a doctors salary until im in my early/mid 30s.

most premeds ARE retarded. most also don't get in and get weeded out by orgo/phys

Molecular biology fascinates me, I know I won’t make much even if I get a PhD but I think it will be worth it
has got it pretty much right

The definition of a Pyramid scheme.
t. nursing student

Of course they're retarded. How unoriginal is the idea to be doctor? Bottom of the barrel. 90% are retarded normies. The rest are so self-loathing, they can't imagine a career that doesn't involve ingratiating themselves to people they hate even more.

You're clueless about healthcare and education in general. There is a hierarchy in every service/business just about. The top guy doesn't always have to do every aspect of every service/product that they sell/provide patients/customers. Just like a medical assistant can take your vitals, doesn't mean they're nearly as qualified as a nurse, or a PA for that matter. There's a reason they all have to work under doctors care, and why they're paid less. The responsibility lies on the doctor, and small accidents in healthcare have serious consequences. That goes along with not providing proper standard level of care. You give it a go, see how well you do.

Molecular biology isn't the same as biology though.

some of the most selfish and disingenuous people I have ever had the displeasure of working with were premeds.
>constantly asks about other people's gpa
>school is their only conversation topic
>runs 1 or more clubs with a fancy medicine related name but club activities consists only of bake sales and a few socials
>tries to get away with doing the minimum work required to get credit for the job
>will fight each other over some meaningless title
>will withhold info from you if they see you as competitor
>goes into great lengths to kiss the asses of profs and TAs
>constantly flexes on social media about how well rounded they are
>tagging other premeds on shitty med school memes
>totally doing med "because they love helping others, " "it's the only thing they can see themselves doing, " and "would have done it even without the six figure salary."

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>There's a reason they all have to work under doctors care, and why they're paid less.
Liability, not know-how. Again because most of what is seen are a couple dozen various ailments, including life threatening ones. The outliers are usually referred to specialists.