Neomarxism

1.Marxism fails
2.Leftists intellectuals try justify and fix marxism
3.They use psychoanalysis and post-structualism to further their justification of marxist ideals

Psychoanalysis and PS aren't directly about marxism/neomarxism but they are heavily used by neomarxists

You're either naive as fuck or brainwashed into those ideologies.

Any conservative, fascist or capitalist should be a massive fan of Marx, It's wonderfully exploitable.

>Frankfurt school fags (critical theory) explicitly worked towards recreating marxism, not even hiding the fact

>"WUT HAS TO DU WIT MARXISM DOE XDD"
fucking kys monkey

oh ur one of those alt-right dummies who think anything leftist must be "marxist" get a clue foolio

The fact that you use the term "alt-right" shows that you're a huge tool.

No one wants to believe they are the pawns of the larger interests.

Reading history, people laugh at the previous generations for being naive.
Your children will be reading about you and laugh.

so how'd you like trump bombing syria the other day? how do u like jared kushner as the new dick cheney? you thought you were voting for hitler but instead u put a jew in the white house, but no you're not a pawn of greater interests, kys

>not being a cultural marxist islamic LGBTZOG operative, pizzagate division
>mfw

>trump

Who told you I voted for him?
Who told you that I even care about him?
The fact that you constructed a whole narrow identity about me show how much of a tool you are.
And all that by trying to "refute" you being a pawn.
You are the problem.

come on dude, no one with an education rants and raves about cultural marxism or "neomarxism" are is so assflustered over the hotdog school, you can't hide how retarded you are dude, everyone can see it

You're exactly what you hate, only from the left side.
How is that lost on you?

>come on dude, no one with a ZOG indoctrination rants and raves about cultural marxism or "neomarxism" are is so assflustered over the hotdog school, you can't hide how retarded you are dude, everyone can see it

woah im so smart because I believe all the correct things and never commit any thoughtcrime, also I'm a bisexual vegan marxist and suck lots of cock everyday

i'm not a leftist, i already said marxism is fucking stupid, but personally i'm over the "radical young man" phase left or right, i'm fully into neoliberal globalism, deal with it

Hello Destiny, how's the stream going?

Currently the big clash in politics is neolibs vs neocons, right?

sorry i don't watch alt-right e-celeb youtube channels nor visit reddit, fuck off

If I was a neoliberal i'd go full Nick Land psycho accelerationist deep state shill rather than become a self satisfied 'muh rational centrist' reddit dad. Neoliberals are really wasting a great aesthetic.

>It's not a phase Mom!

are you still on the trump train? or was it a phase? i guess u shud have waited for hitler, i'm sure he'll be back any day now

sure but I think the term gets largely misunderstood. social construction doesn't equate to fake, it just refers to abstracted belief on something that is materially there. for example, ancient notions of gender, femininity and masculinity, are radically different from today but that doesn't make either construct as wrong. it just refers to how a society thinks about gender. most leftists agree that race is a social construct and they're right but that doesn't mean ethnic conflict isn't real. where marxists fall down from a post-structural pov is that in their society racism will look different because you don't have the economic disparity but a communist society will still have ethnic conflict. hope that makes it a bit clearer for you desu.

Actually read Deleuze and Foucault, some really interesting stuff there, even if you happen to be a right winger. They were basically Nietzschean edgelords, not intersectional feminists. You get a really distorted view of postructuralism from pop american academia. they simply watered it down into self serving managerialist ideology.

this thread went rapidly to shit.

good job you fucking idiots.

He's a neolib like you actually.

>thinking a thread that has the term "neomarxism" in the op had any chance to not go to shit

>'neomarxism dont real'

I see a lot of problems with social constructivism as it is applied by their proponents.
Lets take two examples, words and race.
Word structure are essentially non-functional and arbitrary mostly.
I can right now name my dog "obongo" and everyone can agree to use it to refer to it, it's entirely non-physical.
Race is physiological, melanin for example blocks more sun damage, that is not a social construction.

That's where the naivety of social constructivists kicks in, they (including you i suppose) believe that we structure around those physiologies, super-structures, and assume race is something more concrete and real than it actually is.

The sexes, we must socially construct how we behave and treat other sexes but those behaviors stem from physiological differences (muscle mass, birth etc) that form complex results.

>le frangfart skool maymays xd

Go back from where you came from

>being this brainwashed
>frankfurt school is a stupid right wing conspiracy

Read carefully this:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

Also Adorno explicitly stated that he wanted to reform marxism and apply it to the west.
There's no fucking conspiracy, they were open about it.
How fucking dumb are you?

social construction is not to say that physiology isn't real, it's to say that how we think about it is socially determined. in tribal societies you have symbolic kinship, meaning that someone with more melanin can be accepted into a tribe with less melanin as kin by accepting their authority/values etc. in liberal societies this is called assimilation but the way we think about it is different from tribal societies because we live in nation-states. race as we think of it is dependent on nation states. a tribal society wouldn't see the same physiological differences we do but they wouldn't conceive of "asian" because in a tribal culture there is no collective known as "asia".

Have you actually read Adorno? he was quite reactionary and pessimistic in many ways, hated what capitalism was doing to humans. The current state of 'identity politics', drenched in oprah like patronizing sentimentality, owes more to corporate diversity seminars and the recuperation of 60s political movements by the market.

Some Leninist countries were infiltrated and bombed and were economically exhausted from all the sanctions, embargoes, and loan blockages imposed on them. Some Leninist countries were able to tough it out and continue existing to this day. Others went fell back to capitalism. It happens. Liberal representative democracy failed many times, until it didn't. Cromwell's England failed, but this didn't mean the United States wouldn't then go off to relative success in the future. The Soviet Union set the precedent and gave us evidence that YES, it can be done. For 75 years it was done. Why did it not fail within the first 5 years or within the first 10 years? Why are so many Leninist states still around?

Where the fuck did i even mention the "right wing conspiracy" you mongoloid.

>calling out retards over not understanding what they're talking about is being brainwashed/not agreeing with my misinterpretation of x philosophy is being brainwashed.

cool

>wikipedia

what a surprise.

I don't think anyone disagrees with that.
Let me try again:
We can cut down race (and even sex) into two different groups, physiological and super-structured.

physiological: bone density, hormonal configuration, melanin, hair texture

social construction: expectations, values, "lore", etc

Saying "race is a social construct" alone is simply wrong.
In everyday life, when we address race, we mean both.
The new-leftist tendency to reduce race only to the socially constructed part is factually wrong and attracts negative attention.

What's the point in saying that a pen is a social construct?
Surely we socially constructed the "mythology"/"lore" of the pen but it has physical properties.
Pen exists as a physical structure.

The only reason the whole "race doesn't exist" continues is because they feel if they say it enough we'll reduce racism.
Unless you admit it's purely utilitarian and has no bearing in philosophical or physiological categories then I don't think you can connect to reality.

Can you link/cite some "race is a social construct" theorists? I've genuinely never heard that.

*I've genuinely never read one.

Good god my attention span is fucked up

What's your argument then?
>inb4 replies with irony and shitposting
Oh well.

Are you the person I was replying to?

>cite that race is a social construct
Who, all modern leftist acadamia?
Literally it is echoed everywhere, from buzzfeed to feminist literature to social sciences

I can directly quote you:
" it just refers to how a society thinks about gender. most leftists agree that race is a social construct and they're right "

right but post-structuralism isn't politically determined. you're veering away from a critique of post-structuralism into a critique of politics. I would also point out that the emphasis on skin colour or melanin is socially constructed. race as conceived by middle-asians during the Silk Road didn't reject melanin but it was less important than religion. the mongols talk about how baffled they were by this conception because building a kinship around religion made no sense in their society of tribal nomads. social construction isn't a rejection of the physiological but an acceptance of how and where we choose to put the emphasis on the difference of humans.

Everyone uses categories to suit their particular ends. Notice how often the notion of 'race' has changed throughout history. It's never scientific, race science only comes later, as a rationalization of existing social relationships, ie. slavery, imperialism. This is far from limited to 'the west' either, the same process can be observed in post colonial africa, the former ottoman empire or even eastern Europe. Currently, you have a liberal managerial state that makes a living mediating between different 'identities' which results in the extreme proliferation of such identities as the managerial class strives to create more work for itself. The alt right's notion of race is a tool for a potentially dystopian and genocidal political ideology, that attempts to portray itself as 'rational' according to the logic of capitalism, but is in effect profoundly irrational and bound to destroy itself.

scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/

Science = race is a social construct
You're done racists, fuck trump, fuck nazis!!!

scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/

you never heard that race is social construct? where the fuck are these plebs coming in from? jesus fucking christ almighty

Paul de Man was outed as a fucking nazi who wrote anti-semitic shit in occupied france, but "post-structuralism is leftism" fuck off

>We can cut down race (and even sex) into two different groups, physiological and super-structured.
>physiological: bone density, hormonal configuration, melanin, hair texture
Physiological differences exist between literally every single human being, even twins, even clones.

Which physiological traits are chosen to be the defining traits for categorization is an end product of social interaction. This end product is what I had always thought is meant by social construction.

Race, like any other categorization, cannot exist independently of this form of social construction.

no, I'm the user you were replying to. but to be clear, I wasn't advocating for leftism I was just referring to the debate on race as we currently conceive of it. I think the right is right in saying that there are clear observable differences but I think the left are right in saying that the importance of differences like skin color are determined because of nation states.

I know that isn't purely politically focused but it is heavily employed by leftists political agendas.

The socially constructed narrative of race is 100% politically driven.
Even you're doing it right now.

Yes, again, I did mention the super-structure of race.
The "lore" I was referring is exactly what you said by emphasis on certain characteristics.

It seems we both can see that race be viewed both from physiological and from socially constructed lenses.

What I'm arguing is that they are TWO different things.
Race from biological perspective is physical.
Race from societal perspective is...well, social.

My problem is that there is a toxic redundancy of the concept of race by the constructivists.
For example, what's the point in saying that being tall ("tallness") is a social construct?
Sure there are various expectations and values in a society of how we view taller people but saying that being tall is a redundancy.

Being tall is a physiological characteristic.
The social meaning of tallness is socially constructed.

Race is a physiological characteristic.
The social meaning of race is socially constructed.

Sure we should not judge people by being tall, and I'd urge my children to not view people of different height as lesser or superior
and I'd reinforce it by repeating that tallness is just something we agreed upon.

If I was the modern social constructivist I'd say "scientists agree that being tall doesn't exist"

Question:
If blacks were significantly less intelligent than whites/asians, what would you do?

give them an extra 300 points on the SAT so some of them can get into harvard and then pretend they are equals...oh wait, we do that now! nevermind.

I do believe that blacks are less intelligent, but I don't hate them, I even like them because they have usually more friendly personalities.

Lefties hate me for thinking that.
Is reality racist?
What should I do, force myself into believing a lie?
Help me out lefties.

>tfw be redpilled nazi collaborator
> use deceit and sophistry to convince a bunch of shrieking feminists and postcolonial queer theory faggots to worship you as a poststructural guru
>after your dead, your true redpilled past is revealed causing a massive shitstorm

Even Based Gamer Sam Hyde, hasn't reached such glorious heights of trolling.

The Soviet Union bears the remarkable honor of being the only nation in human history that had to build walls to keep its population hemmed in it, so I'm quite skeptical of your evidence that it can be done.

I'm a different user, and correct me if I'm wrong, but what I've understood from the link that the other user posted is that when scientists say that "race is a social construct" they don't mean something like "being tall not real" but more something like "race, as a way to study human genes is bad, because it's inaccurate" with "social construct" meaning that it's derived from common misconception. One of the guy they quoted in the article even said that "race" may still be a good "category" when used in a social context. What do you think?

the point is different from which area you're employing social construction. I don't accept that just because one political side employs social construction that it is then 100% politically driven. the point of identifying social constructs in sociology is to study how society works. when we use social constructivism to identify how race is conceived in the society under study then we can use it in the analysis of raw data. any science, whether social or physical, has to be reductionist to a point. so I don't think your beef is with post-structural theory itself but politics in general, which I think is a different discussion since you seem accept social construction but don't agree with its political usage.

Thing is, I believe that different races have significant statistical averages in different behaviors and social strategies.

I believe that a black majority country would devolve into a third world country.
I believe black people are more impulsive, violent, less intelligent, even if you control for environmental causes.

I'd say non-blacks don't have significant differences between them to be taken seriously.
What do you think about that?

I would say to stop believing a lie, you need to broadened your understanding of intelligence and why you think the areas of intelligence you value are there in the first place. having a friendly personality is apart of intelligence just like problem solving is apart of intelligence. so you're kind've contradicting yourself with the value judgement.

>I would say to stop believing a lie
How do you know it's a lie?
>aving a friendly personality is apart of intelligence
No it isn't, a dog can be friendly, doens't mean it can solve equations or engage in complex social behavior.

I think you should stop believing a lie.

>How do you know it's a lie?
you said how do I stop believing in a lie.
>No it isn't, a dog can be friendly, doens't mean it can solve equations or engage in complex social behavior.
so other animals have no intelligence at all? do not engage in complex social behaviour or solve problems in the wild? hm. I don't agree with that.

I'd say that you need to meet more non-black people. Poor white Americans are dumb as shit. They're useful for manual labor only. The same can be said of some Hispanic ethnic groups and some Asian ethnic groups as well. I'm pretty convinced that most laypeople who concern themselves with race and intelligence know that they're on the middle of the bell curve at best, and that they wouldn't survive in a society designed around actual efficiency, so they fall back on muh race feels. I can't wait for race plebs of both the egalitarian and anti-egalitarian varietiesto be sent to the mines so I can finally live in my majority white, pareto optimized iq shredder, desu

>other animals have no intelligence at all?
Is this your first time arguing?
That's a huge logical fallacy.
Ok I'll bite (rawr xD)

Where exactly do I say that animals don't have intelligence?
They are less intelligent, they don't have 0 intelligence, all brains have some form of intelligence, but not 0.
No they do not engage in complex behavior than us, do YOU think that? Maybe you're a dog.

>or solve problems in the wild
I said calculus, jesus fucking christ
>I don't agree with that
With what, with the strawman?
kill yourself.

>1% of x is bad, 99% of y is bad
>in both group bad exists
>therefore they're equally bad
Yup, those mines need you.

humanity definitely won't survive in a society designed around actual efficiency. That's why we are on the way out, even if the nuclear holocaust or ecosystem collapse doesn't get us the drive towards hyperrationalization and efficiency sure will

you said friendliness is not apart of intelligence and used dogs as an example. given animals have intelligence and are friendly, like humans are, then friendliness is apart of intelligence. I think anybody who believes in social conflict theory whether it is class conflict or race conflict betray their ignorance about social behaviour, simple or complex, and should not talk on the subject.

I didn't say that at all. He claimed difference among non-black was negligible. This is clearly not the case if you've been around poor whites, Peruvians, Hmong folks, etc. Poor whites are not a negligible amount of whites. The only thing separating these people from blacks is ideology. Disenfranchised whites in America have already turned to drugs, and not just the method dealing degenerates. If the liberal dream slips further out of their grasp, violence is next.

You can be a genius and be an asshole.
You can a total dumbo and be friendly.
Case closed.

Humans are smarter than dogs.
Some humans are assholes
A dog can be friendlier than an asshole human.
What is it so hard to get you fucking retard.
If you can't deal with something simple like that you should off yourself.

>b-but you said "intelligent"
MORE intelligent and LESS intelligent are implied upon the fucking context you fucking mongrel.

all the fuzz is about racism, but Charles Murray's main thesis has always been about the biological superiority of the rich, funny that goes unchallenged. bringing about communism through violence sure beats living the rest of your life as human cattle in concentration camp earth as the ascended high IQ bourgeoisie capitalists ruthlessly exploit you in drug war prison industrial torture dungeons and social media content farms, all in the name of efficiency and rationalized economic 'progress'.

Only that VAST MAJORITY of blacks are genetically similar to the minority whites.
On average blacks are significantly dumber.
That's the whole point.
Even without the intelligence, the poorer whites will be significantly less violent.

Dont' evade this question: What is your political and philosophical stance?

>social media content farms
>pretending this isn't the biggest content farm on the internet

to paraphrase emma goldman "if i can't shitpost dank memes after your revolution i don't want it"

revolutionary communism, what about yours?

mine is killyourselfyoufuckingcommisnasshatism

so you agree with me. to stop believing a lie you should look into where you place the value and why you have those values in the first place. you can be a genius but bad a math as well. you're just making a value judgement. more or less isn't a quantitive term, it's a qualitative one. if you can't deal with something simple like that then you shouldn't talk about society because you don't understand how it works vis-a-vis intelligence.

Sounds good to me, desu
I did say that my state would be majority white. People just earn their place by merit. It'll still be egalitarian since we'll acknowledge that niggers come in all colors :)
Nice job moving those goalposts btw.

so you are cool with killing yourself together with the rest of the human race out of pure resentment?

Their immediate political goals are similar enough that it's fair for their opposition to group then together. They have no reason to care about your petty ideological differences.

>so you agree with me
No, YOU agree with me.
It was YOU that implied that being friendly is the same as being intelligent.

I said blacks are less intelligent but more friendly.
You said that was a contradiction because you thought intelligence and friendliness is the same thing.

I convinced you to change your mind, and you didn't even realize it, silly person you are.

>I will pick up my gun and fight for the preservation of the white race if that's what today's barbarism comes to
>dying for spooks

>goalpost
made me think
Unless you thought I meant ALL black people are dumber than ALL white people, I've changed nothing.
It's your inability to understand other people.
>niggers come in all colors
>doesn't understand genetics
>doesn't know what regression to the mean is
Yeah I used to be "well all races have dumb people, I'll just keep the smartest of all races, and whites are bit smarter so that's that"
I literally was on that level down, you'll reach up at some point, keep climbing.

lol. friendliness is apart of intelligence is not the same as friendliness is the same as intelligence. you're so stupid you think I changed my mind. so embarrassed for you desu.

Communists are the worst.

Dude why are you doing this?
Ok I'll be nice so you'll understand.

Yes friendliness, hatred, jealously, memories, laughter, etc all require a brain, intelligence, that's a given.

You said being friendly is part of intelligence, I'd say it's part of HAVING an intelligence, a brain, but having MORE or LESS doesn't impact if you're going to be MORE or LESS friendly.

Remember what I wrote in the original post?
I said that black people are less intelligent but more friendly.
They HAVE intelligence, but they have LESS than whites.
Which means intelligence (being smart in comparison) isn't related to friendliness.
Where the fuck do you disagree?
You do realize you can use the word intelligence to refer to HAVING INTELLIGENCE and being MORE intelligent.

Just like the word "difficulty" can mean something hard and also it can mean varying degrees of difficulty.
I'd urge you to learn english.

Well, keep doing what I always do:
- Associate with people who share my interests
- Hold and espouse liberal enlightenment values
- Oppose policies and policy frameworks that amount to special consideration for the unqualified or collective punishment based on race

Mostly I just avoid pedantic, repetitive conversations on race online, since 90% of them are based on information riddled with errors, cherrypicked data, and stats removed from their context to make exaggerated claims in service of a totalitarian (left-/right-)wing ideology that leads to servitude, censorship and surveillance in the name of ("equality"/"tradition"). People tend to listen to me more when I discuss current events that are fucking over their health insurance or bank accounts :->

create a fashy white ethnostate, what else?

This is a good thing, comrade - the only task we have now is to bake anticapitalist themes (hatred of the undeserving rich, soullessness of neoliberalism, class solidarity) into our content so that they may spread and radicalize the normies

talk like that leads to a one-way trip to siberia, citizen

fascism has been crushed wherever it has surfaced

Mmmm.
I think you're letting your subjectivity get in the way. But since it's 6 in the morning here and i'm too tired to have an actual discussion I'll leave you with my dumb thoughts. The thing is, even if the average black is really more stupid than the average white, how do you think that should affect the way blacks are treated in the society? Do you think that they should be discriminated against? I don't think that would make much sense. Also i think that your idea of blacks being more stupid on average may have something to do with the fact that the average African IQ is kinda low, which is true, but i think that's more related to the fact that they don't have any education. It is still not certain on a scientific level, but i think that there is strong evidence that intelligence has a lot more to do with upbringing than it has to do with genes. For example, think about that guy (can't remember his name, sorry) that said he was gonna educate his daughters to be top-tier chess players, and all of them except one did became top tier chess players. I know, it's just an anecdote, but it offers some insight into the topic. Of course genes do their part: you can't train a dog to become an engineer, but i think the differences between humans are negligible. Tell me what you think, so i have something to do when i wake up.

t. Italian italian user who has a week off uni and has nothing to do.

read a fucking book

>This is a good thing, comrade - the only task we have now is to bake anticapitalist themes (hatred of the undeserving rich, soullessness of neoliberalism, class solidarity) into our content so that they may spread and radicalize the normies

sorry bro but the right is totally outworking you on this front, although i do believe people are being paid to create this content both by rightwing outlets like breibart and by foreign entities like russia, but whereever the rightwing meme power is coming from, the left isn't even close to matching it, more over who are these underserving rich, if some hedge fund faggot can trick dumb trustfund degenerates into paying a 2% fee for his shitty management that doesnt even outperform the s&p, why do i care? just tax his fucking ass, no need to fuck up western civilization bro

Why should they be treated differently under the law? If we decide that people ought to be treated differently under the law based on intelligence, you open the door to rather brutal treatment of the dumb whites you're trying to protect with this policy.

I used "i think" way too much, my English has been very shitty lately

That's exactly what i think, actually. That is the reason why i asked the other user that question.

>but whereever the rightwing meme power is coming from, the left isn't even close to matching it
[citation needed]
>if some hedge fund faggot can trick dumb trustfund degenerates into paying a 2% fee for his shitty management that doesnt even outperform the s&p, why do i care?
I find it interesting that you're comfortable with letting criminals defraud people out of their savings because they aren't intelligent. Isn't protecting working class whites from parasitic bankers what white nationalists usually say they want to do?
>no need to fuck up western civilization bro
What are you even referring to at this point? Are you just stringing talking points together?