Worker's movement

Manifesto for the Abolition of Interest Slavery

>the (((left))) has been hijacked
good joke
it was always shit right from the start
the sooner you realise Marx was utterly wrong the better
better to ignore him altogether and just start with Kant and Hegel then onto Kierkegaard and Nietzsche instead.

I think it is, but it's not as central as most people imagine. I think a good short intro to Marx would be 1. Engels - Socialism: Utopian and Scientific, 2. Marx - Wage Labor and Capital, 3. The Manifesto

after that you'll know if you want to dig deeper or change course

>Nietzsche

lol, fuck off.

anyone else /phalanastere/ here?

>Marx
you first

The what now?

>this
Honestly the only palpable alternative to modern state capitalism
Read Rocker's anarcho syndicalism theory and practice, conquest of bread by kropotkin, council communism by pannkoek, and reform or revolution by luxumbourg.

>the only palpable alternative to modern state capitalism
fuck off
hate this commie dualism rhetoric

Also, Intellectualism isn't much when it comes to creating the germs for a new society In the shell of the old. Join some decent organization, learn to organize, and devote your short life to the cause.

Charles Fourier was an early 19th century utopian socialist, predecessor of the french ultraleft tradition. Marx thought he was almost as important as Hegel, also influenced Deleuze and some of the situationists. Fourier was fond of satire and hyperbole, but also a serious utopian thinker, He even wrote a book on the hierarchy of cuckolds, classifying the different varieties of cucks. Fourier's also a recurrring character on Walter Benjamin's Arcades Project.

>He even wrote a book on the hierarchy of cuckolds, classifying the different varieties of cucks.

>l'avenir
ah, I seem to have encountered a fellow patrician!

"The New Way of the World: On Neoliberal Society" is the best overview of neoliberalism you're probably going to find.

If you're interested in historic social movements try reading Kenneth Rexroth's Communalism: From Its Origins to the Twentieth Century
bopsecrets.org/rexroth/communalism.htm
If you're a pedant, G.D.H. Cole wrote five volumes on the history of socialism (from 1789-1939):
libcom.org/history/history-socialist-thought-gdh-cole

What do you mean by communist dualist rhetoric? Specially the dualistic part.
There's obviously a really existing duality between actual world opinion and capitalist interest.

Please respond so we can have a legit argument. Don't ad hom pls

>thread about factual race science: gets deleted
>thread about Marxism: nothing happens
>thread about muh homosex in literature: gets to 300 posts

never change, Veeky Forums stay zogged

Well, I got a couple of decent recommendations.

>factual race science

>thread about factual race science: gets deleted

You got stormfront. Go over there.

There is a third position beyond the crude materialism of capitalism and the pie in the sky slave morality of the left. We reclaim spiritual tradition, all that is pure and lofty, yet we do not ignore the undeniable scientific reality of Race.

>Falling for the slave morality meme
Just a reminder: Nietzsche was not a philosopher. The concept of slave morality is an enforcement of selfishness.

his facial expression does not match the words

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nice bait, 8/10 almost got me

Brecht's Threepenny Novel

third position refers to the position one takes when so drunk you shit, piss and vomit all at once while clutching a lamppost

Lasch's The Agony of the American Left is a great history of socialism in the US, it also includes ideas towards a viable system. It does really help to have some familiarity with Marx before reading Lasch, but it's not essential.

Does the left even exist in America?

Are you kidding me? marxist elites have been ruling America with an iron fist since the late 1960s at least.

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Barely, but it's starting to come back. The book explains why. There were a fair number of socialists, including parties and politicians, up until the 1930s. The liberal capitalists masterfully co-opted the language of socialism while stripping the ideas of any semblance of economic justice/class consciousness.

THE GLOBALISTS

Your first step is to make the distinction between true Socialism and Marxism, which is capitalistic at it's core.

...and the distinction is...?

>The liberal capitalists masterfully co-opted the language of socialism while stripping the ideas of any semblance of economic justice/class consciousness.

that's why they're the ruling class and the proletariat isn't

that was marx's dumbest idea, that the workers are going to become the ruling class, lollll

Weeeew, lad

>The liberal capitalists masterfully co-opted the language of socialism

Of course they did. Socialism/Marxism is perfectly co-optable by the middle-class trash who are resentful that they aren't the ruling class.

True Socialism seeks to unite the whole of the nation whereas Marxism seeks only to divide the people of a nation into groups (proletariat and bourgeoisie obviously).

This is the capitalistic nature of Marxism which usually flies over the heads of all Marx advocates. Capitalism divides individuals, declares winners and losers, and the division continues exponentially. It is a constant battle between people,it is a system that thrives on conflict. The only difference with Marxism is that it is slightly more collectivist and simply flips the roles of winners and losers (this is why it is always doomed to fail, as the proletariat will NEVER be fit to run themselves) but the same us vs them mentality is there.

In true Socialism, the proletariat and bourgeoisie work together to further both their interests which are actually the same.

>Of course they did. Socialism/Marxism is perfectly co-optable by the middle-class trash who are resentful that they aren't the ruling class.

try reading marx some time faggot, the middle class refers to the people in the middle before the french revolution, who are now the ruling class...god you're a fucking marxist and you don't even have your own fucking schtick down...baka

>the middle class refers to the people in the middle before the french revolution

Not today it doesn't. We don't live before the French Revolution anymore faggot.

the bourgeoisie is the ruling class in marxism you god damn imbecile, no wonder people still believe in marxism, they actually haven't read it!

Middle-class people aren't the ruling class sperglord. The ruling class are people who own the means of production.

Is there a different set of books for true socialism?

I should still read Karl Marx though, right?

stop pretending to have read marx

Don't tank the thread you fucktards.

Stop having zero arguments.

Noam Chomsky. Make sure you watch some Michael Moore films while you're at it.

Try Mein Kampf, not even meming.

oh look, a le redpill stephan (((the jew))) molynuax faggot, no wonder you're so dumb

Cute

>Mein Kampf

And the thread was going so well...

there are some good leftwingers who criticise certain aspects of marxism, either way, you have to grapple with his influence, even if you are a right winger.

>It is well-known that an automaton once existed, which was so constructed that it could counter any move of a chess-player with a counter-move, and thereby assure itself of victory in the match. A puppet in Turkish attire, water-pipe in mouth, sat before the chessboard, which rested on a broad table. Through a system of mirrors, the illusion was created that this table was transparent from all sides. In truth, a hunchbacked dwarf who was a master chess-player sat inside, controlling the hands of the puppet with strings. One can envision a corresponding object to this apparatus in philosophy. The puppet called “historical materialism” is always supposed to win. It can do this with no further ado against any opponent, so long as it employs the services of theology, which as everyone knows is small and ugly and must be kept out of sight.

marxists.org/reference/archive/benjamin/1940/history.htm

no it wasn't

>Michael Moore

I don't know man, dude supported the whore of wall street unironically.

Socialism works just fine, that is, until you run out of other people's money
t. economics 101

nice meme you have there

Well, I got some good reading material.

I hope all the money you horded serves you well in the afterlife.

actually it will probably serve you when he donates it to some museum, opera house, or other cultural institution that supports shit that poor people hate

All the workers should stop reproducing and kill themselves. This shitheap of a world is stacked against us. Let the rich eat each other.

> tfw capitalism is shit
> tfw communism is even more shit
> tfw you'll never live in a hereditary monarchy with national socialist economic ideals

>workers
>ever working in unison

Please. Workers fall into multiple broad categories:

Sycophants, workhorses, ladderclimbers, innovators, unionists, cronyists, and most of all, apathetic paycheckers.

To expect those disparate groups to come together for some imagined common interest is naive.

ideology of any sort requires force and power mongering to implement. And the ideology is always flawed, and the success is always dependent upon silencing and fucking over nonconsenting groups.

This is ideology.

Saudi Arabia called. They say they have what you want, but sadly it's Muslim instead of Christian. Still, you're invited.

This except ignore the post modern sophistry, especially zizek and his crowd. Also, imo guy debord is pretty useless """"theory"""" as well. Look into more Friere, and Dewey as far as education goes, look into herman and chomsky's media analysis like the political economy of the mass media, and manufacturing consent. Also, learn to understand that state socialism is the opposite of socialism. Socialism means workers control their work, and thus the economy, period. If that isn't present than it's state or corporate tyranny.
Read Chomskys critique on Leninism

Wat?

>8ch
>home of alt-right literal faggots

saved it from here, didn't know about it until you pointed it out

they are both good

lol
funny meme may i save it

>nihilism
>primitivism
>post-left
>"ignore the post modern sophistry"
>" guy debord is pretty useless """"theory"""" as well."

It's like art.

Have a blast: edensauvage.wordpress.com/2016/07/25/reading-list-for-aspiring-ultra-lefts/

However, this being Veeky Forums and all, I think there's value in looking beyond Marxism as a self-contained tradition. Once you got the basics down, you should take a look at neo-Marxist and post-Marxists like the structuralists, Deleuzians, or the Slovenian School.

A great intro is the first Idea of Communism (Zizek, Badiou, etc), if you want to get a grasp of communism from a more contemporary philosophical position.

the reason Veeky Forums and many other websites have taken a swing to the right over the past ~5 years is precisely because they've been exposed to left wing thought

the best thing most leftists could do for leftism would be to shut up forever, but this will never happen since the movement's political elements are secondary to its existence as a source of social capital, and as long as it continues to be something people use to identify themselves as morally superior, it will continue to attract the sort of person who wants to be seen as morally superior, who in turn will alienate everyone else, sort of like vegetarianism-lite

when you bring this up to individual leftists and point out how none of their contributions help and may even do more harm than good you always get them to a point where they will say some variation of:

>but if i'm silent in the face of oppression, i'm complicit in that oppression

which is entirely true, but betrays a great deal of narcissism in the speaker. specifically, why do they think *their* contributions will help? most leftists alienate people, the past 5 years of political discourse and maneuvering are absolutely evidence of this. in most cases "speaking up" does more harm than remaining silent, but since the individual leftists can't handle their own guilt, they make society deal with it instead, and after ~5 years of this you get told to fuck off in the form of trump

it's not that they want to alienate people, they don't, it's that they want to the social capital and therapeutic elements more

>it's that they want to the social capital and therapeutic elements more

I'm somewhat sure that comes from mostly the rich kids (and all the smug media personalities who want to remind you how progressive they are while looking down at you) They for some reason are the loudest.

Kind of why I'm also interested in what neoliberalism is since it seems to have all the trappings of progressivism while being pro-corporate.

Thanks I'll have a look at this.

the slovenian school? I'm Slovenian and I haven't heard of it

It's not any widely accepted name, but besides that or "Ljubljana School" I really haven't seen anything better.

It'd describe it as the collective name for the Lacan + German Idealism sphere of Žižek, Mladen Dolar, Samo Tomšič, Alenka Zupančič etc, as well as a few non-Slovenians like Adrian Johnston or Geoff Pfeifer.

Some would describe it as "Zizekianism", but I really don't want to paint Slavoj as the alpha and omega of this group.

>tv empiricism

Movements require identities.

And the most important identity - the people that work capital (rather than the people that own capital) is suppressed.

People's are forced to identity with sport teams, corporate brands, flags, etc. All that are unimportant and are used to make money off of you.

Socialism is dead.

this an excerpt from The Last Psychiatrist?

doep post btw and if u are TLP get tf baq awn da stiq u Verlan Babushka

>Socialism is dead.
What do we do now?