Does this curve apply to math? Can anyone be an "expert"? I remember feeling like Albert fucking Einstein when I finished Calculus II and then once I saw how little I actually knew my confidence shot way down. After years of math courses after calc I still haven't regained any of the confidence. When would one start gaining it back?
Does this curve apply to math? Can anyone be an "expert"...
William Edwards
Nathaniel Morris
I have never gotten confidence back either. Nobody is am expert because nobody knows everything there is to know. We're still finding new shit every day.
Joshua Sanders
what's "years of math courses"? if you have done good serious math you should have some confidence and knowledge of what's required to be an expert in some fields.
Carter Peterson
That's odd... Most people I know who know anything about math feel like fucking Jesus reguardless of their level due to the constant praise by people who don't understand math
Luke Collins
currently taking Algebra II and took complex analysis last year. Maybe it's because I don't specialize in anything and try to do a bit of everything
John Baker
>doesn't know everything about math
t. Brainlet
Carson Sanders
One of my lecturers would refer to this concept as one of the big lies of mathematics. That a tenured professor can be standing in front of a class and falter mid-proof and forget a piece of the puzzle because frankly math is hard.
This being said I think the answer to question is as you achieve mathematical maturity you gain some confidence because you can start doing math without having your hand held.
Jeremiah Peterson
t. second year undergrad
Please sit down the adults are trying to speak.
Gabriel Collins
Shouldn't caption on the left read "Know nothing"?
Anyway, the feeling is normal. See en.wikipedia.org
It's the people who DON'T (consciously) suffer from this who are abnormal and dangerous.
They refuse to believe they aren't super-competent in any field they choose -- even (or especially) when they're actually pathetic.
The less-successful ones can oft be found spouting drivel on boards like Veeky Forums.
Occasionally, one can even fool enough suckers long enough to become POTUS.
Grayson Phillips
no, it's because you have barely started taking the basic courses. you have a long way to go.
>second year undergrad
>adult
jesus christ
Easton Cook
>complex analysis
>THEN algebra 2
What the fuck?
Mason Ramirez
not a mathfag but I'd imagine you don't deserve to feel any confidence until you publish something. Doesn't have to be paradigm shifting shit, just anything that advances collective knowledge.
Justin Clark
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Xavier Garcia
>Be 10
>Know basic geometry and a tiny bit of algebra
>BOW BEFORE ME MORTALS, I AM user, GOD OF MATHEMATICS
>23 now
>Bachelor's in theoretical physics
>Absolutely certain I'm faking it
Adrian Carter
>No nothing
Brody Morales
>He thinks the feeling stops when you publish
You'll just think you made some "legwork" in your paper.
Christian Diaz
>Shouldn't caption on the left read
you must be fun at parties
Adrian Smith
Might just be what their school calls Algebra 2 is really abstract algebra or something.
Brody Miller
It's always supposed to mean abstract algebra, amerimutt. Includes Galois theory and related stuff most of the time. Teaching middle school material in college under the name algebra is not the norm by any means, only a consequence of your own shitty education system built around the lowest common denominator.
Gavin Davis
I HATE when people cite dunning-Kruger. The original study they did,
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Has nothing to do with skills in any actual subject matter, it was all cognitive tests. Some of which was basic logic, basic grammar, and even 'do you get this joke' humour category stuff.
It was never intended to be used in the way people now use it, to refer to things like skill in algebra. The effect isn't really present.
Parker Rodriguez
do you get this joke?
Robert Williams
Define "expert"
If by expert you mean master, no. We simply haven't come anywhere near close to understanding STEM fully for that.
If by expert you mean to know and understand all the material we have in a given STEM field during the present, also unfortunately no. That's why PhDs are area specific.
If you mean expert as in being a leader of your field, possibly, but even then it seems as if that breaks a man. See Perelman, since you mentioned mathematics.
Sebastian White
just pretend to be lacking in confidence and bring up imposter syndrome
third pounder vs quarter pounder
clearly the latter sounds better
Wyatt Johnson
>clearly the latter sounds better
because you've been exposed to it all your life
Easton Sanders
>quarter
>pounder
>latter
>better
that's why
Zachary Jones
>Define "expert"
Define "define"
...or maybe use the definition that a billion other speakers of English use:
>a person who has special skill or knowledge in some particular field
Is that so fckn hard?
Michael Morgan
"No nothing"
what
Leo Wilson
Hudson Roberts
me, except just in highschool where i barely began to touch on abstract math in my ~super extra hard math~ course. thought i was literal 4d tesseract einstein brain because i thought it would be interesting to see how the substituted function looks in parallel to the original function when integrating via substitution.
Juan Rodriguez
That graph is a lie. Dunning-Kruger is about self perceived ability vs actual ability and the correlation between them is either positive or 0.