Is there a scientific reason why Idiocracy scenario couldn't happen IRL?

Is there a scientific reason why Idiocracy scenario couldn't happen IRL?

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en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19695787
journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.0050254
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180234/
nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1435.html
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982205002095
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1369848613000460
science.sciencemag.org/content/298/5602/2381.full
nature.com/index.html?file=/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1455.html
pnas.org/content/94/9/4516.full
genome.cshlp.org/content/14/9/1679.full
nature.com/nature/journal/v526/n7571/full/nature15393.html
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/tan.12165/abstract
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2271140/
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707610015
youtube.com/watch?v=VfyFnHxkDlY
vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/6/15/15797120/race-black-white-iq-response-critics
nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171
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You're living it right now.

You're living it right now.

You're living it right now.

Nope!

It's unlikely that a sub 70 IQ population could maintain industrial infrastructures.

Wrong, there are countries in Africa with average IQ about 70

Because that isn't how genetics work. The very fact that working class families can produce geniuses and that upper class families can produce retards is evidence of this. Genius is an abnormality, although a (mostly) helpful one, all it would take is one certain mutation, even if there were no 'high IQ' genes left (impossible) and could end up with a genius.

Do they maintain industrial infrastructures?

>The very fact that working class families can produce geniuses and that upper class families can produce retards is evidence of this.

The point is that on average this is not the case. And it is the average that will determine long term population genetics, not statistical outliers.

Pic related, humanity as a whole is already getting dumber.

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>scientific
nope

I absolutely fucking hate Niggers. They're low IQ, aids gushing parasites on the European man's civilization.
They do nothing but take drugs, create broken homes and drive up the crime rate, they all need to be deported back to Africa.

t. racist
God will judge you.

No, race realist. Unlike you, I'm not a moron that refuses to recognize the very real differences between races, like intelligence, behaviour, diet and ethics - and then attempt to explain all of these genetically predetermined things away as being some "socially engineered construct".

People who claim race doesn't exist are low IQ, that's a quote.

>t. racist

Eventually, mass die offs happen which creates a eugenic environment as only the strongest survive. We haven't reached the 'die-off' part yet.

This graph (and the implications of its assumptions) are an absolute clusterfuck

The only reason black people still exist is because black skin is a domimant gene. Why? Because its beneficial to have darker skin in almost every case. African immigrants to the US are mostly succsessful, and are beginning to be considered white. Isn't that just a little odd? How the "pure" african races are more succsessful than the mixed blacks?

>Because that isn't how genetics work
You don't understand genetics or statistics.

Feel free to provide a rigorous genetic definition of 'race' any time

Veeky Forums intellectuals

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

Yes, Leopold was so generous.

>things that never happened
Civilization continued in a smooth curve after the splitting of the Roman empire and violence continued the same downwards trend it's on today. The 'dark ages' are a myth.

could you survive by yourself, lets say, with a quality of life identic to the peasents in x century and using what you know , making simple inprovements like electricity, bloilers , medicine ?
of course not. thats because we are just mindless drones who are smart enought to so some job we trained .
being smart is the ability do survive

White average IQ would at its lowest would drop to 86 then would require putting whites back in Africa/Indonesia/South India for it to drop any further. Black American IQ can possibly drop all the way back to native african IQ of 67 with enough time.

Gladly, I will make a case for genetic predeterminism being responsible for the various ethnicities of Homo Sapiens. Michael Woodley's 2009 research paper: "Is Homo Sapiens Polytypic" (Link 1) compared the heterozygosity in humans to other species with wide arrays of subspecies. Heterozygosity is the probability that at any given gene location, two organisms of the same species have different gene variants. It was found that most humans have between .698 - .776 variance in alleles, lending credence to their being a genetic basis for wide gene variance that causes phenotypical differences between races, amongst many other things. It is also worth noting that Craig Venter conducted a study in 2007: "The Diploid Genome Sequence of an Individual Human" (Link 2), that found humans of different races only share 99.5% of their genome. For context, the total human genome is 3 billion nucleotide base pairs. 0.5% of 3 billion is 15 million base pairs. For perspective, the disease sickle cell anemia (unique only to Africans) is only caused by a single base pair variance.

Another example is the genetic clusteredness of known genes which causes the stereotypical features of the races like different skin colours, bone density and proportions, organ size, organ structure, metabolism rates of certain compounds and so on. Michael Bamshad conducted a study in 2003: "Human Population Genetic Structure and Inference of Group Membership" (Link 3). What his study found that was when sequencing DNA from different races and marking loci that are unique to certain races and then processing for additional loci that only correspond to the marked one - you are able to determine which genes in particular are only found within certain races. What he found was that when the computer was allowed to sequence for up to 160 loci from the marked one, there was a 100% certainty of clustered genes from geographically isolated humans (i.e. races).

These are three excellent studies which provide the scientific foundation for the genetic basis of race, entirely extrinsic of sociology.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19695787
journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.0050254

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180234/

k I'm not gonna take on everything you said but the sickles cell anemia thing goes like this
SNPs that are deleterious are weeded out by natural selection but sickle cell anemia has a protective effect against malaria in carriers
So SNPs don't just accumulate, that's why evolution is slow af, lots of changes are just undone

Where the fuck did you actually find that graph?

Everything plotted is increasing except China in after 2020, but the world average decreases even before China starts to decline.

It is absolutely not true that having more melanin is an evolutionary advantage outside of geographic locations that they evolved in to cause them to have that compound to begin with, that aren't as sunny as the planes of Africa.

Abundance of melanin decreases Negroes absorbance of UV radiation which creates Vitamin D deficiency of up by 25% in USA and 50% in the UK. A lack of Vitamin D can causes week brittle bones and neurological diseases.

If it wasn't for modern Western medicine that can provide medication to Blacks to remediate their biology which prohibits them from inhabiting European type climates, in a natural sense they would be mentally retarded humans, induced by the climate, because they haven't evolved to survive in that habitat. That's a fact.

>African immigrants to the US are mostly succsessful, and are beginning to be considered white
>and are beginning to be considered white
wat

When's the last time yoy met a first generation african american? These guys are white. The concept of whiteness in America has nothing to do with race or skin color any more. The fascist alt-right just wants to kill the poor and the ultra-rich.

>So SNPs don't just accumulate
Yes they fucking do cluster, you mong, because they cause the phenotypes of the races. If they didn't exist, there would be literally zero difference between races. How retarded are you?

>When's the last time yoy met a first generation african american? These guys are white
Your brain is a bottomless pit.

I don't think so. All it would take was a few people born with average intelligence who would have en easy time accumulating money and fucking a ton of stupid women and men. Which is fairly likely.

True it can be argued that we're still living in the roman empire right now.

I'm waiting for you to make your fucking argument for how genes don't cluster to cause the features unique to Blacks, Asians and Europeans. The sources I provided in PROVED THAT THERE IS A GENETIC BASIS FOR RACE, IT EVEN LISTED IN DETAIL THE GENES UNIQUE TO SPECIFIC RACES, AND YOU DECIDED NOT TO READ THE STUDIES AND JUST CLAIMED THAT THERE WASN'T.

YOU WORTHLESS FUCK

>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19695787
Single author study, makes a lot of claims in his abstract but I'm not paying $35 to see if he substantiates them
>journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.0050254
Wrong link? Their study is on the diploid genome of a single individual, showing that duplicate chromosomes are not exactly identical
>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180234/
Literal first line is that 85-90% of genetic variation occurs within subgroups, but yes, geographic origin can be determined with good accuracy as long as one considers enough loci. However, the populations chosen were from deep within their respective continents, and it shouldn't be assumed that those represent some set of archetypes into which populations between then can be assigned with confidence rather than individual points on a long, branching spectrum of ethnic groups.

Furthermore, let us cut to the chase - to extrapolate from this is to construct the usual motte and bailey argument. Unable to defend the motte argument - "Niggers are inferior" - /pol/ must fall back to its bailey - "There are genetic differences between humans". Yes, there obviously are, and obviously the longer two populations have been separated the greater the difference, but what exactly those differences have in no way been meaningfully qualified and the idea that intelligence, humanity's singular advantage against the natural world, would be decreased or selected against in the particular circumstances that your least favourite ethnic group developed in is the beginning of the special pleading and 'just-so' stories accompanying all such race-IQ debates. It also immediately discounts the nuance that genetic differences in population form a smooth if slightly granular transition across geographic regions, rather than just being individual monoliths.

And lest I forget, here are my papers to consider

nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1435.html

sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982205002095

sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1369848613000460

science.sciencemag.org/content/298/5602/2381.full

nature.com/index.html?file=/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1455.html

pnas.org/content/94/9/4516.full

genome.cshlp.org/content/14/9/1679.full

nature.com/nature/journal/v526/n7571/full/nature15393.html

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/tan.12165/abstract

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2271140/

sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707610015

>However, the populations chosen were from deep within their respective continents, and it shouldn't be assumed that those represent some set of archetypes
What? You are literally admitting that there are subspecies with unique species that evolved that way due to geographic isolation, and we NEED TO REMOVE THESE FROM THE STUDY SO WE ONLY ANALYZE HUMANS BETWEEN THESE REGIONS THAT HAVE A GREATER RATE OF MISCEGENATED GENES? YOU'RE ADMITTING RACES EXIST, AND YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE DATA TO MAKE THEM NOT.

>but what exactly those differences have in no way been meaningfully qualified and the idea that intelligence humanity's singular advantage against the natural world, would be decreased or selected against in the particular circumstances
WHY DIDN'T NIGGERS INVENT THE FUCKING WHEEL THEN? WHY DO NIGGERS HAVE AN AVERAGE IQ OF 85 THEN? WHY DO THEY PERFORM SO POORLY IN SCHOOLS ALL AROUND THE WORLD, FOR THE PAST 100 YEARS THEN?

You just linked a bunch of shit without explaining what any of it is, and why any of it has any relevance to the conversation at hand, and expect me to waste my life wadding through all of it to find data to support your claim that has already been proven wrong. SUCK MY DICK

Simulators. Simulated hard times if realistic enough will create strong men regardless of exterior luxuriousness.

youtube.com/watch?v=VfyFnHxkDlY

>WHY DO THEY PERFORM SO POORLY IN SCHOOLS ALL AROUND THE WORLD, FOR THE PAST 100 YEARS THEN?
Black_testing_scores_will_stop_rising_any_year_now_says_increasingly_worried_poltard_for_fifth_time_this_decade.jpg

In the early 20th century nation states were happily killing foreigners by the droves, so it is strange to see that this would have been a problem in Belgium. Eugenics was acceptable thinking in polite circles back then. His reputation today is shot, no doubt about that, but the quote does not seem plausible.

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In fact they do not survive by theirselves

idiocracy is the result of dysgenic policies. only eugenic policies can prevent it.

idiocracy is happening today, idiocracy is happening every day, idiocracy happens since humans beginnings.

oh, what an intellectual

The Congo was still Belgian territory after Leopold died. It was still Belgian well past World War II, and they only gained independence in the early 1960's. Granted, the Belgians likely didn't build much infrastructure beyond those used for resource extraction, like most colonial overlords.

You literally typed in "Black white IQ difference" in Google, clicked on the FIRST WEBPAGE, WHICH IS VOX, A KNOWN LIBERAL PROPAGANDA MEDIA OUTLET, and posted this shit "meta analysis" graph that means nothing.
Here's the source, that you conveniently left out:
vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/6/15/15797120/race-black-white-iq-response-critics

Where is the data for 50 years that they're showing? What country is this? Where are the standarized tests? What is the source of this data? GOVERNMENT SAT SCORES IN AMERICA LITERALLY SHOW THAT THEIR SCORES HAVE GOTTEN WORSE OVER TIME, NOT BETTER

Since you're a hack, let me show you data for SAT scores, which are standardized tests which can also directly swap out scores for very accurate IQ estimates in the USA, and the data unequivocally shows that despite MASSIVE increases in government spending to attempt to raise the total scores of blacks, they consistently under perform relative to all other races, in all states, for the past 50 YEARS!
Source:
nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171

What does this data mean? It means they're not getting any more intelligent in the same time that all other races HAVE gotten more intelligent.

The population in the film hasnt, everything is collapsing and its clear they are on the brink of a major famine.

Good post, cheers.

Hmm, notice anything funny going on with industry amd infrastructure in the US over the last 50 years?

Whoever made that horrible graph should be shot.