SpaceX is fucked

>the orbits overlap
???

see

Regardless, it wouldn't be Spacex's fault. Northrup Grumman built their own payload adapter, mated, and integrated the satellite themselves in their own facility so keep it classified. The second stage made the correct inclination and de-orbited where it should have, which means everything on Spacex's side did fine. If the satellite were fucked in orbit, it's NG's design failure, and if it failed to separate, it's still NG's design failure.

>your tax money goes into black budget projects
>you don't even know what it's being used for
>ng decides to build their own adapter because muh sicrit club
>ng fuck it up, throwing billions of taxpayers' money down the drain

all baseless speculation

I was thinking about something just the other night. If you wanted to test an anti ICBM system, you sure as fuck wouldn't want to use something conspicuous and you definitely wouldn't want to be launching ICBMs to test it because of how easy that is to detect and it gives away your capability. What you would want is a mobile, clandestine platform that doesn't use missile to missile technology and is preferably invisible to the naked eye at any significant range. Something like a superpowered IR laser mounted on a submarine would be best, and you would want to be testing it on re-entering space junk or secret additions to national security satellites. Even better, if you could launch a secret payload and claim you lost it....

Actually it isn't because I know about plenty of publicly available information, and some not publicly available. Rocket preformed nominally. It's not Spacex's problem what happened after that.

Is this somehow new to you? Defense spending in general is just a blackhole for tax dollars that the public never gets exhaustive information on even for run of the mill shit.

heywe like spacex over here come chat
discord gg/c37NwyB

as opposed to the spending that puts every black single mother in free homes, free schools, free daycare, free internet, free food, etc?

>$3-5 BILLION dollar payload
There is no way the payload cost that much. It's also completely coincidental that an unknown, classified payload would fail once onorbit.

It was cargo from a 3rd party shell company owned by Bezos in order to defame SpaceX.

>There is no way the payload cost that much
billion dollar satellites gotta show up somewhere in the budget and are big

2x for 6 billion
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-224

Memes aside, if there was a failure and SpaceX is responsible for it, it's bad but not terminal. They've successfully launched national security payloads before, and ULA has lost them before.

Those are way, way outside the normal cost ratio for satellite-launcher.

DELET

>"This is a classified mission. We cannot comment on classified missions.”

Ensuring your populace is educated, housed, clothed and enjoy a reasonable quality of life grows your economy and therefore your tax revenue. Contrast this to military spending which is significantly more difficult to reap any gain with. In any case my point was the lack of transparency with the public not your inferred opinion of social programs vs defense spending.

>>ensuring MY populace
Im not black, my wife isnt, my son isnt, and none of us will want for a thing because
I work in STEM
My wife worms in STEM because she Wants to, and my son tinkers because it's fun. No welfare, no government bullshit as a crutch. No, you and your kind are nothing but a hindrance to man and our progression.

Its Rods from God. Ready for the Norks

Spoken like a true autist. We get it, muh science and math. Congrats. You're good at STEM but evidently you lack the capacity to function and think like a normal human being. Anyways, many whites benefit from welfare too.

foreign races are not "my people", they are not my business, and the non-whites are an immense drain on this world.
Defense is the sole legitimate interest of the government.

Calm down and give the amateur satellite hunters a week or two.

Could it be Phoenix, or an offshoot?

youtube.com/watch?v=uvkhWIlmHEg

>I'm STEM
Yeah, but your understanding of social and economic systems clearly displays that you are a shitty engineer at best. Fucking autist. Do you understand why a Dark Age happens? A Dark Age happens when a population decentralizes. When the entities and people that comprise a functioning system disperse themselves. Economic and social programs are part of the glue. Remove it, and we reduce in centralization and lose thriving technological development. For someone who claims to work to 'STEM' you clearly don't support it staying around. Without big gobment you'd work in a fucking village and subsistence farm. Fuck off. You're ruining this planet with your inability to see the big picture.

As for your obvious racial bias, you do understand that if their weren't blacks, there would be poor whites right? You understand that there will always be a group at the bottom? Draining a pond doesn't make the surface any higher.

>Difference is bad, everyone think this way. Muh dark age will happen!

You're overreacting on an anime/hentai image board, and you're doing it poorly

Musk honestly deserves to be executed.
Insider traders get decades in jail for hundreds of millions of dollars. He has swindled billions from the the tax payer, he deserves to be executed.

>When u nut so hard that you blow a $5 billion payload

>white people can't be poor because niggers making 60k a year on welfare exist

really makes you think
A dark age happens when you marxist animals, who actively deny reality, attempt to smash civilization. One day we will be killing you "people"
You don't have the slightest clue about anything, but think you can micromanage & socially engineer some sort of utopia.

Meanwhile IQ's are declining at several points a decade but hey we're just racists for pointing that unavoidable fact out

Some one at Northrop Grumman is getting fired...

>One day we will be killing you "people"

you won't be doing shit because you're a fat loser who only buys into all of this fringe, white-supremacy kind of bullshit because it's the only way you can keep up the illusion that you're better than anyone

you're browsing a board about science, but the odds of you having ever published a single article worth the paper it's printed on are near zero. I know a dozen black post-docs and professors who exceed you in nearly every measurable quantification of intelligence by an order of magnitude, but they aren't calling for your extermination. they're completely comfortable with living on the same rock as a retard like you who thinks that you're hotter shit than they are because of your race.

I bet you do work in STEM, and I bet you're a lab technician. or an engineer working a pencil-pushing position at a middling firm. someone who teachers labeled as a 'gifted kid' back in elementary school. someone who took an IQ test as an adolescent and rode the ego-boost well into their undergrad studies. someone who will never make any intellectual contribution to the world because you're so obsessed with your idea of an intellectual social order that you cling to white supremacy as an excuse to validate your own self-worth

I don't need a response back from you. read all of this and then quietly reflect on your own bullshit.

You're a brainlet. Stop posting your bullshit pet-theories about how the world works.

The sheer size of the irony in this post.
Kill yourself.

>>>/leftypol/

Northrop Grumman, who built the satellite for the unnamed classified client, and booked the SpaceX launch as a commercial flight on its client’s behalf, said it does not comment on classified missions.

Launch provider SpaceX has also said it does not comment on classified missions, but that all their data indicates that the Falcon 9 rocket performed “nominally”.

And that’s ALL we know at the moment.

Even the supposed ‘fact’ of the satellite’s failure is entirely rumor.

Rumor about a classified mission so secret we don’t even know which agency commissioned it (though the NRO has officially disavowed it).

So, it’s not really a ‘failed SpaceX rocket launch’ or a ‘failed SpaceX mission’ but, apparently, a successful SpaceX rocket launch of a classified mission that RUMOR HAS IT has failed — either failing to separate, or failing shortly after separation.

But none of those failure modes would be a SpaceX failure, as the payload adapter, separation systems and payload are all provided by the customer (Northrop Grumman).

And they’re not talking.

Everything else is rumor, speculation and/or smokescreen.

I guarantee you this is just dirty play by SpaceX's desperate rivals, who have been putting out lots of hit pieces to try and make SpaceX out to be unreliable and untrustworthy. A classified payload is a great opportunity, because their accusations can't be decisively publicly debunked. The most SpaceX can do is say, "According to what data we have, our rocket performed nominally." They can't back it up with anything, and the payload people can't back them up. The critics can say SpaceX is just taking advantage of the fact that the payload people can't dispute their account.

They can't prove that SpaceX failed, but they can spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt about SpaceX's reliability and suitability to launch important national security payloads. Having suggested that it failed, in the lack of evidence, many people will be inclined to split the difference and consider it equally plausible that SpaceX did and didn't fail, and therefore count this important launch as half a failure.

While Falcon Heavy warming up for its maiden flight, and with Block 5, Dragon 2, and Raptor likely to be completed later this year, SpaceX is on the brink of demonstrating the ability to fully replace all other launch providers, at much lower prices. There are billions of dollars per year of taxpayer money at stake for ULA, its parent companies Lockheed Martin and Boeing, its major contractors Aerojet Rocketdyne, Orbital ATK, and Blue Origin, Orbital ATK's buyer Northrop Grumman, NASA's in-house launch vehicle division Marshall Space Flight Center, many minor contractors, the local communities and states where they work, their elected representatives, etc. This is a large group of very powerful people, with a lot at stake, who want to win and have played dirty before.

nbcnews.com/id/3077830/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/spy-satellites-rise-faked-fall

Yes goyim...our satellite failed to launch...we've never spread misinformation about this kind of thing before...heheheheheh

>he cant think in abstract terms
>No welfare, no government bullshit as a crutch
lmao you are delusional in addition to being a bigot. Do you have electricity in your home or paved roads in your city?
This is just bait, youre going to have to do better.

Its painfully clear youve never read marx. IQs are declining because Americas public education system is dogshit because dipshits like you dont want to pay the tax to fund it.

>arse technica
>arse
haHAA
ARSE

1/10 bait, stop sounding like a stereotype commie and you would make me pissed

you don't have to invent a conspiracy to explain clickbait titles

If it were clickbait, they wouldn't have gone with "SpaceX mission fails!" and you do need a conspiracy to explain "sources in the US government and military tell us...".

>not post the whole photo
it's okay his guns intimidate me as well

no you don't. that phrase could encompass literally anyone who happens to work in the government or military.

...

Lockheed Martin employs thousands of engineers, programmers, and scientists.

Are you not also aware of the enormous amount technology that has been spawned from military spending?

I'm not retarded though so i'll concede that like half of military spending is wasted.

>because dipshits like you dont want to pay the tax to fund it.
holy shit my sides

But 0.99etc gets arbitrarily close to 1, so it's basically a 1.

infinity of nine????????

Jeff bezos prime

1) 0.999...9 ≠ 1
2) Infinity is in principle unattainable. Otherwise it is not infinity.

>1) 0.999...9 ≠ 1
That's just a statement, not an argument.
2) Infinity is in principle unattainable. Otherwise it is not infinity.
I won't debate your definition for infinity, because it's not really relevant here. If we can make the distance of the point made by 0.999.. and the point of 1 arbitrarily close to one another, then they're for all intents and purposes at the same spot. It's just a simple limit..

how to derail a Veeky Forums thread in one image

Why shouldnt general education be a thing?

Things are looking bad.

Word on the street is the satellite failed to deploy from the second stage. SpaceX was unable to stop S2's auto deorbit procedures and the satellite burned up upon reentry along with the stage

Apparently it was an experimental satellite capture and recovery system, same as what STS was supposed to be able to do originally.

Congress has been briefed and the cost of the loss is expected to be in excess of $5 billion.

Cool rumors

I do not see the arguments in your statements.
They are not equal. These are incompatible models.

education has nothing to do with iq

wikipedia says spacex is worth $12 billion
how the hell do they send a $3-5 billion payload?
they basically sent half of their company's worth into space

>Word on the street

hol up, u get dat on da wire, nigga?

it was the government's payload

except it does you nigger
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3258640/

It isn't theirs. It is someone else's payload.

It has everything to do with education. How you are educated is how you learn to think. However, to invalidate your statement is as easy as telling you that you need to learn a language before you can take today's IQ tests. That alone is merely 1 example for education.

oh shit, then they're even more fucked
thunderf00t was right about spaceX since the beginning

It is more likely that super top secret mystery payload worked 110% and this bullshit is all a misdirection.

>oh shit, then they're even more fucked
why, the gov't self insures

northrup grumman probably has enough spare parts to build another from the first one and get paid to build another

This narrative is so absurd: for one of its first classified, national security launches on a SpaceX rocket, the government puts a really important secret $5 billion satellte. To all publicly observable appearances (including a trackable upper stage and visible de-orbit maneuver), the launch goes off without a hitch. On top of that, the payload deployment mechanism was not provided by SpaceX, but by the satellite builder, Northrop Grumman, so a failure to deploy wouldn't be SpaceX's fault. SpaceX is able to publicly state that, according to all available data, its rocket performed nominally. Beyond that, nobody can say anything, because it's a classified payload. By crazy coincidence, they've had this failure the one time when it's impossible for the launch customer to confirm or deny for the public.

Regardless, we get multiple news articles with anonymous sources claiming that this SpaceX launch failed, with heavy implications that SpaceX is the untrustworthy bargain basement option, and important payloads should fly ULA.

See: It's a bunch of lies. There are billions of dollars per year to be had by discrediting SpaceX. Even Northrop Grumman, the satellite provider, has such a motive because it's in the middle of buying one of SpaceX's competitors, Orbital ATK.

Probably this.

Defense industry is dirty to its core. Many of the execs are spooks, ex-military, ex-CIA. Playing dirty is the name of the game. Corporate espionage is a real and common thing in the defense industry.

retards get out. its cool with being racist, but brainlets need not apply to Veeky Forums

>Corporate espionage is a real and common thing in the defense industry.

hey it's how ULA was born

reeks of defamation just as someone said. spacex isnt liable, doesn't matter. it was convenient to try and have musk take a fall. pretty sure the satellite is in orbit as planned and this is just a cover story

>implying it's not a kinetic bombardment sat and the crash has been faked.

Kinetic bombardment isn't even a useful weapon nowadays. It takes much more energy to lift a payload than you get back dropping it. Conventional bunker busters are good enough.

A space nuke, however. Sneaky breeki

You do understand there is a difference between a communist and welfare state in the context of modern western democracys right?

because it costs money and burgers dont give a fuck about anyone but themselves generally speaking

reminder that the military is more than happy to fling a 20k missile at a 300 dollar building, and do it frequently

The costs of the bombardment sat doesn't matter if the bombarding evaporates what they want it to

But kinetic bombardment doesn't even evaporate things well:

>In the case of the system mentioned in the 2003 Air Force report above, a 6.1 m × 0.3 m tungsten cylinder impacting at Mach 10 has a kinetic energy equivalent to approximately 11.5 tons of TNT (or 7.2 tons of dynamite). The mass of such a cylinder is itself greater than 9 tons

And that's the best case scenario.

With Falcon 9 (FT) LEO max payload of 10,000Kg (generously assumed to be 100% projectile) all you can deliver is ~12,700Kg TNT equivalent (using ton to ton ratio from the ideal tungsten rod example). That's 14 tons of TNT equivalent. That's about the energy released by the smallest nuclear device tested, the Mk-54 (Davy Crocket).

>Early known versions could destroy a two-block area, with an estimated yield comparable to approximately 10 tons TNT equivalent.

It is not a kinetic projectile. No matter how entertaining it would be to see the gov't spend 5 billion dollars to destroy 2 square blocks, it can't be.

>Falcon 9 (FT) LEO max payload of 10,000Kg
It's more than that, though maybe this is accurate for flyback recovery, rather than downrange.

>all you can deliver is ~12,700Kg TNT equivalent
>That's about the energy released by the smallest nuclear device tested, the Mk-54 (Davy Crocket).
Oh, it's only as much as a small tactical nuke. Anywhere on the globe, regardless of air defenses, and a fairly effective ground penetrator. How useless.

>5 billion dollars
It might cost 5 billion to develop, but not to use. Per shot, the main cost would be the launch, which is currently about $60 million and will be falling rapidly as reusable boosters mature.

I agree it's unlikely that they secretly launched a weapon. That would be a treaty violation.

The payload is about 10,000kg to LEO. I looked up that bit. Estimated the rest.

It's a cool idea, I agree. Having a 5 minute space strike capability equivalent to a davy crocket is nothing to laugh at.

Seeing that NK uses dozens of ground launchers, there's not much use in a single kinetic strike anyways. Submarine cruise missiles and the navy rail gun would be more efficient and can act en masse.

As for the US not secretly breaking a treaty, that's wishful thinking. I think the satellite could be an offshoot of Brilliant Pebbles.

>a boost stage ICMB interceptor meant to provide cover for the coming invasion

>NK uses dozens of ground launchers
They don't have dozens of launchers for missiles that can reach out to the USA. They launch that shit the same way they'd launch a satellite. It's still a big deal for them. It's likely that their intercontinental nuclear capability can still be taken out with one such strike, after which they have no direct nuclear deterrent against a USA attack, either conventional or nuclear.

Different poster here, but I've got some input regarding the so-called "rods from god..."
>Oh, it's only as much as a small tactical nuke. Anywhere on the globe, regardless of air defenses, and a fairly effective ground penetrator. How useless.
It may theoretically be able to strike anywhere on the globe, but by stationing it in orbit you SEVERELY restrict your available strike windows. See, an object in low orbit may circle the entire fucking planet every ninety goddamn minutes, but there's one crucial and problematic detail that gets in the way of reaching your target promptly - once you're in orbit, YOU CAN'T TURN. Your orbital plane is, for all intents and purposes, fixed. Propellant reserves MIGHT allow a few degrees adjustment, tops. What does this mean? It means that even though you're flying along at seventeen thousand fucking miles per hour, you still LITERALLY have to wait for the Earth to turn for your target to move into your path. Two windows a day. That's all you get. From the moment you receive that time-critical intel about a target, you can expect to wait an AVERAGE of six hours for your next chance to hit it. Sure, perhaps you can divide this by launching a whole constellation of them, but that's awfully impractical when you could just leave the (single) rocket in the goddamn silo until you know what your target is and zip over there (wherever the fuck "there" is) suborbitally inside of 45 minutes with no (technical) drawbacks whatsoever.

So yeah... given that "rods from god" is often touted as a rapid-response strike weapon, I consider any orbital-based implementation of it to be IMMENSELY impractical.

>That would be a treaty violation.
It actually wouldn't, unless the weapon in question were a WMD. A kinetic projectile is not a WMD.

>Like the Hwasong-12, the Hwasong-14 appears to be transported on an off-road capable Wanshan Special Vehicle WS51200 8 axle transporter erector vehicle.

So they got Seattle, SF, and LA with those ones and for the Hwasong-15:

>The 9 axle Transporter erector launcher (TEL) vehicle is larger compared to the 8 axle TEL vehicle of the Hwasong-14

For the 15, it is hypothetical if the TEL will work but the other TELs are well-tested designs. Even if you ignore TELs, there is more than one missile silo in the whole of North Korea... One orbital strike does not win a war.

>after which they have no direct nuclear deterrent against a USA attack, either conventional or nuclear.

Do they just own a single physics package with a known location? News to me.

>That would be a treaty violation

Oh no, a treaty violation!

Bonus Hwasong-15 TEL schematic. We've seen these in videos and know how NK sources their parts.

>From the moment you receive that time-critical intel about a target, you can expect to wait an AVERAGE of six hours for your next chance to hit it.
It's less that you're supposed to be able to fire it off in seconds, and more that they wouldn't detect any missile launch. The de-orbit correction could be made very subtle, the strike would likely take them by surprise, with only moments of warning. Plus you can conceal the launch as a spy sat or whatever, so your enemy doesn't necessarily even know you have it.

>you can divide this by launching a whole constellation of them, but that's awfully impractical
Depends on the technological context. With today's rockets? Sure, it's still impractical. With BFR? Well now you're talking about 150 tonnes to LEO for ~$10 million, and flights available every day. You can quite affordably have a globe-spanning constellation with multiple simultaneous shots available anywhere pretty much continuously, and the potential of shooting the whole load on an all-day barrage against a single target country.

Zuma is actually Schrodinger's satellite, it is both operational and destroyed at the same time. It is operational until you look for it, then it will be destroyed

Are you sure your kids aren't black. I've heard stories of men like you who's wife cheated on them when they just got married.

The black midget who drove your taxi home from your wedding was the Boston mensa chapter president. He is the father of your children.

Sir, I am so sorry.

What if there was no payload?

>It is operational until you observe it, then it will be destroyed

even if it failed to separate, its not a space x problem. northrop built their own payload adapter and separation system to keep the payload secret. if it did not separate, northrop grumman fucked up