Your philosophical argument in no way takes away the distinction between actual science and paranormal unscientific tricks for goys.
Is magick and the supernatural just science we don't understand yet? Or is it just delusions and superstitions?
Carson Ross
Jaxon Scott
I'm not the same user, but I don't think he was arguing that this argument invalidates distinguishing science form pseudo-science. At least what I took him to say was that our criteria for what counts as scientific can't be reduced to reproducibility.
Jeremiah Brooks
That may be true, but not being able to reproduce a finding should set your alarm bells ringing
Grayson Long
The mindset changed with Newton.
He operated on the notion that the universe is governed by laws and that we were, in principle at least, able to figure them out.
If you don't believe that, you might as well give up now.
I read an article once about classes at a madrassa in Pakistan. 2 moles of hydrogen and a mole of oxygen combine to make water -- but only because of the personal intervention of Allah!
It's not like Christianity where the supposition is that God could flout the rules -- but chooses not to most of the time.
The Islamic belief is that active intervention is required at every instant.
THAT is what I'd call "supernatural" because we'd never be sure of anything, regardless of how many times we've done the experiment previously.
I go with Heinlein's "One man's magic is another man's engineering."
Anthony Cruz
Definitely.
Grayson Carter
>only an almost infinitesimal number of superstitions are actually real
this is probably true, but at the same time only an infinitesimal portion of true things manifest themselves as experimentally reproducible results, so its sort of a double bind.
My suspicion is that magick, parapsychology and all other spooky specimens of deep metaphysics would reveal themselves to be boring, trivial statements about mere existence if a complete picture of consciousness and its relationship to the universe could be attained. To answer the OP though, I think such a picture can't be arrived at scientifically; and therefore can't ever exist, since no explanatory engine with a broader reach than science can ever be verifiable. Science is verifiable precisely because the scope of what it can say about the world is so tightly constrained. It is an interesting question though, and its possible if for instance we're in a simulation and the source code can be mined with a collider at the planck energy level or something. That sounds like sci-fi nonsense to me though.
Angel Foster
>You guys need to look up the Duhem-Quine-Thesis.
too lazy, links?
Brody Hughes
try past life regression out and see for you self
Zachary Wright
nvm, thought it would be harder to find. though it seems to me mostly applicable to modern physics you know not being able to objectively test each part of a theory sometimes and all.
Daniel Smith
Yes. To both, Any and ALL.
How Do I Kill The Immortal Human Race/33/我如何殺死不朽的人類種族?
So, anyway... hello. Why are all the Immortal Time Travellers on Veeky Forums and not anywhere else? Is the only question I want an answer to.
Is Veeky Forums ? /b's/RandomNumberGenerator?