Nootropics thread!

How has memory boost worked? Also, any experience with bulletproof's nootropics?

You likely never hit your head hard enough to cause any real brain damage. Hell, you can get a few concussions with no lasting effects. The most likely explanation for your experience is that you were depressed/malnourished leading to decreased brain activity. Healthy diet and a positive attitude do more for cognition than anything else you can possibly think of.

Except Adderall. That shit is amazing.

I've found that it improved my speech by a margin. I haven't experienced Bullet Proof yet, however, I've ordered Alpha Brain off of Amazon, and am expecting it at around the conclusion of January. Then I might play with Mind Lab Pro a little bit, I hear it's so potent that it can even revive a person who has been deprived of all oxygen and blood flow for over 5 minutes! (It cannot, but the reviews are pretty high)I've hit my head hard enough to lose consciousness and to such a point at times that I felt tingles all over my body. I will agree that a healthy diet and positive attitude will take you far, but with no nutrition for any ability for your brain to generate new brain cells, you'd be going no where.

green tea steeped for 1 min is pretty gud

Sorry to burst your bubble my friend, but I too, was a heavy green tea user until I found out a very serious design flaw.
I would drink 3 to 5 coffee mug sized cups of the stuff everyday, to the point where I felt extremely dizzy after.

What made me stop drinking it was the fact that it contained extremely high amounts of fluoride.

That's right,

Fluoride.

Fish oil contains mercury.

Indeed it does... however, fish oil is not the only nootropic in the world. Nice try!

t. resident of minimata

>Minamata disease was first discovered in Minamata city in Kumamoto prefecture, Japan, in 1956. It was caused by the release of methylmercury in the industrial wastewater from the Chisso Corporation's chemical factory, which continued from 1932 to 1968. This highly toxic chemical bioaccumulated in shellfish and fish in Minamata Bay and the Shiranui Sea, which, when eaten by the local populace, resulted in mercury poisoning.
why not just stop eating fish

I concur, after all, there is almost less than half the amount of mercury in fish oil supplements as there is in actual fish corpses.

You misspelled "snake oil" OP.

Nani, I don't think I even mentioned "snake oil" to begin with... please specify.

they were poor fisherman
the only way fish get mercury in them is by pollution and the ocean is really big so you're like 99% good for mercury in fish
But bioaccumulation is a thing
Either way mercury poisoning is pretty fucked

Hence the new and refined supplements, made for our benefits, AND with technology progressing, people are finding less and less mercury in their supplements almost every 37.72826482373657294 days! Ahh! Praise the power of the human mind! We may be depraved and sadistic beyond the average sane individual's belief, but we are damn smart too!

Interesting, everything I've ever heard about green tea was positive, except in extreme cases:

>academic.oup.com/jcem/article/96/8/2318/2834028
Multiple cases of women who drank 1-2 gallons of green tea per day (20-40 coffee cups) developing skeletal fluorosis.

Still has a lot of antioxidants and shown positive affect on immune system, arteries, and anti cancer benefits. Probably good in small amounts

Has anyone considered the cognitive benefits of semen retention? If so, how has not masturbating for a long time helped you with your daily problems?

I do nofap (unintentionally, just started as noporn but haven't felt the need to fap) and feel a lot more energy. I was thinking about this the other day and figured that the semen retention aspect is bullshit. Otherwise you would see vasectomies extremely highly correlated with a huge increase overall happiness and life quality considering they are retaining 100% of their semen while nofappers still have the possibility to lose their streak. I don't think there's a huge correlation but correct me if I'm wrong.

Haven't bothered to look into the research on YBOP too much, but from what I've heard it's more due to the addiction aspect and dopamine, etc in your brain which causes the cognitive benefits, not the energy your body reabsorbs from the semen.

Sacrificing L-theanine for a severe lack in fluoride compared to Green Tea, Herbal Tea has been praised by many, to have served as a good substitute to Green, AND black tea alike! Here is the list of the level of fluoride in different green teas. With Herbal Tea containing the smallest amount. delishably.com/beverages/Fluoride-Content-in-Black-Tea-White-Tea-and-Green-Tea-Tea-Health-Benefits-and-Dangers
That's a good point, but testimonies from people on the NoFap subreddit are spitting a lot of stuff against your statement that nofap is bs. While I'm not taking any sides, I would lean more towards your side, but I myself would be leaning more to your side of the "argument" I have always had a porn problem, and due to this addiction, my social skills are almost non-existent. However, after attempting to perform retention after 4 days, I felt as though I was able to focus more and perform more productive actions. They also said I'd attract females more easily, but no luck there. I might have to go for over a week of no fapping and see how that works out in public, I wonder how a girl would react if I grabbed her tits in a mall after having kept my semen in my ballsack for over a month.

Will snake oil improve cognitive ability?

nootropics is homeopathy for nerds

no fish oil XD

Except we're also as advanced in technology as we are with medicine. This is Veeky Forums isn't it? We're all nerds here.

OP here, gonna go to sleep for the night. I'd tell ya to have fun but how can anyone have fun without OP, right? Anyway, try your best to stay entertained and happy without me, and those of you who haven't died of boredom will get to feel my amazing presence in the morning.

>Except we're also as advanced in technology as we are with medicine.

none of these things have been shown by any worthwhile experiment to be effective at making you 'smarter'. it's all bullshit

Can't sleep so I'll stay a little longer. Explain to me how you cannot understand that nootropics contain nutrients that the brain NEEDS in order to properly function and survive. Explain to me how one would feel the exact same way without these vital and totally necessary nutrients that nootropics offer.
Explain to me how a person can do things that require energy, with no energy.

You HAVE to be baiting. You just have to be baiting, there's no way anyone who knows a healthy brain is a nourished brain can say nootropics have not been proven to work exactly as they were intended to. Either that, or you're a proper fool.

One time a Facebook group I'm in started a discussion on how these changed their lives, despite normally being pretty levelheaded. I asked them why they were bragging about being scammed. I hope you don't get scammed OP.

The nutrients in them would be doing absolutely nothing to help your intelligence. An average diet provides everything the brain requires to function just fine; it is only when you are nutrient deficient that nutrition becomes a factor in your intelligence.

I'd say nofap is useless, but noporn is quite useful. Don't look at any porn even don't glimpse at shot webm's you might find on Veeky Forums. I know it's hard, but doable.
Fap as much as you want, your brain will adjust to your natural fap rhythm, you won't be impulsively led to fapping. Porn really disrupts thinking.

>The average diet
Tell me more about how I will be able to get enough Citicoline, Rhodiola Rosea, Phosphatidylserine, Bacopa Monnieri, Lion’s Mane Mushroom, Maritime Pine Bark Extract, L-Tyrosine, L-Theanine, Rhodiola Rosea, and Omega B3, B6, and B12, all in one even above average diet. Go on, I'm waiting.

The absolute state of pseudoscience

youtube.com/watch?v=n2IHbHTqjLo

Saw this the other day, what do you guys think?

Excellent find.

OP here, still haven't been able to fall asleep due to severe nose congestion. This sucks, but while our beloved thread is still breathing (even better than my nose) can anyone tell me if I can get brain damage from ingesting too much Xylometazoline Hydrochloride? Thanks in advance.

You said Rhodiola Rosea twice. Nice memory you got there. Tell me more about how the diet that your brain has evolved to consume over millions of years isn’t sufficient for its needs.

Creatine is supposed to have positive cognitive effects and it's cheap as fuck. I'm taking it now, but more for the muscle gains than the brain gains.

The only problem here is that we don't know what that diet is.

enjoy your hairloss, friend

Its not hard to figure out what ancient humans ate.
>anything they could fucking find
So that means a diet consisting of equal parts fruit, vegetables, tree nuts, and meat will pretty closely resemble the diet that we built our brains on. Throw in some magic mushrooms every once in a while if you ascribe to the “stoned ape theory”. Speaking of, why dont you add Psylocybe cubensis to your nootropic regimine? Despite being big scary drugs they are scientifically proven to be an excellent facilitator of neurogenesis at low doses.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23727882/

>Male pattern baldness running in your family
lmaoing at your life, I'm not a genelet so I can leave humanity behind with an head full of hair thanks to creatine

...

Ecks dee

mercury is good 4 u though

I copy pasted that diet off of Mind Lab Pro's ingredients page, which is on their website, and cut me some slack, I couldn't fall asleep despite laying in bed for over 5 hours. Anyway, the human mind has evolved over thousands of years to accept a diet we choose to give it, that's like saying our dog has accepted a certain inferior dog food to a superior dog food because it's been fed the stuff for long enough to adjust. That doesn't automatically make the superior food unnessecary.

>that's like saying our dog has accepted a certain inferior dog food to a superior dog food because it's been fed the stuff for long enough to adjust
No. Its not. Our brain evolved to eat the diet we had access to over millions of years, giving your dog shit food for a month isnt even close to the same time scale or even the same basis of my argument. Can you be malnourished? Yes of course. Does lack of nourishment affect cognition? Yes it does. However, if you are eating a balanced diet already, taking fish oil and other supplements wont change much. Your body can only absorb a certain quantity of certain nutrients over a certain period of time. Anything in excess of that quantity is expelled in your urine. Guess what determines that quantity you get to absorb? I will give you a hint, it starts with an “E”, and bible thumpers deny it exists.

>Explain to me how you cannot understand that nootropics contain nutrients that the brain NEEDS in order to properly function and survive.

1. Just because you put a molecule in a pill does not mean it's actually reaching the tissue you're targeting. Bioavailability is like half of the struggle of creating an effective drug. You have zero evidence that you didn't shit out literally 100% of the active ingredient.

2. If the brain NEEDS the thing in your pill to survive, then it's already been getting it for the duration of your life, considering you aren't dead.

3. You have no double-blind, placebo-controlled study which demonstrates that these things are increasing any sort of metric of intelligence. Every single anecdote in this thread can be chalked up to placebo effect and probably a little bit of viral marketing too. Your post with all the 'nourishment' buzzword jargon comes off pretty ad-like to me. Anything you aren't telling us?

>Citicoline, Rhodiola Rosea, Phosphatidylserine, Bacopa Monnieri, Lion’s Mane Mushroom, Maritime Pine Bark Extract, L-Tyrosine, L-Theanine, Rhodiola Rosea, and Omega B3, B6, and B12

burden of proof here is to prove that any of that has jack-shit to do with increasing your intelligence

Genes. Genes are what determine how much nutrition our bodies are allowed to absorb. However, since figuring out an exact reading on how much nutrition our bodies are able to absorb takes a lot of effort and time (what with the taking into consideration the body mass, body weight, organ health, adaptive efficiency, etc...) we can't be too sure to assume that we are or aren't getting enough nutrition. With that said, I'm quite sure that if you had a pill in front of you, that was guaranteed to fill you with nutrients, and if you knew those nutrients were necessary for improved intracranial function, you'd take that pill without hesitation.

>just because
Nootropics have been out for years, the developers are constantly developing more efficient consumption methods, as time progresses. It is impossible to shit out 100% of a nutrient pill, why? That's some great logic you've come up with, because if you knew anything about the human body at all, you'd know that the body's always using resources, so the farthest you'll get is shitting out MAYBE 90% of the nutrients, but never 100% as, once again, the body is using those nutrients all the time.
>survival
There are varying levels of survival, but yes, I see your point there, However, in order to repair damage, remember, nutrients are crucial for properly recovering from something like a whack to the head from a sledgehammer or baseball bat.
>the placebo
The one that works based on hundreds of thousands of testimonies? Do you even know who the Alex Jones or Joe Rogan is and how their Brain Force/Alpha Brain has supercharged them and their ability to repair brain almost all brain damage? Didn't you read what I said above? I myself used to have brain damage, but now it's gone.
>burden of proof
Go click on the link I posted above about the teen who escaped a coma thanks to ONLY ONE of these nootropics pieces.

You're like a Jedi trying to instigate a Primarch or Tech Priest to fight him at an intergalactic bar.

It's going to take me more than one post to explain why you're a retard.

>It is impossible to shit out 100% of a nutrient pill, why?

Bioavailability, dipshit. Chemical compounds are not all equally absorbed by the small intestine. There are literally dozens of dietary supplements on the market where 90% of the dosage is found in the feces, and the rest of it is in the urine because the body doesn't absorb it.

Drugs targeting the brain have an even bigger hurdle to cover, which is that they need to pass through the blood-brain barrier. Your assumptions here ar that your magic brain pill is;

a.) not destroyed in the stomach
b.) absorbed in the intestines
c.) not immediately broken apart by the liver
and d.) passes through the blood brain barrier and reaches the right part of the brain's parenchyma

Each one of these things requires laboratory research to establish, and none of it has been performed by any of the people selling this shit. This DOESN'T EVEN ASSUME that the compound actually has ANY positive impact on brain tissue. These are just the bare requirements needed for your pill to get from mouth to brain.

> However, in order to repair damage, remember, nutrients are crucial for properly recovering from something like a whack to the head from a sledgehammer or baseball bat.

So not only do you think these things make you smarter, but you're implying that they can cure traumatic brain injury. This one isn't just retarded, but it's dangerous.

In the spirit of science, I do encourage you to brain yourself with a baseball bat, take some nootropics, and tell me if it prevents your brain from swelling and stops the neuroinflammation. If you survive, you'll win a Nobel Prize since there's literally nothing on the market that can do what you're claiming.

>The one that works based on hundreds of thousands of testimonies?

There is nothing preventing the placebo effect from happening hundreds of thousands of times, and you're also not excluding the thousands of fake reviews put out by the vendors selling from places like Singapore where the FDA can't do shit about it.

And again, these testimonies are based on people who ~think~ they're smarter after taking these. There's no metric that proves it. For instance, you think you're more intelligent having taken these nootropics, but in fact, you're a complete retard. Granted, I don't know whether you were ~more~ retarded before or after taking them, but the claim that it will make you smart is already contradicted by your case.

>Do you even know who the Alex Jones or Joe Rogan is

At this point, it's plausible that you're trolling me, but I'm still going to shit on you so that nobody buys this crap.

>Go click on the link I posted above about the teen who escaped a coma thanks to ONLY ONE of these nootropics pieces.

It's almost like you can go into a coma, be fed sugar pills, and still wake up for the exact same reasons you would have woken up from the coma without them. Doesn't mean sugar rescues you from unconsciousness.

>more than one post to explain why you're a retard
Your inability to shorten your explanation into one post whilst keeping the same amount of detail and elaboration kind of makes you look like the retard.
>bioavailability
What is testing? Give me a link to your claim of dozens of dietary supplements being found with 90% of their dosage in the manure.
Literally all I had to do to to prove you wrong right now was tell you about a thing called testing, which almost all nootropics have been, go to MLP's website and see how much they've tested there for yourself you dumb nigger.
>dangerous retardation
If nutrients couldn't heal traumatic brain injury, I'd be in a fucking wheelchair by now, I've taken plenty of heavy blows to the head, many of which were very close to each other in regards to time. I'm lucky I haven't developed Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy, but if it didn't exist, we'd all be find and dandy, as CTE is an incurable disease thus far. I wouldn't expect you to know anything about that, you fucking spic. Also, you clearly ignored the fact that cerebrolysin exists.
>placebos
"You've provided evidence by citing many sources and information for me to check to test the credibility of your statement, I've given you nothing in return, but I'm still right, btw you're a retard" fuckin' Abbo, see the irony here? If you don't, just check how much evidence you've sent me to support your claims, and now check how much evidence I've sent you. Now evaluate the basics of an argument. Those who provide the evidence and concrete facts are those who are usually right.
>trolling
Oh I'M trolling you eh? Well, once again, check the facts.
>sugar pills
Not sugar pills, or at least not JUST sugar pills, if you weren't some retarded philipinoy who couldn't read, you'd know that it's FISH OIL that saved the guy.

You really bring out my wacky side, I really want to force your bitch mouth open and shove 20 focus formula pills down your throat. You dirty little whore.

>Your inability to shorten your explanation into one post whilst keeping the same amount of detail and elaboration kind of makes you look like the retard.

Guess this answers my next question, which is: have you ever read a biology textbook before?

>What is testing? Give me a link to your claim of dozens of dietary supplements being found with 90% of their dosage in the manure.

Vitamin C, B, and folic acid are all water-soluble vitamins, meaning they're quickly excreted as urine when they aren't used single-pass by cells. So those 'megadose' pills with 1000% your daily value of Vitamin C are doing nothing more than dying your pee yellow. Essentially, any of your vitamins which are both water-soluble and only biologically relevant in small concentrations are going to be pissed out at rates exceeding 95%.

>I've taken plenty of heavy blows to the head, many of which were very close to each other in regards to time

More than one blow to the head in a short amount of time does not a traumatic brain injury make. Many of my colleagues work with traumatic brain injury, and the pathology has literally nothing to do with the brain 'not having enough nourishment'. It's because you get damaging neuroinflammation when the immune system overreacts to the injury.

If you actually had a TBI, you would have been sent to the ICU. You wouldn't have had enough time to try and treat it with your bullshit sugar pills lol, otherwise we wouldn't be talking right now because you'd be brain dead.

>Also, you clearly ignored the fact that cerebrolysin exists.

I didn't ignore it - you never mentioned it in your post. It does look like a moderately promising therapy for cognitive decline in TBI, but so far I don't see any large-scale trials. Wait until it gets to phase 3 in FDA approval. Lots of stuff looks good in the preliminary research but fails when put through more stringent tests.

>you'd know that it's FISH OIL that saved the guy.

If you didn't CTE your reading comprehension skills to death, you'd realize that I was mocking your bullshit nootropics by calling them sugar pills. Whether it's fish oil or sugar is irrelevant because neither of those things treat TBI.

I'm going to level with you dude, you have literally no clue what you're talking about. I don't think you know anything about how the brain or biology in general works, and I don't think you've ever read a research paper.

You browse this board because you like to pretend like you actually know how science works, but you don't. I'm near certain you have absolutely no background in science based on how you write and reason. Alex Jones shilled you some 'sciency-sounding' pills that he promised would fix your bum brain. It didn't because you're still a fucking retard.

If TBI, dementia, and mental retardation were curable through nutritional supplements, they would have been already. I know labs whose sole job is to screen thousands of different biologically-relevant compounds to see whether they're promising neuroprotectants. Some nutritionists best guess at what the brain needs for 'nourishment' is not the cure for these problems.

nootropics are a meme driven by broscience and retrads thinking rat studies can be applied to humans
dont believe me?
read about noopept and racetams, they are the most hyped nootropics with billions of market value and yet have 0 (sic!) studies of positive, cognitive effects in healthy adults

>read about noopept and racetams, they are the most hyped nootropics with billions of market value and yet have 0 (sic!) studies of positive, cognitive effects in healthy adults

b-b-b-but alex jones t-told me it was science

given how fish oil is so beneficial I am sure snake oil would be somewhat beneficial too

>fish oil is so beneficial
are you talking about its cognitive effects? because there are none

>have you ever read a biology textbook before?
I've read more than you have and have achieved very high grades while I was back in school, studying biology. Your point?
>the waste
It seems to get the job done for me, as long as I'm nourished, it's all fine and dandy, but once again, the developers know how the water-soluble and non-soluble vitamins behave because it's kind of their job to perform extensive research on their own products if they want them to sell (duh) so they will figure out ways for the vitamins to be force-absorbed, as making vitamin packets that don't absorb are like making a petrol based vehicle without a petrol tank.
>More than one blow to the head in a short amount of time does not a traumatic brain injury make.
Was phrasing it like that intentional to mock my supposed TBI? Regardless, you still haven't provided evidence as to how proper nourishment doesn't assist the brain during its repair sequence I have already provided one link and have a lot more to pull out of my sleeve just for you. (Makes ya feel special huh?) And c'mon man, we all know about neuroinflammation, I'm talking about how the brain utilizes nutrition to fix the post inflammatory effects, you clearly know nothing about the power of the basal ganglia and how much the process of neuroplasticity is capable of. You do realize that the more nutrition the brain has, the faster it can generate new brain cells which are even more powerful than their dead predecessors right? You do realize that the generation of new brain cells to recover for dead brain cells killed after experiencing TBI is one of the ways how the brain can fully repair itself, right? The cognitive decline is cause by a large amount of brain cells getting killed off by the impact. Need I seriously explain the most elementary stuff to you regarding nutrition being the only source of fuel that allows the brain to manufacture new cells? Do you even try to look like you know about cell manufacturing?

>You never mentioned it in your post
Tell me what you see here, another user posted a pic of it AND A link to a YT video regarding it. Look, did you seriously fail to take the time to be able to do a quick skim through this thread to find this blatantly revealed post right here?

Ive tried some and theyre indeed working some have more or less strong stimulating/sedating effects

Is adderal really that good? I hear it doesn't work for people that don't need it.

Also, is there a nootropic equivalent of adderal?

>phase 3 in FDA approval
That's a huge what if, I'm sure it'll pass.
>CTE your reading skills to death
You assume I know that sugar pills are a slang for nootropics? How would I know that? I've never heard anyone use this slang. Ha! What a classic case of false conclusion based on assumption.

>I'm going to level with you dude
I'm no biologist or neurologist, but definitely know more than you do based on how little evidence you have given compared to me.

>Alex Jones shilled you
I barely watch Alex Jones, I'm just informed. I said I ordered Alpha Brain, not Brain Force you retard, if you possessed the mental capacity to pay attention to the thread, you'd have already known this.

>the cure
You can't deny that mental retardation, dementia, and TBI are all a result of a brain cell degeneration and deficiency, you can't deny that nutrition as I said before is why the brain is even capable of generating new brain cells in the first place. Why this has not fixed mental retardation or dementia yet is beyond me, but I could've sworn I saw testimonies of people already being cured of mental disabilities and dementia and alzheimers thanks to nootropics.
>a meme
They said owning an AK was a meme on /k/
But is it really that much of a meme if its least powerful version is more reliable than today's AR 15s/M4s? Same goes for the nootropics.

>They said owning an AK was a meme on /k/
>But is it really that much of a meme if its least powerful version is more reliable than today's AR 15s/M4s? Same goes for the nootropics.
holy fuck can you get more autistic than that? you probably think you're making sense, dont you? hahah

Remember what they said about the AK-47 never jamming? Now soak it's trashy American counterpart into mud and try firing.

i'm not sure if you're serious anymore

So counter attack, what are you waiting for?

You don't need MPB, creatine will cause hairloss regardless.

>It doesn't work for people who don't need it
No one needs it. It's a bandaid solution for ADHD. It's a stimulant, as well as a congnitive enhancer. I try to stay away from it as it causes dependency.

>Implying depending on something good is a bad thing

Prove it

No

OP here, guess what! I'm already on my second day of nofap!!!

How long do I have to do NoFap before I can get laid by a girl with no sexually transmitted diseases?

>I've read more than you have and have achieved very high grades while I was back in school, studying biology. Your point?

Your wording here implies you flunked out or didn't finish. For all I know, you're talking about high school, but even holding a B.S. in Biology doesn't equip you to have any sort of expert opinion on what treats TBI and what doesn't. 0/10.

>the developers know how the water-soluble and non-soluble vitamins behave because it's kind of their job to perform extensive research on their own products if they want them to sell

It actually isn't because nobody is testing the efficacy of their product. Four posts above you, another user mentioned that there is literally billions of dollars in the market for nootropics which have actually been shown /not/ to work.

>Regardless, you still haven't provided evidence as to how proper nourishment doesn't assist the brain during its repair sequence

First things first - you do not provide evidence that something 'doesn't' work, you provide evidence that it does. That principle is called the burden of proof. It's why you don't need to provide evidence that green geese don't exist - it's the null hypothesis you dipshit.

Second, there is no such thing as the 'repair sequence'. You literally made that up. The brain is constantly repairing itself and trimming old and damaged synapses. This is mediated by cells like astrocytes and microglia. If your cells weren't doing that, you would have neurodegeneration and die.

>You do realize that the more nutrition the brain has, the faster it can generate new brain cells

It's a highly sigmoidal relationship. Either you're eating a normal diet, or you're starving to death and your brain rots away. Stuffing your body full of absurd doses of supposed 'brain-healthy' molecules does nothing.

Also, that's 100% a testable hypothesis. Prove it with science, brainlet.

Looks like people did end up responding to the thread.

>That's a huge what if, I'm sure it'll pass.

Most of the time it doesn't. You want to know how I know that? Because I work in this field, dipshit.

>I'm no biologist or neurologist, but definitely know more than you do based on how little evidence you have given compared to me.

I literally have authorship on papers in neuroscience journals. Eat my well-decorated cock.

>You can't deny that mental retardation, dementia, and TBI are all a result of a brain cell degeneration and deficiency

I can deny the 'deficiency' part because your implication is that the brain is deprived of nootropics, and there isn't any evidence that the vast majority of these pills do anything whatsoever. The brain cell degeneration part is true based on MRI/PET scans.

>Why this has not fixed mental retardation or dementia yet is beyond me

It's beyond you because you have literally no standard for quality of evidence. If you want to prove that these things work, the scientific equipment to do so already fucking exists. It's called a double-blind, placebo-controlled study. Use the same metrics for cognitive decline and brain damage that neuroscientists have been using for decades. Hell, I'm sure many of these pills have already been tested in this fashion. Just find the papers, and maybe you won't be spouting 100% bullshit anymore.

>2018
>not injecting yourself with pureed pig brain to get smarter

>wording
Well, if you claim to know much more than me and are supposedly the expert, and will determine who will decide what treats TBI and doesn't, then go ahead and enlighten me, what exactly is it that treats TBI? After all, if you said there are things that treat it and things that don't, clearly there is something that works legions better than nutrition, so spit it out, spill your secrets nigger.
>the efficacy
Nootropics are popular around the globe, if you were educated on the basics of geography, you would know that this basically means a very high number of people in the globe's population is well informed about nootropics. For you to think no one is testing the efficacy of them is just plain brain dead of you. I mean COME ON!!! There are thousands of reviews all over the web about nootropics, and most of them are not biased or sponsored because of multiple reviews having roughly the same results. I myself have been able to set a new world record in a videogame thanks to nutrition packets like Focus Formula. It's almost as if you think no one on the planet is more informed than or just as informed as you, who knows about nootropics.
>you do not provide evidence that something doesn't exist
So despite the fact that I already gave you evidence in the form of a link leading to a news story about a teen who was revived from a coma with nootropics, and you calling it BS despite not being able to prove that it would have the same outcome if he were to be fed nothing nutritious, you need more evidence? You can easily counterattack here by posting a link to a site that covered a story where a test was performed regarding feeding one group of comatose individuals nootropics, and feeding the other normal everyday food, which was concluded with indifference from both parties and the recovery time being the same. Why haven't you thought of this yet you illiterate oaf?
>making it up
Then it's a constant maintenance sequence.

how does it feel to be this much of an idiot

>this much of an idiot
Prove that I'm an idiot.

>100% testable hypothesis You just proved it yourself with your previous sentence. "Either you're eating a normal diet, or you're starving to death and your brain rots away." This is implying that without the diet (nutrition) your brain suffers from lack of nutrition, and the brain suffers as a result, so therefore, when you're starving to death, which is a result of malnutrition, which means your brain is not getting enough nutrition, you create less brain cells than you would have been able to with proper nutrition, and there IS proof that the amount of nutrition determines generation speed. Here's the proof m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_56253c16e4b0bce347019a2c As you can see, one of the key points at the bottom of the article clearly states that neurogenesis (neuro plasticity) is determined by smart diet choices, and they mentioned fatty acids which can be found in nootropics, as we have discussed eariler, nootropics determine the speed of how many more cells you can grow as opposed to how many you could grow if you were to refrain from taking nootropics. Here's more proof with science. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4563885/
You only have to stray about 15-20 paragraphs to find that the conclusions of the two test subjects revealed that an unhealthier diet, which would be one with less nutrition than that of a healthier diet, resulted in decreased cognitive function, and what is decreased cognitive function due to? YES, MISSING BRAIN CELLS! There's your proof.
>I work in this field
Prove it.
>I have all this
Prove it.
>the nootropics offer nutrition, refer to the links I posted above for more confirmation on why the nutrition is the main factor behind brain cell generation, or, neurogenesis.
>find the papers
Believe you me, I've tried more than you have, if I can't find any, you can't either.
Don't use that as am incentive to go searching for links to prove me wrong. You won't successfully find anything.

Fug I'll quickly fix this greentext.

>100% testable hypothesis
You just proved it yourself with your previous sentence. "Either you're eating a normal diet, or you're starving to death and your brain rots away." This is implying that without the diet (nutrition) your brain suffers from lack of nutrition, and the brain suffers as a result, so therefore, when you're starving to death, which is a result of malnutrition, which means your brain is not getting enough nutrition, you create less brain cells than you would have been able to with proper nutrition, and there IS proof that the amount of nutrition determines generation speed. Here's the proof m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_56253c16e4b0bce347019a2c As you can see, one of the key points at the bottom of the article clearly states that neurogenesis (neuro plasticity) is determined by smart diet choices, and they mentioned fatty acids which can be found in nootropics, as we have discussed eariler, nootropics determine the speed of how many more cells you can grow as opposed to how many you could grow if you were to refrain from taking nootropics. Here's more proof with science. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4563885/
You only have to stray about 15-20 paragraphs to find that the conclusions of the two test subjects revealed that an unhealthier diet, which would be one with less nutrition than that of a healthier diet, resulted in decreased cognitive function, and what is decreased cognitive function due to? YES, MISSING BRAIN CELLS! There's your proof.
>I work in this field
Prove it.
>I have all this
Prove it.
>the nootropics offer nutrition, refer to the links I posted above for more confirmation on why the nutrition is the main factor behind brain cell generation, or, neurogenesis.
>find the papers
Believe you me, I've tried more than you have, if I can't find any, you can't either.
Don't use that as an incentive to go searching for links to prove me wrong. You won't successfully find anything.

>100% testable hypothesis
You just proved it yourself with your previous sentence. "Either you're eating a normal diet, or you're starving to death and your brain rots away." This is implying that without the diet (nutrition) your brain suffers from lack of nutrition, and the brain suffers as a result, so therefore, when you're starving to death, which is a result of malnutrition, which means your brain is not getting enough nutrition, you create less brain cells than you would have been able to with proper nutrition, and there IS proof that the amount of nutrition determines generation speed. Here's the proof m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_56253c16e4b0bce347019a2c As you can see, one of the key points at the bottom of the article clearly states that neurogenesis (neuro plasticity) is determined by smart diet choices, and they mentioned fatty acids which can be found in nootropics, as we have discussed eariler, nootropics determine the speed of how many more cells you can grow as opposed to how many you could grow if you were to refrain from taking nootropics. Here's more proof with science. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4563885/
You only have to stray about 15-20 paragraphs to find that the conclusions of the two test subjects revealed that an unhealthier diet, which would be one with less nutrition than that of a healthier diet, resulted in decreased cognitive function, and what is decreased cognitive function due to? YES, MISSING BRAIN CELLS! There's your proof.
>I work in this field
Prove it.
>I have all this
Prove it.
>ability to deny
the nootropics offer nutrition, refer to the links I posted above for more confirmation on why the nutrition is the main factor behind brain cell generation, or, neurogenesis.
>find the papers
Believe you me, I've tried more than you have, if I can't find any, you can't either.
Don't use that as am incentive to go searching for links to prove me wrong. You won't successfully find anything.

I snort meth twice a year before each semester's finals week. 4.0 GPA

and all the other posts.

Why you talking about neurogenesis. It only occurs in two parts of the brain and has nothing to do eoth tbi recovery.

The paper u studied is also misleading. Hippocampal volume isnt necessary to do woth neurogenesis and neurogenesis only occurs in part of the hippocampus.

Plus it also mentions how researh consistently fails to show supplements increasing cognition other than from changes in natural diet.

Also where does it say its the main factor?

You sound very naive on this topic. When have alzheimers or dementia ever been cured? Maybe that symptoms are alleviated slightly less or implicated in prevention but your statement is something no scientist wd agree with.

Also ill say again. Youre confusing this tbi and demntia stuff with neurogenesis. Just because some disorders are aassociated symptomatically with dead brain cells doesnt mean neurogenesis alleviates it. Neurogenesis is associated with better cognition but not in relation to regenerating. The function of neurogenesis isnt about regeneration at all. Tbi isnt improved by neurogenesis. Neurogenesis in the hippocanpus is specifically implicated with a specific cognitive process called pattern separation. Neurogenesis may alleviate memory problems from alzheimers or something potentially in an indirect way. But in no way is it reversing damage since alzheimers affects alot of areas simply not having neurogenesis even if neurogenesis was for that kind of repair.

Btw im not ur aeguing guy as u see in my above couple posts. Your jumping the gun abit.

Easy
See >Well, if you claim to know much more than me and are supposedly the expert
No where in this post does this user claim to be expert.

You cant even comprehend someone elses writing ergo there can be no argument ergo you are an idiot.

Then how exactly do we repair or cure TBI, Dementia, Alzheimers, autism, down syndrome, etc... what's the cure if it's not nutrition? Is there even a cure yet? This should have been a priority for neurologists to figure out, as sometimes, we can't avoid getting into an accident. For a person who's worked their whole life to earn something and then lose it all through brain damage while also being told that it can't be fixed would ruin their lives. Why haven't we discovered the cure yet?

>nowhere in this post
It's not in the post, but many posts ago, he himself claimed that he worked in this field so he must imply that if he works in this field, he is more educated than I am on this topic, but he has yet to prove his claim. Idiot.

Stop fucking samefagging

Dude I'm nooooooooooooooooot.

Why the fuck du expect us to have one. We have so much we dont know yet despite our efforts. Stupid question.