Why does Veeky Forums hate CS so much but obsess about it and its figures?
Why does Veeky Forums hate CS so much but obsess about it and its figures?
Liam Price
Chase Adams
>misrepresenting CpE as CS
Carter King
is CpE a respected major?
Parker Powell
i hate CS because they think that by moving data around it makes a hard-science, and its not.
Technically speaking if i pick up a pencil from a table and put it into a bag, the information of the universe is different.
CS does 2 things, and i'm going to use science and art as examples.
CS can move data around in a scientific way, but it can also to it in an artistic way.
Graphics/animations/game-design are all lumped into CS in a way that has confused CS guys into thinking they are doing science. If i make a game, thats design, thats art. the tools i use to make it are inconsequential to the end product.
If i use CS to test, model and explain hypotheses of anything.
CS blurs the lines between hard-science, soft-science and design/art, because the tools are the same
Blake Murphy
I triggered hard and forgot to follow up some of those sentences
Henry Diaz
It should be called computer literacy, not CS.
If computers are used to test simulate and conduct reductionist science, whether hard or soft, then it should be called CS
Ryan Clark
I think you're right to point out that CS has a lot of overlap with design/art. There is also something odd when one thinks about it as a "hard science", since it is (in general) less about hypotheses and experimental methods (although algorithm efficiency is always tested in practice as well as analyzed in theory).
When you learn the more rigorous/abstract areas of CS (theory of computation) it is more about mathematics. Actual *data* doesn't play much of a part.
Hence more than a "hard science" I think the term "formal science" fits better.
But it is a beautiful and deep subject, always asking questions about the limit of knowledge.
Jordan Mitchell
>Graphics/animations/game-design are all lumped into CS
never had anything to do with graphics, animation or game design on my uni
Nathan Powell
Lol sorry about your lame math degree.
Dominic Reyes
Graphics is most definitely an area of CS, and it includes animation. Game design, however, is not. I'm frankly surprised your uni has no graphics courses at all. Is it a small university?
And by graphics I don't mean making graphics, I mean geometric problems and rendering (raytracers, spatial optimization for rendering, implicit rendering, surface reconstruction, etc).
What uni do you go to?
Oliver Roberts
It's funny because in many countries CpE is called CS while CS is called IT on universities.
I think it became a meme when IT deegres started naming themselves CS.
Noah Hall
It is because of Veeky Forums purism, which is a form of contrarianism, they think it makes them seem unique and therefore superior; it doesn't.
Isaac White
Cambridge:
>undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk
No:
>Graphics/animations/game-design are all lumped into CS in a way that has confused CS guys into thinking they are doing science.
Oxford:
>ox.ac.uk
Whilst there is:
>Graphics/animations/game-design are all lumped into CS in a way that has confused CS guys into thinking they are doing science.
It is all optional.
So, I guess you should just choose a good university?
Bentley Barnes
The CS meme exists because there's a difference between real, academic CS and 'CS'. Genuine CS is a perfectly legitimate and respectable field of study that's involved with a lot of really neat problems that can mean a lot for progress, mathematically and practically, and I think anyone who can respect math or physics sees that on some level
In the undergraduate level, this otherwise perfectly fine field is disregarded and trashed by school curriculums and students alike. Codemonkeys with no interest in meaningful problems, pajeets and hyperchads jacking off to the thought of interning at Facebook or Google, kids who want to make video games, aspiring web devs who think a three-week bootcamp is the same as a four-year degree in computer science. These groups make up somewhere between 98 and 99% of CS students at the undergraduate level, and they all think they're the smartest people to ever grace the earth since the beginning of time. They are the epitome of everything someone with a serious passion for a field of math or science would dislike.
CS's great figures are just fine. great, really. Like a lot of modern mathematicians and physicists. The issue is that most CS programs at universities lack any rigor and attract the worst categories of people imaginable
Brandon White
>It is all optional.
It's optional at the universities I was talking about too, so I don't see how that refutes anything. You literally agreed with my point that it's offered at basically every university. Both universities (Oxford/Cambridge) you mentioned there offer graphics courses. (I had to look on the syllbaus here; cl.cam.ac.uk
As for cambridge, they even have an entire research group dedicated towards graphics/interaction:
cl.cam.ac.uk
Christian Lee
>These groups make up somewhere between 98 and 99% of CS students at the undergraduate level,
I agree with your general point, but you should know that this varies greatly between different parts of the world. I think it is much more of a problem in the US than it is in Europe, for example.
Angel Davis
This is what I believe as well. In my country there is no such thing as CS, in it's place is what is known as Informatics Engineering, which mainly focuses on coding, server management, etc. (the typical IT and codemonkey curriculum) although they do have to take some math and physics classes, so it's not like they are entirely inept as these CS undergrads from the US that are mentioned here.
I am currently in a double major programme my Uni offers for those more interested in mathematics and theoretical computer science, which mainly focuses on what you'd expect from such a programme: theory of computation, algorithms, cryptography, etc.
Levi Campbell
Are you talking about theoretical CS or software dev?
Matthew Allen
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John King
CS is an engineering, not a hard science, Cpt. Reddit Spacing. Also, there's much more than "moving data around" in algorithms, you fucking memer.
Lucas Morgan
>although they do have to take some math and physics classes, so it's not like they are entirely inept as these CS undergrads from the US that are mentioned here.
Keep in mind anything mentioned here is usually exaggerated for effect. Even in the US you're going to have to take probably 5-6 math/stat classes. That and some physics (or other science) depending on the school, but that's usually just part of a general science requirement.
It's the UK schools that are lacking in math/etc, outside of the few top schools. Australia seems bad too.
Adrian Ward
"Computer" "Science" is actually a subdiscipline of magic, this is what actually triggers you because you're obviously not a magician
Ryder Cook
CS is pure fine art. In fact, it's very similar to high fashion in the sense of morphisms and the abstractions each fields makes.
To suggest anything else is to tard. (tard: verb meaning "to be a retard")
Juan Martinez
Hey, I was actually thinking of minoring/double majoring in CS undergrad. I just want to learn to program because I think that is neccessary in any field of science. Should i not take the classes and teach myself? Major is Biophysics