"More on pop music. It's amazing that this shit is held up as progressive...

>"More on pop music. It's amazing that this shit is held up as progressive, when really it's an uneducated fool without any teeth and gold chains all over him bragging about selling drugs, murdering people, and how much money he makes. The only difference between that and a minstrel show is that pop music producers have actually found black people to act for them, instead of having to don blackface themselves.

>Then there's America's weird pseudo-protestant fetishization of money as a virtue, as though making a fortune as a paid clown is somehow as virtuous as a doctor, lawyer, or teacher who earned their fortune through their own contributions to society. It seems like most people even think it's more virtuous any more, because doing hard things that actually require some intelligence is seen as "upper class" and thus pretentious/exclusive, whereas any retard can "make it" as a professional idiot.

>Sometimes I feel as though our entire civilization has been hijacked by Satan himself. Everything I see in popular society runs so contrary to anything decent or worth living for. Nothing but an orgy of selfishness, victimization, debauchery, and nihilism. Earlier today I was listening to a podcast called "guys we fucked" or something like that. It's one of Apple's most listened to podcasts, and it basically consists of two uninteresting bimbos saying "fuck" for shock value and being generally bitchy, shallow, and utterly repulsive human beings. This is considered political activism in our post-political secular age.

>The only glimmer of hope I've been able to find is the Quran. Submission to God and living a decent morally upright life, that makes sense. All the noise on the radio and television is nothing but a spiritual and intellectual black hole. It's no wonder Islamists would rather go out in a hail of bullets than accept our "superior" western lifestyle."

Is he right Veeky Forums? Is rap music just a modernized form of the minstrel show?

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Well, so much of rap music these days is bragging about how much money you've made and how much stuff you can buy. I guess that's a little minstrel-esque.

Malcolm X wouldn't use the word shit like that

1/10 for effort

>DNA
>Gimme some ganja, gimme some ganja
>DNA
>Gimme some ganja
>Real nigga in my DNA
>Ain't no ho inside my DNA
>Drippin' gold inside my DNA
>Power shows inside my DNA
>DNA
>Gimme some ganja, gimme some ganja
>Real nigga in my DNA
>Ain't no ho inside my DNA

This guy is the artistic and intellectual inspiration for a generation of disenfranchised youth.

What does that do to a society?

More importantly, should media be regulated? It seems like the New Yorker class has a reason for or takes a certain joy in pushing this stuff, so how can society combat that?

Oh, so it wasn't the apple podcast paragraph that clued you in?

>culture becomes ruthlessly commodified to keep an underclass under, donning a progressive guise while squashing any hope of material social progress
Who'd have thunk it

>"At some point during 2015, Kendrick Lamar came to seem like much more than a rapper. One of his best songs, “Alright,” was adopted by the Black Lives Matter movement as an informal anthem; sing-alongs erupted at rallies and protests across the country. “Alright” somehow manages to sound carefree yet urgent, like a radio jingle perforated by drum fills. “We been hurt, been down before,” Lamar raps, preaching about the glory inherent in struggle. “We gon’ be alright.” He sounded like a prophet, capable of articulating what people in the streets desired but couldn’t put into words.

>Lamar appeared to embrace the role. In the video for “Alright,” he soars over Los Angeles and the Bay Area, astonishing all who see him, until a cop brings him down. At the BET Awards, he performed the song on the roof of a vandalized police car. At the 2016 Grammys, he began his performance as part of a chain gang. His verses felt like pronouncements, the words rushing out as though he had been tasked with conveying an entire community’s joys and sorrows. It has become commonplace for hip-hop’s biggest artists to see themselves as globalist curators, absorbing and spreading new sounds. But Lamar’s circle seems only to grow smaller, his music indebted to those who came before."

What does the New Yorker mean by this?

Should have become a Catholic, not a Muslim.

>Oh, so it wasn't the apple podcast paragraph that clued you in?

Nah, I stopped reading there

>it's like satan is controlling society

Stopped reading here. Also what the fuck does this have to do with literature?

>these days
>implying this wasnt always the case

>commonplace for hip-hop’s biggest artists to see themselves as globalist curators,

Bogdanoffs control hip hop

well said user

it worries me that there's an entire generation that's been raised on this kind of garbage though.

>he doesn't enjoy watching minstrel shows

youtube.com/watch?v=qmEemOfsxhs

White people are literally the worst creatures on the planet.

fuck you too nigger

FUCK OFF RACIST ASS WHITE BITCH YO PPL RUINED DA WHOL FUCKIN PLANET YOU WEAK ASS PUSSY RAISIN ASS BITCH FUCK YO I HOPE YO HOLE RACE DIES OUT WHITE ASS MOTHERFUVKIN BITCH

Go back to /pol/, kiddo.

go back to sucking nigger dick, faggot

kek

Mad because a black guy stole your girl?

black guy can't steal my girl if i never had a girl in the first place

You show those niggers.

[citation needed]

Malcolm never said this.

Despite the bait, what people fail to acknowledge is that all leaders of the black rights movement were extremely morally conservative. Their ultimate goal was assimilation of the black population into wasp culture. People like Obama were their wet dream.

People really don't tell you this and we seem to be going in a different direction now. We accept urban-redneck culture as something inherent to blacks, so we must be accepting of it as a valid cultural identity. This needs to stop.

We are /pol/. This whole site is, especially since pol became overrun with reddit r_the donald. The redditors are all on adv now, and you can tell.

We're just as upset about it as you.

That is, reddit shat up pol as a home board, driving regular users elsewhere with their energy. But the redditors, like niggers and 3rd world populations, shit up the board but then hate the result and so leave. And they've started migrating to different boards.
Net result: pol everywhere.

And fuck niggers. They should declare open season on them and give us $500 bounty per kill.

No idea what you're talking about. Malcolm X was the anti-assimilationist.

Kendrick literally criticize the same things OP does. In a politically correct world he is one of very few who criticize black people, black culture, violence, hip hop and so on. You're a dum-dum. Listen to TPaB, it's full of black self hatred

>I got loyalty, got royalty inside my DNA
>This is why I say that hip hop has done more damage to young African Americans than racism in recent years
>I got loyalty, got royalty inside my DNA
>I live a better life, I'm rollin' several dice, fuck your life
>I got loyalty, got royalty inside my DNA
>I live a better, fuck your life
>5, 4, 3, 2, 1
>This is my heritage, all I'm inheritin'
>Money and power, the mecca of marriages

This isn't self criticism, it's a single line in a shitty song acknowledging how shitty the song is.

Besides, black self hatred is just another part of the problem. It's not like black doctors, lawyers, scholars, and hell, a fucking president, don't exist. But the media would rather put unperceptive rappers front and center as icons of the black/minority/poor experience.

The idea of airing people's dirty laundry as a political tool isn't progressive either. If the media focused on people who've actually "made it" out of poverty and done great things in their life. The local banker who was born into poverty, the doctor who started as an orphan, the woman who was raped but went on to hold a government office despite of that, I'd say 90% of our social ills would be solved within a generation.

Obama isn't an assimilationist. Have you even read his book?

Everyone says this all the time, but when I listen to Kendrick's music I just hear the typical garbage. If he does criticize it, he does it in such a way that it sounds less like criticism and more like celebration. If there is irony there, it's lost.

>hating white people is ok
>hating black people is UNACCEPTABLE RACISM

>kek
You need to go back.

Who are you even quoting?

your mom, last night

t. reddit

I'm the biggest hypocrite of 2015
When I finish this if you listen I'm sure you will agree
This plot is bigger than me, it's generational hatred
It's genocism, it's grimy, little justification
I'm African-American, I'm African
I'm black as the heart of a fuckin' Aryan
I'm black as the name of Tyrone and Darius
Excuse my French but fuck you — no, fuck y'all
That's as blunt as it gets, I know you hate me, don't you?
You hate my people, I can tell cause it's threats when I see you
I can tell cause your ways deceitful
No, I can tell because you're in love with that Desert Eagle
Thinkin' maliciously, he get a chain then you gone bleed him
It's funny how Zulu and Xhosa might go to war
Two tribal armies that want to build and destroy
Remind me of these Compton Crip gangs that live next door
Beefin' with Pirus, only death settle the score
So no matter how much I say I like to preach with the Panthers
Or tell Georgia State "Marcus Garvey got all the answers"
Or try to celebrate February like it's my B-Day
Or eat watermelon, chicken, and Kool-Aid on weekdays
Or jump high enough to get Michael Jordan endorsements
Or watch BET cause urban support is important
So why did I weep when Trayvon Martin was in the street when gang banging make me kill a nigga blacker than me?
Hypocrite!

Are we talking about the same Malcolm X? Malcolm X had in his mind a very different man when compared to Obama, who was a type of person that was heavily criticized by him: he would have called him as a house negro.
There was a certain dignity and originality in what he was going for, your analysis is extremely unfair.

This still doesn't actually encourage kids to finish school or go to university, to get a good job, or to take care of their children or contribute to their communities.

It just turns the problems of black communities into public spectacle. Since when is being against gang banging some sort of fucking insurrectionary act anyways?

Imagine if radios played:youtube.com/watch?v=UgFXhAxK5Ts instead. that would be truly revolutionary. But instead we've got people protesting the teaching of humanities courses in university because of perceived "Eurocentrism".

>There's a certain dignity to calling the first black president a house nigger

Fuck off. YOu're exactly what's wrong with society today.

This.

I mean, look at these guys: do you think they're just trying to have a little share in the establishment? That they were looking for a miser compromise? These guys were alpha male who wanted a active, traditional, religious, patriotic, honest, moral, just, comunitarian society: they did not care about black tokens ending up getting orders by forces they did not trust. Obama IS a house negro.

Care to expand? The type of society Malcolm was trying to push for is perfectly harmonized with what a Western society should look like, the fact that they had their own spin was obviously a necessity, since they were being actually subjected to oppression and limitation of their potential. Identity politics make sense when the elite is actively trying to push you down.

>Fuck off. YOu're exactly what's wrong with society today.

Can you explain what you mean with this? Don't you think that Malcolm X was a moral, traditionalist man with a strong ethical grip? In what ways do you think his cause was ill-advised?

All racialism is oppressive, just because some group doesn't have as much power or ability to oppress doesn't mean they don't have the same worldview as the morons on /pol/. Assuming a black nation was established within the USA, what would be done to the white, jewish, asian, native american, and so on communities within it? Forced relocation? Second class citizenship?

And the USA is the most powerful empire in the world today. Even a little share, lets say 15% of a share (which I believe is the black population within the USA), is a lot. Both Black and White people sublimating their identities to an overarching, non-racial, "American" identity would be the best imo, but this is considered racist any more.

Also if you ever read Obama's books you'd realize that he's a very perspective and sensitive thinker, painting him as some sort of establishment front in order to discredit his accomplishments or what it means to have a black president is incredibly stupid and offensive.

I love how nobody's mentioning that Malcolm X was assinated long before rap music was established.

>All racialism is oppressive

Even when it's pure self-defence against a system that is inherently unjust? Remember that we're talking about the '50s and '60s here.

>Forced relocation? Second class citizenship?
Has Malcolm ever made ANY of these proposals? Why are you not sticking to the actual man and it's actual cause, instead of digressing in scenarios you've made up?
There was a certain hostility in its ways, but it was in no way unjust or irrational.

>Both Black and White people sublimating their identities to an overarching, non-racial, "American" identity would be the best imo, but this is considered racist any more.

Malcolm X was not whitewashing his followers, still the norms he proposed were, as the other user said, perfectly compatible with the already present society. The traits he was fighting for were morality, industry, independence and education. What should be criticized in this?
In what way this project could led to a clash of civilizations? In fact it's a model that should trascend race: Malcolm gave us a beautiful rendition of how a life in a Western country should be lived, and he gave his life for it.

>Also if you ever read Obama's books you'd realize that he's a very perspective and sensitive thinker, painting him as some sort of establishment front in order to discredit his accomplishments or what it means to have a black president is incredibly stupid and offensive.

I think his actions are more relevant than his wods. By the way I'm not talking about his internal politics, rather on his contribution to the US machine war in conflicts I can't possibly justify to myself.
I regard his progressive contributes as a mere facade.

Why should it encourage kids to go to university? Do you shoehorn a "stay in school kids" into your art? The point of my post is that Kendrick Lamar isn't just another guy bragging about his wealth. He has an artistic goal, and The Blacker the Berry isn't a fucking after school program about why gangbanging is bad, it's a confession that his deep rage against the white establishment is hypocritical. He's questioning whether he even has the right to be the leader the black community wants him to be.

What's really strange is that people somehow expect popstars to lead social movements. Whatever you think of Kendrick he's an entertainer first and foremost because if he stops being entertaining you can be sure he'll kiss the limelight goodbye so it's ridiculous to have this expectation that he's gonna be some actual revolutionary and not just a platform for selling Sprite to the "urban demographic."

But then again considering we have a reality tv star as president I guess this is just another day in the USA.

>He's questioning whether he even has the right to be the leader the black community wants him to be
Exactly. He shouldn't be a leader of any community at all.

> Why should it encourage kids to go to university?
Because he has unfortunately been selected as the idol for many kids across America, which means he has some responsibility to set them on a straight path.

This fetishization of the "tortured artist" trope is tripe bullshit that was already old when the New York intelligentsia started jerking off to Kanye West. I get that you think art has to be edgy and you're rebelling against high school, but public figures have public responsibilities, and when they ignore that to follow their own banal "artistic goals" the entire world suffers.

Searching for this quotation brings up posts phrased exactly this way not only on Veeky Forums but on other fora as well.

>What's really strange is that people somehow expect popstars to lead social movements.
Who should do it instead? This guy has a grip on the imagination of a good chunk of the Afican-American youth: shouldn't that imply any sort of call for morality, especially when you're fully aware of the plagues of your community?
There is no person better than Kendrick to do that: the fact that he prefers to stay rich, drugged up and famous instead of actually helping (and let's keep in mind that this is the best form of individual help we've got in this society) while showing some remorse, instead of devoting himself to his community speaks volume about his charcter. He should not be praised for his weakness, and he certainly does not truly deserve the position he's in.

I know he's not truly Veeky Forums, but here's a beautiful quote by Beethoven that perfectly incapsulates my opinion on the matter:

>Goethe delights in the court atmosphere far more than is becoming to a poet. Is there any point in talking about absurdities of virtuosos, when poets, who should be regarded as the nation’s first teachers, forget everything for the sake of this glitter?

Deliberate, literary rap is the closest we've got to national poetry at this point, and as such its main proponents should be treated with the same regard.

veekyforums.com/thread/9441126/literature/more-on-pop-music.html

What the fuck?

Of course it's a fake, do you really think that Malcolm X would use the word ''shit'' that liberally?

>Exactly. He shouldn't be a leader of any community at all.
So you agree with him, no problem then.
>Because he has unfortunately been selected as the idol for many kids across America, which means he has some responsibility to set them on a straight path.
And he is explicitly engaging with that notion throughout the album. Seems like perhaps you should give it a listen.
>This fetishization of the "tortured artist" trope is tripe bullshit that was already old when the New York intelligentsia started jerking off to Kanye West.
Reducing what he says to the "tortured artist" trope is just ignorant. All artists draw upon their struggles, it's the specific nature of those struggles, the beauty they find in them, and the conclusions they reach that we look at when judging the depth and merit of their work.
>I get that you think art has to be edgy and you're rebelling against high school
Lol
>but public figures have public responsibilities
And, as I said, he is engaging with that. Listen to the album.
>when they ignore that to follow their own banal "artistic goals" the entire world suffers.
No, it's when they sacrifice what made them icons in favor of sending a banal, tired message that they lose their influence, and the entire world suffers. Artists have a responsibility, but they also have radical individuality like the rest of us, and must face the ambiguity of the ethical consequences of their decisions. Kendrick would be in the wrong if he didn't take his responsibilities seriously, but a consequence of doing so is an awareness of the necessity of being authentic. It wouldn't make sense for him to tell kids to stay in school, because he didn't and was still successful. How does he exert a positive influence given all of this? If you listened you might find out.

"I remember you was conflicted
Misusing your influence
Sometimes I did the same
Abusing my power, full of resentment
Resentment that turned into a deep depression
Found myself screaming in the hotel room
I didn’t wanna self destruct
The evils of Lucy was all around me
So I went running for answers
Until I came home
But that didn’t stop survivor’s guilt
Going back and forth trying to convince myself the stripes I earned
Or maybe how A-1 my foundation was
But while my loved ones was fighting the continuous war back in the city, I was entering a new one
A war that was based on apartheid and discrimination
Made me wanna go back to the city and tell the homies what I learned
The word was respect
Just because you wore a different gang color than mine's
Doesn’t mean I can’t respect you as a black man
Forgetting all the pain and hurt we caused each other in these streets
If I respect you, we unify and stop the enemy from killing us
But I don’t know, I’m no mortal man, maybe I’m just another nigga”

Someone who actually has leadership experience, clergymen and politicians are two professions that come to mind. I don't think it's a coincidence that both MLK and Malcolm represented religious institutions and Obama cut his teeth as a community organizer. A good artist can make compelling art but they tend to be socially retarded and suffer from either an inflated ego or low self-esteem. Enacting actual change on the street-level takes more than sick rhymes and dope beats, it takes a lot of boring logistical work that a celebrity is not going to have time for. The one thing celebrities have going for them is that they can reach a lot of people but the problem is the artist is ultimately not in control of that, their label/distributor is. So if Kendrick were ever to go too far off the approved script, some Jew would just make a phone call and then one of the million other aspiring rappers would start getting put on magazine covers and hailed as the next big thing and the public would move on with our entertainment. Celebrities are ultimately
disposable and their ability to stay relevant depends on keeping people entertained so when they start pushing too hard for things that make people uncomfortable they get phased out and replaced. Celebrities are essentially neutered from enacting serious social change because they are owned by the industry that makes them famous by promoting them.

You're a fucking idiot if you think Kentucky is insightful.

Listen to Ill Mind of Hilsop 5 if you want a rap song that ACTUALLY criticises black degeneracy.

That's Ill Mind of Hopsin 5, sorry for all the typos. YouTube it.

Kinda funny how this dude raps just like Eminem.

>Someone who actually has leadership experience, clergymen and politicians are two professions that come to mind.

No kid is currently looking at them: as far as we know we won't ever get a cool politician/clergyman moral model for these communities. Still, there is already in place a tool that is currently used to polarize the youth of these communities, and very few people have the power to truly pursue independently a goal.
Kendrick is one of them, he is one of the few guys in the business who can just tell ''fuck off'' to everybody and still remain at the top of his fame. He is that relevan.
And being a ''social retard'' is not an excuse: after all in his early '20s Malcolm X was a even more deranged man than Kendrick, and he still managed to turn out as a great man through education and self-mastery. I don't see why someone like Kendrick could not do that, and I don't see why I should not expect it from a guy like him, considering that he has the intellect of make truly, mind-changing art. He is not a dummy, and he is obviously aware of his surrounding: there should be some expectation on his public figure.

Yeah, I noticed that too. Can't deny its the kind of thing that the other user was praising in Kendrick, except that in Hopsin it actually exists.

Eminem was also pretty insightful and able to ACTUALLY commit to putting him and his culture down in criticism, and continue and ongoing theme of rapping about how insane it is that they have so much attention, rather than just backdoor brag like Kendrick.

I guarantee you there are some genuinely charismatic people in those lines of work who people would follow if they were given the kind of exposure that celebrities get.

Also I think you're overestimating Kendrick's ability to stay relevant because at the end of the day the majority of his revenue is coming from suburban white kids who actually buy his albums and go to his shows and don't just torrent his stuff off datpiff or whatever. If pitchfork and all those other "tastemaker" brands were to rally around some other artist and started giving Kendrick negative press then all those insecure white kids who are into hip-hop because they want to feel cool will follow suit because their opinions are ultimately based off what the media tells them.

Kendrick seems like a smart guy but like I said before the nature of being a celebrity hamstrings any attempt to be anything more than a superficial activist.

I was with it till the Qu-ran.
The obvious problem is the pseudo-religion of liberal-capitalism. A return to an older religion isn't advisable or in the cards. Just like the polytheists had to let go.

>p-people don't have the same patrician taste as I am
>p-people don't have the same moral code as I am
>t-therefore, p-people sucks and I have the responsibility to enlighten them

Final question: why must you care though? Just enjoy your patrician taste. You are not the chosen saviour to do enlighten them. It's not your fault that people don't have the same taste as you.

Are you Jewish or stupid?

In a way, this flaunting of wealth found in rap music is harmless in comparison to other forms of media. Rap is too in-your-face, and they're usually just promoting some faux-expensive stuff.

Hopsin is garbage m8 and one of the worst rappers in existence.

Not an argument.

Did the man who invented college go to college? Hm ok then.

>look, an aphorism!
>*runs*