Patrician parenting

Hoho, you have no idea how fucking patrician we are dude. It's really the blood, after al.
I'm sorry, but Buffy is as patrician as pop culture gets. And teens need pop culture.
Re: homeschooling:
It was a personal decision in our family, after 2 years of schlepping to 4 different homeschool groups a week, and countless field trips & playdates, etc, etc, we decided that we wanted to put all of our energy in to one place & one social group of kids.
With a more ntroverted kid like I was, we would probably still be homeschooling.
As it is, the kid is thriving, and I believe we made the right choice.

>but Buffy is as patrician as pop culture gets
>teens need pop culture
>fucking patrician
>after al.
>democratic schooling & many other styles, a collective run by the teachers.
>he is hoping to take Latin for highschool... Which is not offered at the school,
Your grammar and spelling errors, the gutter language, the belief that a decent prep school makes you a 'priss', your belief that Waldorf or Montessori are in any way 'homeschooling', your attachment to Low Culture, and your belief that poorly-written Feminist agitprop is anything but trash does prove you get one thing correct -
Blood will tell.

>Oh noes, user said I wasn't patrician
>In this one thread
>whatever shall I do
Also "al" is clearly intended as "all", not a spelling or grammar mistake, but a typo.
I don't know what you are missing about education, but holistically educating head, heart and hands is the only way to raise a well balanced human being.

Give it a rest you fucking LARPer. You aren't part of some intellectual elite

OP, you seem like a really good father and I'm glad your kid is not a pleb. Ignore those mouthbreathers here, nothing wrong with a little bit of pop culture, they're probably mad they spend their teens watching animu and now have to run after the time they lost with retarded waifus.

>You aren't part of some intellectual elite
Good thing I never made any such claim, isn't it?
I am pointing out that OP is calling himself a member of the intellectual elite and then proving he isn't.
Interesting you can't figure that out

Get him into philosophy and logic. A background in logic and maths will transform any mind for the better.

>I don't know what you are missing about education
I am not missing anything about education.
I am pointing out that you have chosen sub-par education for your child and are bragging about it. This is ridiculous.

I am thinking about this: I imagine you are referring to the trivium... I'm not sure how to introduce this, but I'm hoping logic is a start.
The kid is really developmentally at that point right now: philosophy & logic very much on his mind.
So far Walden is the approach, and we are having great discussions based on our readings.
I am honestly not sure what will come next, bookwise: everything was very clear to me through the early years, but now I feel like his own interests are so much a part of his learning that we have to find the direction together.

>logic is a start
I meant Latin.

Your kid is gonna be a tool, I guarantee it.

>an amazing elementary school that was kind of a mix of democratic schooling & many other styles, a collective run by the teachers
>democratic

>implying that kids know jack shit about how to learn things in an efficient manner in the same way that teachers do
Utter pleb. You should brainwash him with fascism to make him complete again.

I believe in a developmentally based approach, and it is bearing out.
Mostly play and learning skills and stories and exploring the world in the earlier years: settling down to study around 12 or so.
The young man's intellect is opening up now, and maturely and richly.
I believe that forcing premature or precocious flowering of the intellect is detrimental to the overall health of the developing human.

There is a basic overall curriculum, with a nice splash of, "hey its a beautiful day, let's play tag on the field all morning",and lots of freedom for teachers to structure the study around the children's interests.
Perfect approach that leaves a kid relaxed & excited about learning.

>So, do I win Veeky Forums?
That depends. Is your offspring redpilled?

>14
>hasn't started to drive and go out on his own
>don't know what kind of career (if any) he'll end up with
don't count your chickens op

Nah you failed. I did 4 years of Latin before I turned 12.

Just make sure there's one thing that you won't let him give up on. Latin or an extracurricular activity or whatever. Something with measurable goals that he can do.

The point of educating the mind is not to make money, my dear, dear plebeian.

Cliched terms that are meaningless in context.
Here is what the statistics tell us. Because your child is going to public school compared to a child who is homeschooled he is
>20% less likely to graduate high school
>Be 22% less likely to be admitted to top colleges/universities
>have a college GPA on average 0.3 lower
>be 10% more likely to never finish college
>have a lower level of maturity, interpersonal communication, and overall ability to socialize
>Have lower 'daily living' skills
There is plenty more.
In short, if you were to put a fraction of the effort you placed in finding a 'coop school' into educating him yourself he would already be better educated and that would continue for the rest of his life.

>>have a lower level of maturity, interpersonal communication, and overall ability to socialize
You've never met someone who was homeschooled, have you?

I am in my 30s, and have met numerous home-schooled adults. They are, without question, all fuckups, except for one radiologist (who's parents had tutors for him, ie smart enough to understand their failings), for whom sitting in a dark room with pictures of bones fits his upbringing. The rest are a mix of religious kooks, autists, and individuals with no social grace or functionality in the workplace. One of my coworkers is homeschooling his daughter, which means she goes to auditions all day to become a child star. At 11. Another faked her boyfriends death at work to get a few weeks off, which was surprising as he came in looking for her. Another made sexual harassment claims everytime someone said a 4 letter word.

They are not patrician, and a great deal of them are spooked out of their mind. If you cant afford a decent parochial or prep school, you had better be crunching numbers on citydata demographic and standardized test numbers to maximize cost and educational outcomes. The faggot on here who is screaming about some causal connection between being "patrician" and homeschooling is either not a parent, or damaging their child beyond repair.

who said career = money?

t. delusional debt-slave

The Veeky Forums ideal is a NEET autodidact with a US Ivy degree living in a northern European welfare state who was homeschooled by Presbyterian dissenters who killed themselves, and who has liberated himself by the contradictory marriage of Atheism and pre Vatican Two Catholicism.

I am not concerned about the future career of a 14 year old child.
I'm sure once he is finished with his education, he will choose wisely.

Today I asked my 6 year old daughter if God loved her. When she said yes, I asked why are we born to suffer and die. I am raising my other daughter according to general parenting norms. I look forward to the outcomes.

>tfw my dad has another secret experimental family
>tfw still haven't found the control family

>here are statistics
Oh, I see your problem.
I'll stick with my real world experience, thanks.

I work with adults who were homeschooled every day.
They are well-educated, well-spoken, well-behaved. They ask good questions, need almost no supervision, and are highly motivated.
This is probably why Brown, Yale, Princeton, Harvard, and Penn State all actively recruit homeschoolers.
Admissions of homeschoolers to ivy leagues is twice that of kids from public or unaffiliated private schools.
>standardized test numbers
Homeschoolers are in the 87% percentile of standardized tests, well above any public or private school.
This is why you fail

Your experience is shit and you know it. Except if you yourself are homeschooled, in which case you are as broken as they are.

People like this 19-year-old Ivy-reject are going to shit on you op, but you sound like you're raising a great kid in a way that I wish my parents had done with me. Anyone putting this much attention and effort into teaching him will make him great.
Confirmed good dad.

>he will choose wisely
Do you not remember growing up and how people were at 14 vs how they ended up in their 20s?

He might be fine but he could end up a total fuck up too. It's ok to be optimistic for your kid but expectations can bite you in the ass. There's a lot of growing up that has to be done in between hitting your teens and going out into the real world on your own.

>fail
>succeed
>statistics
This is why you are, and forever will be, a plebeian, my petit bourgeouis.

>bourgeois
Fuck this phone

Well, obviously.
I do think that if the course is steered right from the beginning, it won't veer too far off course.
And maintaing a respectful & loving relationship through the teens is the next challenge.

>The faggot on here who is screaming about some causal connection between being "patrician" and homeschooling is either not a parent, or damaging their child beyond repair.
4 kids homeschooled
Oldest
>Fluent in Latin by age 12, in Attic Greek by age 14, read the Greek and Roman classics in their original language
>Perfect SAT scores and 99% percentile in ACT at 15; started college at 16; Associate in Science at 18; finished at Georgia Tech with a BE with all fees paid + $30k/year under apprentice engineer program from a railroad - at 19
>Engineer with a railroad making $52k at age 20, working on his master's (paid for) in his spare time
2nd son
>Fluent in French, Spanish, Italian, and Romanian by 15
>Started at Aquinas at 16; will graduate next year at 19. Will take the FSOP at 20 (when he is old enough to be eligible)
3rd son
>Linux professional certified at 14; certified as an engineer with 9 computer hardware/software manufacturers by 15; working as a sales engineer now, at 16, and making $30k/year salary. Part time.
4th son
>Latin and Greek fluency by age 12
>Has already identified 2 new species of spider and a new species of beetle as part of homework
>finished with HS at age 14, reading the Greeks in Greek while waiting to turn 16 and start university
Call up your local homeschool co-op, ask about their older students. What my kids are doing?
Not very unusual in the top 30% of homeschoolers. Hell, my oldest son's best pal has his Master's in Chemical Engineering and a job in China (he's fluent in Mandarin) making $160k/year at 21 years old.
>'my son's high school doesn't teach Latin, boo hoo'

LOL
Love this
>"Hey, you know that homeschool kids are more likely to graduate?"
>"Fuck off with your numbers and your facts"

>you are, and forever will be, a plebeian, my petit bourgeouis.

I hope you never introduce your son to this hellhole of a website

I'm and while every homeschooled kid I've ever met has been weird and extremely socially awkward, they were also all from single child families or had siblings much, much older or younger than them. I think if you have more of similar ages they'll learn better to socialise.

Not on either side, but holy shit dude.

>lying on the internet
or
>being over 40 and still getting into arguments with teenagers on Veeky Forums

Not sure which is sadder, honestly

Almost 70% of all homeschooling families have 3+ kids; less than 7% have only 1 child.
You are seeing outliers

Like I said - it isn't really that big a deal *inside homeschooling circles*
Are you one of the guys that thinks
>'I send my kid to public school and that make me patrician'
is NOT hilarious?

Maybe. That said, your kids are engineers, linux programmers or have fled to China where all the nice meek women are; not the best proponents of "socially apt".

You sound like a pretty good parent OP, ignore the autodidact homeschooling autism going on here.

1) Son three is a sales engineer - that means he is part of a sales team - at 16 he is in face-to-face sales.
2) Son 2 is going into the diplomatic corps to interact with people from all over the world.
3) The kid in China is my oldest son's *friend*.

>autodidact
>homeschooling
Vocabulary not your strong suit?
Let me guess - public school, Communications major?

Aye, I don't know you, your kids or their lives. I was just saying. I'm sure they'll be perfectly happy even if one or two of them don't fit into what some group consensus back home of what "socialised" is, it's not really important.

Sure, he sounds like a fine father.
Just not patrician. Maybe a little lazy.

Lol.
Hey, I'm not in this for the competition.
At the end of the day, if my kid ends up being a small time fisherman, or a history professor, or a guitar teacher, or a gardener, I don't care.
I think we are cultivating towards extremely different results, but no judgement here.
I am looking to grow a happy, healthy soul, and release it upon maturation.
I believe you are looking to raise successful workers.
The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive, but one is, I believe, more difficult, and also more satisfying.

>patrician
>parenting

Pick one.

>the kid

He's your wife's son, isn't he?

In the actual meaning of the word patrician, can't something like that only be inherited by high birth?

...

I'm happy for you and the kid, OP. You seem like a good father figure.

My kids all take over their own education between the ages of 12 and 14 and do as they wish, which is why the results are so varied.
>I am looking to grow a happy, healthy soul, and release it upon maturation.
Religious education? Church attendance? Philosophy education? Ethics?
No?
As someone who has been educating his own kids his own way for a long time I see a lot of what I call 'checkmark parents'.
These are parents that evaluate themselves as parents with how many check marks they put on a checklist
>"Was little Suzy reading at grade level this year? Yes?" check
>"Did little Billy finish all his homework on time? Yes?" check
And if they hit enough check marks they are Good Parents, which means they are Good People.
I made sure my kids could read, write, and do enough math to calculate compound interest and figure out how tall a tree is with a stick and a tape measure. I made sure they know what right and wrong were so the trolley problem isn't a problem.
Everything else was up to them.
Son #2 appeared to not be able to read. He just hated being asked about it. He was 10 before he was reading much. At 12 he took over his education. By 15 he was reading Don Quixote in Spanish. Son #3 likes computers and meeting people. He meets people to talk about computers. Everyone is happy.
My suggestion for you?
Ask more questions before you reach conclusions.

Our neighbors bought us that film as a Christmas gift the year it came out. The card read 'to the Tenenbaums'

It's a pretty good movie desu
Reminds me of JD Salinger.

Hey, I hear you man: we may be more similar than you think.
I do not look for checkmarks much at all... Although he makes excellent grades: I have been very clear that I do not care at all about tests & grades: I care that he learns & understands.

Why Romanian? Does it have anything to do with the former principal's influence?

He wanted to learn Romanian, so....

Sure, odd choice though. I'd like to hear more about it as the circumstances surrounding his choice are interesting to me, but can't get into it without disclosing personal details, so this isn't the place for it...

>So the kid is 14
>A well rounded kid
I notice you don't call him your son.
Is that because he's your wife's son?

>death philosophy
>patrician

Pick one

I've lost track of who's who in this dumb thread, but are you OP? If so, I find the sentiment of this post:
>I do not look for checkmarks much at all
is undermined by the initial question:
>So, do I win Veeky Forums?

It's pretty fucking sad looking for validation as a parent from fucking Veeky Forums, pal. By all means, be proud of the things your kid is good at, but don't seek your own validation in his achivements and present interests. My own kids do some things very very well and other things not so well. I appreciate that your goal is a balanced and healthy, thoughtful and responsible adult, but fuck off with your "do I win" bullshit.

Cioran strategically used pessimism as a coping mechanism in service of life.

EMC A few years ago, there was a friend of mine who told me that he'd
met a twenty-five-year-old engineer who wanted to meet me. Finally, I
said all right, we'll go stroll around the Luxembourg Gardens nearby. It
was a summer evening. We spoke about one thing and another, literature
and such, and finally he said to me, "Do you know why I wanted to meet
you? It's because I read your books, and I saw that you're interested in
suicide. I'd like to tell you about my case." And so he explained to me that
he had a good job, he earned a lot. He said, "In the last two or three
years, I've begun to be obsessed with suicide. I'm in the prime of life, and
this idea has taken hold of me. I haven't been able to get rid of it." We
talked for three hours about suicide, circling the Luxembourg Gardens. I
explained to him how I was-I am still-obsessed by it, I consider suicide
as the only solution, but, I told him, my theory is this: that suicide is the
only idea that allows man to live. Suicide gives me the idea that I can
leave this world when I want to, and that makes life bearable. Instead of
destroying it. So for three hours we discussed every aspect of this problem,
and then I suggested that we not see each other again, because there
wouldn't be any point.
JW In an encounter like that, have you had the feeling of saving him a little?
EMC Yes, a little. That's happened to me several times, with young
women particularly. I've always prevented them from committing suicide.
I've always tried to tell them that, since you can kill yourself anytime, you
should put it off. But you should not abandon this idea.
JW But you do feel a certain responsibility to such people.
EMC Yes, I can't avoid it. Because my theory of suicide is that one
shouldn't kill oneself, one should make use of this idea in order to put up
with life. So, it's something else, but they've attacked me, saying this
fellow makes the argument for suicide and doesn't do it himself. But I
haven't made such an argument. I say that we have only this recourse in
life, that the only consolation is that we can quit this life when we want
to. So, it's a positive idea. Christianity is guilty of leading a campaign
against this idea. One should say to people, "If you find life unbearable,
tell yourself, 'Well, I can give it up when I want to."' One should live by
way of this idea of suicide. It's in Syllogismes where I wrote that sentence:
"Without the idea of suicide, I would have killed myself from the start."

It's a good interview, the rest is worthwhile as well:

public.journals.yorku.ca/index.php/public/article/download/30276/27810

My fucking god, dude.
I am not competing with YOU, I am excited that my son is beginning to show his own interest in areas that I have not even mentioned to him.
I enjoy this Estonian egg-painting forum, so I came here to brag.
I have no idea why you take anonymous online conversation so very very personally, but you should have that looked at.

I don't take it personally, dude, but I'm not the one who came here to an anonymous Romanian cam board asking if I win because my kid wants to read Walden and I want him to match Veeky Forums's idea of being patrician.

I mentioned my own children so that I wouldn't be accused of judgment without having any of my own, to distinguish myself from the teenagers. I'm not boasting about them nor asking for Veeky Forums's validation. Your own insecurity is cause for concern, though. You should have that looked at.

You are both pathetic manchildren. Please exchange numbers so you can continue your lousy one-upmanship in private.

>Perfect approach that leaves a kid relaxed & excited about learning
Sounds like a marxist hell hole to me.

Because for the most part only weird autistic kids are homeschooled in my experience.

>sales engineer
"engineer"

>play Overwatch
automatic fail

Also if you push this kidtoo hard he'll become a transgender, drop out of his liberal arts school, and spend his twenties bumming around in Oregon.

Probably time for some tough love, make the kid get a job and struggle for something. He won't value things that come easily.

>He thinks homeschooling isn't child abuse
Have fun with your socially retarded, weird child

>Because your child is going to public school compared to a child who is homeschooled he is
>not controlling for the 25% of kids who come from goddawful homes
>not controlling for the intelligence of parents

/thread

>the kid

u mean ur wifes son?

for a second i thought you were trying to fuck him until i read 'parenting'

But you're not wrong.

>Thinking georgia tech is success

Unless his education is like Montaignes its not a patracian education.

That said well done OP you and your wife have done well so far. How do you plan on dealing with their rebellious teenage years?

Nice pederastic fantasy OP

intellect is secondary to proper socialization and that is the danger of montessori. No doubt a child must develop a keen mind but more crucially he must be a human being and needs to play and be around children his own age and be given the proper space to take risks and get hurt.

Godspeed user, these are only my thoughts, but I am convinced that a child that is properly socialized that can engage in play is most important

what's the point of the image?

He'll have read his Catullus by then.

probably: out of state tuition: 47k

Attending a public school made me socially retarded and weird.

I genuinely believe that certain experiences in a UK secondary school have turned me into an anti-natalist and a Pentii Linkola supporter. Children are fucking animals who must be domesticated. Trouble is by 12 years old, most of them aren't properly tamed yet. Public schooling is a daycare centre, and if you aren't lucky enough to be in the good boy classes then you're fucked.

Hahahahahahaha oh god these homeschooling weirdos are too funny

Don't do that shit to your kids, they've done nothing to deserve a ruined childhood besides being born unto you