Is becoming a doctor even worth it anymore?

medical school is hell psychologically and financially

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If you use your goddamn brain and get your degree cheaply abroad with no loans to pay off, it’s fine.

where "abroad" do you get a medicine degree for cheap?
and would it even be useful back in the US/Canada or whatever?

No they'd definitely make you retake it

>medical school is hell psychologically
Only if you're a weak bitch
>financially
That's why you get someone else to pay for it (MD-PhD)

>degree cheaply abroad
lol

By studying in China:
mbbs.cucas.edu.cn/mbbs_school.php
Tuition fees of only ca. 40,000 RMB per year and monthly living expenses of just $1,200 and you can live a comfortable life (if I remember right).

>mdphd

How the fuck do those work because to me it sounds like you'll get to be a doctor finally when you hit retiring age

>pay to save life of people in your country

Why America is so cucked ?

And almost all english devision medstudents here in poland are chinese. Really makes me think.

but you get to be called doc, isnt that enough?!

I got called "Doc" by the grunts when I was a combat medic in the army.
That was pretty cool.

I think MD PhD programs take 8 years to complete, not the worst commitment in the world

Is that just schooling? Because doctors depending on what they want still have to do a lot if bonus stuff just to get there even after MD.

How much of a braniac do you need to be to get into a MDPHD track? Sounds competitive as fuck.

Not OP

But yes, that's only for schooling 7-9 years depending how your PhD research goes. Afterwards you'll conduct a post doc position for another 2-3 years before obtaining a position anywhere.

Also to add,

To be even considered you should have at the very minimum a 3.5+, high MCAT scores, and research experience. I've known one or two people to actually do this and its only the brainiac amongst the brainiacs to get that far.

I think it typically goes 2 years of PhD work (classes, rotations, etc.) -> 4 years med school -> finish PhD dissertation

One of my friends majoring in chem at an R1 is applying for MD-PhD and it sounds brutal, I feel like a complete brainlet just applying for biomed PhD programs and he's looking at those as safety programs

>i could have completed a cs degree in less than 4 years and made 100k

remind why the fuck I did this
yes, pay later is better, but quality of life is shittier and it takes a long time to reap the benefits

Unrelated but
Man I gotta figure out how to do research
I'm math it's not like math faculty would work with some dumb math undergrad like me, and I can't snatch up a lab spot somewhere like the other sciences

From speaking to an MD-PhD
The first two years are med school. You'll take your Step One after this.
Then you being the PhD portion which is 4-5 years.
Where you'll take classes for the first year and the following years dedicated to research. You'll defend your dissertation at the end. It's just like doing a regular PhD.
Afterwards you finish your medical education for two years afterwards. Where you will complete your Step Two.

Afterwards you do your Post Doc or Residency. Whatever it is that you are interested in.

Shit dude, fuck that.

That has to be a pure ego thing . More power to those people

Damn I flipped it, that's still nuts to do

Fuck yeah it is nuts to do. You legit give up your 20s to purely academics. And won't make any real money until your early 30s.

Do you know if they financially support the PhD portion, both, or neither?

Not him, but both afaik. You can google this depending on the school.

>pay to peddle drugs to people

Is being in debt really that bad? I mean you get to make 300k eventually so what's 150k in loan would mean?

You'll end up in a shitty residency at best (because your chances of getting into a competitive one re:higher pay are next to none) and with a useless degree at worst with a foreign M.D.

for example: statnews.com/2016/11/28/residency-failed-to-match/comment-page-1/

The match eats IMGs and FMGs alive. It's bad enough for DOs.

> To be even considered you should have at the very minimum a 3.5+, high MCAT scores, and research experience.

Is this including a Masters in whatever you're specializing within? Or could it be done by just attaining a bachelor's in a relevant field?

Personally as a patient i usually only go to Doctors that have studied in my country because i really can't trust other countries educational system.
So keep in mind that a lot of people research first to see if their GP or specialist studied in at least a first world country.

I can't but gape in wonder at how much fucking bank US physicians make. You have surgeons making up to 3 millions or more from purely clinical work. But then I remember that you're literally destroying lives with bills in the hundreds of thousands delivering non evidence based medicine just to make the aforesaid bank (carotid endarterectomy for asymptomatic pts, for example). Your healthcare seems to be a great example of perverse incentives, if there ever was one.

Average salary of a general surgeon is about 400k, very few surgeons make upwards of 1mil, let alone 3

go to premed reddit if you actually are interested in pursuing medicine, don't trust any advice from this place