What are your thoughts on the nofap movement?

A good idea, but for the wrong reasons. Most people who join the nofap movement do so because they believe that it'll boost their confidence with women and raise their productivity. When the reason that it should be practiced is to gain/cultivate self-control. There's also nothing wrong with fapping every now and then; it's perfectly normal. There's only a problem with it if you're constantly consuming porn to the point where porn consumption and fapping interferes with your daily life and long-term goals/relationships.

>t. doctor in endocrinology who has done never-before-seen research in this topic, surely

Practicing self control does create confidence and productivity. I don't know if there's any actual physiological benefit but there is certainly a psychological benefit for people that jerk off everyday and are surprised in retrospect at the days they don't.

This. Discipline is severely underrated and even mocked in our current age

He'd probably speak about how its ironically the most masturbatory fixation imaginable. That secretly you have this burning tiger of a libido ready to be released on the world but only because of your own squandering of it does it get repressed.
Rather than acknowledging libido as a socially constituted drive

I have sex pretty much every other day, but when we cant for some reason I crank a wank so I dont blow my load in like 45 seconds next time we do.
When I was a pimply virgin I used to fap three times a day, probably better to not do that I guess.
The real problem is porn.

>There's only a problem with it if you're constantly consuming porn to the point where porn consumption and fapping interferes with your daily life and long-term goals/relationships.

But the problem with nofap to cure this is that sex addiction is pretty much always the side-product of mental health issues, most usually depression. Simply not masturbating isn't going to solve your core issues. If you really think you fap too much, you're much better off trying to overall improve your mental health than just not masturbating.

>practicing self control does create confidence and productivity
You're not wrong, but it doesn't address the underlying issues that cause them to not be confident and productive in the first place. A social-autist isn't going to become a charming chad just because he stopped fapping for half a year.

Also, saged because this thread has absolutely nothing to do with literature. And I'm tired of seeing crossboard posting on Veeky Forums

>if you really think you fap too much
>don't worry about it

No do worry about it. If you think you're jerking off too much you probably are. Probably way too much. It's not ok to masturbate compulsively. It is ok to masturbate. It can be both a symptom and a cause of depression, like most obsessive behaviors. Don't downplay it as a non issue though because it's certainly a problem with young men.

When did I say not to worry about it?

you should masturbate precisely as often as you mean to

if you do it five times a day, that's fine. not at all, that's fine too. there's no frequency with which you should or should not masturbate.

this all or nothing mentality is a means to give yourself the perception of control over an event that's ultimately outside of your control. essentially you are saying "i cannot rid myself of this evil, but i can stop myself from giving in to it." until the end of time it will continue to be an evil, whether you are with it or without it. attackers always threaten beyond the gates. pray that your defenses don't fail or it will all be for nothing!

I expect a man to eat a meal before he works for the day. Dealing with the manifestations of your depression will help to deal with it as a part of your life. Masturbation is a VERY common issue that people don't deal with and they're not happy with it. Also I don't know why this is on Veeky Forums either.

I hate this medicalization of depression. What if the real answer is life is simply pointless so you may as well just jack off until your dick starts losing skin for all else there is out there

>you're much better off trying to...

You don't know that. I know clinically that many men are happier masturbating LESS because it's an exercise in self control. It's a manifestation of conscious control over simple hypothalamic demands.

They have healthier diets, exercise more, have better relationships in their life and are often much more productive. I don't disagree most of it is pseudoscience especially as an ultimatum to never masturbate. That isn't really the spirit of the whole nofap though. It's to get you to stop jerking off daily.

If that makes you happy but it won't. Not in a complete sense of your life.

I would agree life is pointless in the complete context of the universe but you're not actually concerned about that in your immediate life in a sincere sense.

>They have healthier diets, exercise more, have better relationships in their life and are often much more productive.

And you think this is BECAUSE of nofap and not the other way around, that healthy diet and exercise means they're generally happier and don't need to fap to fill the void?

It's a sin to masturbate.

I actually think it's precisely as you say. Not masturbating compulsively is just a great place to start for any guy : ^ ). People feel GOOD when they do things that no one else can take credit for. They realize their worth. This is just another exercise in realizing self worth in my view.

I masturbate but I set a rule not to do so more than once a week. Mostly because it makes my loads huge and women love that.

>you're not actually concerned about that in your immediate life in a sincere sense.

And who gives a shit if your monkey brain isn't capable of emotionally processing what is evident to reason. If its all pointless then your only commitment will logically be minimization of pain, masturbating constantly is the highest means to that.

I did nofap for three weeks and felt no improvement at alll.

Longest I've gone was 1 month and relapsed over some stupid shit, but in that month I only felt having more energy, which was nice for a change to not feel tired and dead all the time.

They say you have to go 90 days for a full body reset but at today's flow of live its going to be a real challenge even for the strongest out there.

>for a full body reset

Reset of what?

your body, so you clean yourself from all the porn degeneracy and other problems that it causes both mental and physical.

Only then real benefits kick in and you begin to ascend monk mode.

your vital force, obviously.

You're talking like those dumb bitches that believe in "detox" snakeoil schemes. What specifically about your body is being "reset"?

what happens if you come into contact with pornography after the 90 days?

is your soul tainted again?

I don't freaking know I told you I've only gone for 1 month and all the rest is what I've read about it.

Go to their site and do research.

>There's only a problem with it if you're constantly consuming porn to the point where porn consumption and fapping interferes with your daily life and long-term goals/relationships.

Not if you make porn your daily life!

I STILL DREAM
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>superstition

only if you end up fapping.

the facebook frog

youtube.com/watch?v=vKgaLu3y-QA

At the beginning of the 18th century, masturbation suddenly became a topic of intense reflection. In the Enlightenment Encyclopedia it is described as the new disease of a wounded conscience and a heinous sin. Surprisingly, the Christian Church was not responsible. It had, until then, never regarded masturbation as anything other than a marginal problem for adult men (and especially monks).

The people responsible for making masturbation a sin were economists, who worried about the consequences of masturbation for productivity in an economy that depended on the endless desire for more. The condemnation of masturbation spread, and in no time, doctors were making scientific claims to prove the dangers of masturbation, while priests made it their new obsession.

I like to live a life free of crutches. I don't drink, smoke, no caffeine or junk food, and I used porn and masturbation as a means to feel happier so I quit both of them.

It's total broscience probably, yet my logic is if you use porn to relieve your sexual urges you'll naturally be less likely to try and find a girl to do it for you. If porn isn't an option in your mind, when you feel horny you'll have to do something else about it, I.e. Text a girl, make a tinder, go outside, ya know.

Works for me, literally don't care if it's a placebo

Not sure if bait but obviously not true.

Why do religions have these doctrines? Because they make you happier in the long term. Yes, there is no real reason to hold off until marriage to have sex etc, but ultimately if we lived by the ways of the bible our lives would be easier and less depressed.

and sucking taint

religions have that doctrine because ppl who fap arent making babies which expand the power of the church, they don't care about you, the pope is a radical egoist, you should be too, read stirner, faggot

Since age like 13, I have not gone a week without fapping at least 5 times, with an average of 14 times a week.

I wanna do nofap just because i'm fucking curious as to how it would affect me. The world would be so alien, I could placebo myself into anything.

if u don't fap ur just gonna end up blasting off nuts in ur sleep unless ur some kinda super low t queer those no fap night nuts are better than sex tho t b h maybe thats what all this no fap shit is really about. makes u wonder

>sex before marriage
>living according to the bible

Pick one.

>according to the bible
Found the protestant

reset of libido, there is an alleged initial spike after about 7 days, followed by a dip, and then a slow climb until about 100 days when libido and energy levels stabilize

That may be one part of why churches have that doctrine, but why did that religion become so predominant in the first place? Because it made its members happier than they were before they joined, through a feeling of security. And not fapping helps with that security, just like not drinking or smoking weed. Those things all seem great and healthy, but they are all risky, and life without them is much more under your control and comfortable, ultimately. Pleasure doesn't lead to happiness.

Yes.

I am saying, there is nothing wrong with the former, but it will make you less happy because your life will be less secure and the pleasure will shake your boat.

The latter is not actually ethically superior or anything, but the reason that lifestyle exists is that it ultimately makes you happier, even though intuitively it looks like it wouldn't.

I was baptized as a Protestant but to be honest I'm not really religious anymore. Ironically enough I was thinking of trying going to a Catholic church.

Nofap is only as beneficial to someone as they are addicted to masturbation. Any "superpower" claimed from going nofap is just a sign that you're starting to behave like a human being that is not addicted to masturbation.

If you masturbate a lot and usually look at porn while doing so, your brain starts to expect stimulation and an orgasm soon after seeing an attractive woman. This mental reflex isn't helpful when that cute girl in your class sits next to you.

Deprogramming that reflex from your brain isn't a "superpower". It's just becoming normal. It'd be like someone quitting cigarettes feeling as if they have superhuman lung capacity now.

>If you masturbate a lot and usually look at porn while doing so, your brain starts to expect stimulation and an orgasm

Can you cite an actual scientific paper to support this claim?

posting a picture of zizek does not make this thread Veeky Forums

It's operant conditioning.

yes, it is rather the lack of deletion by the moderation

>>Can you cite an actual scientific paper to support this claim?
can you proove that there is any relevance for a 'scientific paper'' to prove anything?

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>lmao watching objectifying hyperreal garbage twice every day for 10 years will do nothing to my brain
idiots

Which is too bad because psychoanalysis has plenty to say about jouissance returning to invest something else other than sex, sometimes even abstinence. Both Lacan (and thus Zizek) and Deleuze & Guattari among many others (including Nietzsche) speak at length about masturbation, but Veeky Forums prefers to spew the same old /r9k/ truisms to attain self-satisfaction instead. Makes you wonder if there is an intellectual nofap as well.

>>lmao watching objectifying hyperreal garbage twice every day for 10 years will do nothing to my brain
>idiots

Literally every experience does "something" to your brain, the question is why we should give a shit

If it's not something you care about, then you shouldn't. But, if you feel like a particular repeated behavior has created patterns in your brain that make higher priority goals more difficult to achieve, then that is considered a bad habit and you should look at how to stop.

Doing NoFap turned my life around

Sure but thats predicated on a slew of other assumptions. The most important of which is that the effort is actually worth the reward or whether your efforts and will would be best directed elsewhere

Abstinence is fine and good. Indulgence might be too. I have no prejudice against either since I really don't know enough. What I have against NoFap is not it's encouragement for not fapping, but all the pitfalls that come along with being a mass movement comprised of vulnerable young men. If you want not to masturbate, do it and maybe even consult the NoFap guides or community a bit, but stay as detached as possible and don't let it become part of your identity or compromise the individuality of your actions.

10 days in

yourbrainonporn.com/reboot_your_brain

You should only mastrubate with lady vaginas. Porn should be burned.

Kek

The only thing, and I mean the only thing,
no-fap could ever do for you is help you with impulse control and, if you are a prolific fapper spending a huge amount of time fapping, save you some time for other things. All this shit about increased testosterone levels, better skin, clearer thoughts etc touted by the no-fappers are just that,shit.

>What I have against NoFap is not it's encouragement for not fapping, but all the pitfalls that come along with being a mass movement comprised of vulnerable young men.

This is exactly it. The biggest problem is with this impulse guys have to make any act THE solution instead of a simple practice they see as beneficial.
It either must solve all their life problems or its just a waste of time not worthy of consideration

As understood by neckbeards on the internet. . .If you have a hard time suppressing the urge to masturbate in public, in a university lecture hall of all places, then you're seriously fucked in the head and should probably be in an institution.

Well if this phenomenon is as dangerous and as universal as some would suggest, surely there would be some evidence in, say, a medical journal.

That's not going to happen though, because these guys mostly meet on reddit subforums where any questioning of the narrative is quickly suppressed.

"porn addiction" leads to 700 results on google scholar and is talked about in the media often.
It obviously exists to some extent so if you're asking for evidence you would first have to state what sort of evidence it is you're looking for.

Evidence that it alters your view of women or affects "motivation." Alcohol is addictive, yet most people don't become alcoholics.

I don't even watch porn very often, I just think the "nofap" movement is stupid. Like if you want to feel motivated and improve your mood, why not get some exercise? Why not eat a healthier diet? Why join a bizarre online cult?

>Evidence that it alters your view of women or affects "motivation."

To what extent? Surely every experience does to some degree

Everyone who says it's placebo doesn't know what they're talking about, masturbating (to porn) daily decreases the enjoyment you get from everything else, it's an addiction. Masturbation itself isn't the problem, porn is, but without porn I'm sure that nobody would be masturbating daily.

yourbrainonporn.com

Why would he think that libido is socially constituted ? (or why would you ?)

Yeah that's bullshit.
I generally agree with the NoFap thing but this implies that libido and "energy levels" can be quantified.

it's called testosterone, you might have heard of it

Masturbation releases high levels of cortisol. Cortisol transforms testosterone into dihydrotestosterone, which is 10x more powerful. Dihydrotestosterone is released through the heat on the top of your head, but because of its strength, clogs and inflames the hair follicles, leading leads to hair loss and baldness.

Stop fapping if you want your hair back.

I unironically thought about myself as asexual before nofap.
It really helps. Don't know about "superpowers" though

It's annoying because I get past the worst of it (5 days in or so) and get to 1-2 weeks when I have a wet dream, which annoys the fuck out of me and makes me ruin my streak.

Does masturbation make your skin worse? Whenever I've gone without for a while I haven't noticed a difference, and I'd be sure to commit more if I knew it made it better because I look awful

wet dreams are fine

Not a scientific paper, but my fucking life desu