What's his name again?

I'm surprised you haven't been banned yet, but I'm enjoying your unique take on views in a multitude of threads.

He started as a Marxist, switched to studying "cybernetic culture", took a huge amount of meth, and now thinks a bunch of autonomous city-states would be a good idea. Also thinks a combination of accelerating capitalism and AI developments will bring about some sort of malevolent posthuman god called Gnon. Big Sinophile.

See I think you were trying to put me off writing that but if anything I'm more interested.

>See I think you were trying to put me off
Wouldn't dream of it. I don't really agree with him on much, but he's a fascinating character - would recommend trying the fiction stories Phyl Undhu and Chasm, which express some of his ideas in a more digestible horror-story form before taking the plunge on Fanged Noumena, though. The prose on his essays can be pretty impenetrable in places.

I've developed strange mixed feeling about Marxian ideas, and I haven't worked it all out yet. I believe in natural hierarchies, and despise the egalitarian conceit of Marxists, but I think Marxism persists, despite have no surviving predictive capacity, because modernity cannot be undone. There's not going back, and people all perceive the impossibility of arranging human civilization on immaterial precepts ever again.

Marxism doesn't offer a viable solution, but it has still right about the problem of modernity. Why the fuck did Nietzsche have to die before finishing his work?

what the fuck was going on with phyl-undhu. It seemed so disjointed. If the second half in the sim was the whole story I might have enjoyed it more but I felt like there was a puzzle I was supposed to put together but didn't. I assume the sim was the great filter? Was it an accurate sim of the future? Is it somehow connected to the AI-God/Land's self-insert? Why did it end so abruptly?

To be clear, he's no longer a Marxist - he seems to think the human species as we know it is essentially finished, with no point in anything but accelerationism.

Oh, I know he's not a Marxist, but I actual think his early Marxism positively informed his view of humanity. Imagine stripping Marxism of it's blank slate humanity, an dialectical materialism. Yes, it'd no longer Marxism, but you still have a modernist sensibility that sees the the inability of immaterially defined moral imperatives to shape civilization after the Death of God. Maybe the answer is to allow the evolution Burko-Darwinian social systems that can take the place of our current civilization, but I fear that is going to require of few more decades of post-modern pseudochristian Progressive society that will probably result in millions dead, and considerable dysgenic population trends before it exhausts itself like a last gasp of the old moral order of the west from which it descends.

Maybe Land's Sinophilia comes from admiring a society that was never built on monotheistic certainties, and that thus seems to require fewer convulsions and cultural spasms to fit itself into modernity.

Maybe the west was destined to die.

This is the uncomfortable shit that Land forces me to think about.

The West is a big Jesus, and its civilization is a form that is to become 'completed' for the post-formal, post-inform to function properly. Art has been doing it since the Renaissance. It's literally our destiny; a hyperstition from the Italian city states through to the final realization of the Hegelian project. The Situationists knew. We embody the image of sin so we can be judged by ourselves on the cross, and when we are killed and buried by the flesh that has defined us since the fall of the first man, we can rise again to complete the redemption of all humanity. Letting that flesh go is the hard part.

NRx = Veeky Forums reads Hobbes and Classical Chinese and Continental Philosophy, goes as well as expected

Are there any writers who have described this explicitly? I still only have a fuzzy peripheral sense of what's actually going on.

nick lard

>A revolutionary war against a modern metropolitan state can only be fought in hell.

Does he mean that the Trump/Brexit phenomenons are essentially futile or will only succeed through mass violence? He seems to have praised these developments on twitter, even if he seems to regard Trump as a useful idiot

The funny thing is that realizing the supremacy of Ancient Greek-style City States/polis is one of the final pills.

Fukuyama's End of History and Our Posthuman Future

it is the problem of how can the mind know itself when it is what is used to gain knowledge problem in the societal scale. there doesn't actually seem to be a way out to rejuvenate cultural values from a culture of narcissism.

mass violence is the sword of Alexander cutting the gordion knot, the existential struggle of different ideologies will result in a civilization of some other order, but it will be authentic: action precedes meaning.

you will always get conquered by the Romans or barbarian tribes.

Prussian pill is the final solution

But if the entire world were city states, then would any of them have the strength to dominate others? It would be Perfect Competition

"If."

is it true that he was fired ? Some mentioned this on XS. Will he be expelled by Shanghai then ?
I mean it would be in accordance with his ideology.

Me and Nick land are among the few individuals to fully understand the implications of Deleuzean thought and achieve the BwO. It is no coincidence that we both went insane soon after. Six visits to the psych ward later after deterritorializing myself with hardcore psychedelics, I have now returned to the fold of Platonism. The ethics of difference, it would seem, end only in a padded cell or a coffin. For my mother's sake, I now adhere to virtue ethics. Kinda miss fucking bipolar scene sluts but then again that's probably how I ended up with HPV. I only hope my future wife can forgive me my immature philosophical infatuation.

City states eventually always formed empires.
It happened to Sumer, happened to the ancient Greco-Roman civilization and happened to the West too.

Hey can you upload an ebook / pdf / epub of Nick Land's Chasm?

Thanks!

Or if anyone else has it?

Are you LARPing? You've written this in nearly the exact same way before.

But anyways I kind of agree that Deleuzian thought is limited and obviously not really good for a person. And yes, Land is definitely actually following through on its logic. Deleuzian thought if actually followed through on is not this nice thing that cares about anything or anyone, it absolutely everything asunder, including of course any kind of politics of equality or charity.

Major Richard "Dick" Winters of the Easy Company

he's probably drawing his LARPing material from this :
technoccult.net/archives/2013/09/10/nick-land-an-experiment-in-inhumanism/

libgen.io/foreignfiction/ads.php?md5=6239622ce97746b44c0b7273d900579f

Gnon is not a posthuman god. It's the teleology of nature

He also believes that humanity will be obliberated by Shodan, Skynet and GLAdos

more like Nick Outlandish

he's Cold

Rick Sea.

/Our guy/.

Damien Lewis?

Yeah, let's engage in endless pointless warfare and deforest our hills while we do it. And let's have an endless succession of political systems with some bloody revolts and exiles for everyone who doesn't agree at a random moment.

For anyone more intelligent than me, who is interested in hearing about Nick Lands lectures: I have found some unlisted YT links, containing threee of Nick Lands complete lectures:

youtube.com/user/mshazeyjaney
This is the guy who uploaded it. In the "playlist" ribbon click the arrow at the right and you find this:

Qwernomics: Path Dependency & Semiotic Fatality Session I
youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPs4TRYh1Unpf9t5BgA_6VHr-Oyw2Cy8m

Nick Land - Bitcoin and Philosophy
youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPs4TRYh1Unr-_knTP9pf84eT698qCj-I

Nick Land - Outer Edges
youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPs4TRYh1Unq8xFETda6BHxbQeps-uTtO

thanks
here something quite old now but nonetheless still interesting
A Brief History of Geotrauma or: The Invention of Negarestani
youtube.com/watch?v=19V6wDujWyQ

What's the relationship between Land and Reza? Friends, rivals, bit of both?

theoretical relations in the 90s in Warwick and CCRU
e-flux.com/journal/46/60063/escape-velocities/
ccru.net/syzygy.htm

balding ted bundy?

how did I never find this via google?

How many young Deleuzians has he created though?? Give the man some credit.

Nick Sea

Can an uncultured brainlet into Nick Land? Or should I just keep playing video games?

As long as you

>Start_with_the_greeks.webm

There is nothing you can't get a grasp on really. But playing video games would be the accelerationist thing to do, by all means don't stop.

How can I fully live the accelerationist life style? I want everything I do to help promote accelerationism. Would buying literally everything off of Amazon be a good thing to do?

wew, he's certainly better at writing than lecturing. It takes him a while to get rolling, you have to sit through 5 minutes of "In this course, we will be looking at two different things... and I won't be discussing what we discussed last session any more than I need to.... Now last session, and I apologize for repeating this, we talked about modernity and its key inventions, we could actually consume the entire course in this subject, but I'm only going to...."

Kind of a far cry from the stories of his lectures at warwick.

There are specific mechanisms in society that increase power hierarchies and enable things like state escalation to exist, if we are to ever curtail their formation it would require dispersed and concurrent anti-authoritarian egregores

accelerationism is pretty Marxist though, it still maintains a notion of development in a holistic historical context: capitalism sets the preconditions for communism, not socialist/fascist attempts at curtailing its negative effects through formalist state regulation.

I like this take

He's not a Marxist though

This is from fanged noumena, it's got some strong marxist overtones- exploitation, capitalism as unsustainable, etc.

Of course, he's absolutely right. And while Land isn't a Marxist, neither are the rest of the post-structuralists that the frog posters like to accuse of marxism.

So I say we continue to spread the idea that Land is a Marxist, if only to confused the froggos

shh

He fucking detests Marxists and leftists. Even in his earlier days a big thing with him was his antagonism not only towards smug complacent leftist thought and leftist Deleuzianism even but towards post-structuralists.

Read I can't imagine many Froggos appreciating this kind of thinking. Nick Land isn't a typical leftist, but he's certainly not the right-wing reactionary many make him out to be.

He's not a Marxist in the sense of someone who supports Marxism, certainly, but he does derive a lot from it...and which Conty doesn't anyways. Like it or not, Marx was a filthy bookworm and writing-a-lot was his third name, he's basically the ultimate meme bomb of non-analytical philosophy.

Thing is, the alt-righties believe society can still be salvaged as is and seek some kind of return to older values. Dark Enlightment does not propose that at all, and Nick's Leviathan is much more of an accelerationist type, taking Capitalism on its back right to the bitter end. That's not properly Marxist, but as you said, the alt-right as /pol/ and mainstream populists portray it certainly would not enjoy the actual Neo-reactionary movement.

Nick "Underageb&" Land

So what is the purpose of this? Let's say accelerationism succeeds in whatever it does and then we arrive - where exactly?
Paradise?
Or restarting the cycle to try again better this time?

>but he's certainly not the right-wing reactionary many make him out to be

Not right-wing in a simplistic, ordinary way, but he's extremely reactionary and even regularly posts up stuff about race and IQ.

Similarly to myself he has no problem taking what he likes from any side, so there's a bit of Deleuze in there and there's some Moldbug in there. Honestly I just like to read all the far out shit I can find so I'll read him, but personally I think Land is beyond the pale morals-wise. He basically just wants technology and capitalism to take over and eventually replace humanity, and not for any supposed ecological or 'progressive' reasons, but just because he's fucking weird and cold. He also thinks that high IQ elites should and will close themselves away in fortress enclaves while the lower IQ people (non-whites and non-asians) are left to their own devices and to starve. He underestimates the how central charity is to western values of course, but obviously things are going to be quite bad in the coming decades. Any retarded modernist / Enlightenment dreams of "progress" in any egalitarian sense are fucking done forever.

There is no telos because nobody knows.

For example, the way genetic engineering can redesign our very species is unprecedented. There are no great philosophical or religious texts that we can turn to in order to interpret such innovations, and derive practical advice from.

Even popsci guys like Michio Kaku will tell you that technology waits for no one, and doesn't ask for permission to intrude into our lives and change everything.

Land does have a vision for what he believes will or should happen, but it's nothing pretty, see:

Nick Land quotes:
goodreads.com/author/quotes/198384.Nick_Land

Can you stop brigading /r/fullcommunism. You have probably talked to reactionaries here for years, that appreciate the same things as you. Also Land himself states that he wants to be known as an anti-progressive.

He looks like a pedo who found his purpose

Ted Bundy?

>“The great educational value of the war against Christendom lies in the absolute truthlessness of the priest. Such purity is rare enough. The 'man of God' is entirely incapable of honesty, and only arises at the point where truth is defaced beyond all legibility. Lies are his entire metabolism, the air he breathes, his bread and his wine. He cannot comment upon the weather without a secret agenda of deceit. No word, gesture, or perception is slight enough to escape his extravagant reflex of falsification, and of the lies in circulation he will instinctively seize on the grossest, the most obscene and oppressive travesty. Any proposition passing the lips of a priest is necessarily totally false, excepting only insidiouses whose message is momentarily misunderstood. It is impossible to deny him without discovering some buried fragment or reality.”
>― Nick Land, Fanged Noumena: Collected Writings, 1987-2007
Is this all supposed to represent the height of his work? Seems evenly split between trivial claims dressed up with an air of profundity, and undisciplined edginess.

Honestly, if people like him stayed out of politics and just got into writing sci-fi or video game storylines the world would be a better place.

i'm just as puzzled by Moldbug. Are they today's "if My Twisted World was published as fiction, it'd be the next literary classic"?

they'd be entertaining for sure.
>muh twisted world
trashy comedy fiction maybe.

Nick "dumb and bland" Land.

Holy shit, Nick Land is a /b/-edgelord become academic:

"There is only one sane and healthy relation to Christianity; perfect indifference. Mine is not of that kind. My detestation for the Christian faith exhaustst my being, and more. I long for its God to exist, in order to slake myself as violence upon him. If there are torments coming to me, I want them; all of them; God experimenting in cruelty upon me. I want no lethargy in Hell, rather vigour and imagination. Oh yes, it is all very wretched, and if I am grateful to Christianity it is for one thing alone; it has tought me how to HATE.
[..]
I have not been a theist for a single second of my life. In my first assemblies at primary school, when the theist idiocy was first wheeled out, I remember thinking: it is natural that adults should lie to you, but is it really necessary for them to insult the intelligence quite this much? As for the longing to believe, nothing could be more alien to me, because nothing is more obvious than the fact that humanity--far from being a creation-- is a disease. Why should the absence of a divinity analogical to mankind be more disturbing than the absence of a giant tortoise supporting the world on its back?

>guy who hates people promotes anti-human philosophy
what's new

He is to Veeky Forums what Hitler is to /pol/.

...

Yes.

Only support corporations. Buy new when you can. Don't recycle.

Stay on the newest tech. Invest in digital services. Get into VR and sheit.

Éire aka Mick Land

>he's extremely reactionary
Not in any conventional meaning of the word by any means.

This is a guy who ejaculates to the ending of Ex Machina.

Just read the rest of post, sorry for premature reactoration, going fast

love him for that. All the butthurt christcucks on the right with their bloody jewish zombie.
Even though he embraced now Gnon,

He's so intensely autistic and edgy that I guess this is the only reason Dark Enlightnment never caught up on mainstream philosophy. It's actually surprising how much scrutiny it endures from the other speculative (and also much less edgy) philosophers like Brassier.

I guess people are going by the Dark Enlightnment chart like it or not with all the genetic engineering and advanced AI research going into the heart of our biggest companies. But god is he edgy, can't wait for someone more down to earth to buy into his ideas and make something out of it. Kinda reminds me of how so-so Lovecraft's writing was but his mythos was that much good we could all endure it anyway and let it become a staple of horror.

Christurdnity eternally BTFO

Brassier is a fucking basket case deluxe:

youtube.com/watch?v=l7hIYasErHc

>god
*GNoN

unironic edge need to come back

He's right.

>pic
Are you sure he was without irony?

Geez, guess I just give up and go full darky edgelord from the shadows? I confess to only have known the guy through his writings. I guess the Capital turned everyone into either nutjobs or brainlets.

Someone post the popcorn tweet.

Partake in as much market research surveys as you can, give your contact data to market research institutes.

His 'Outsideness' twitter description is a motto to live by: "Coldness be my god".
We live in time of extreme social coldness and it will get worse. Everyone fights for himself, it is "swim or drown!". The faster you get used to it, the better. The more we become like machines and act less based on emotion, the fitter we'll be in the future.

I wish my trilby can be tipped this hard

because no one can. its that simple. lots of blogs that dont even come close, but they share your view on literary edginess in general.

In his book on Bataille (Thirst for Annihilation) he wrote the best nihilistic phrase ever :
"Life appears as a pause on the energy path; as a precarious stabilization and
complication of solar decay"