Kill All Normies by Angela Nagle

this post is non sequitur and out of place enough that i could see this being angela nagle

it would seem possible that she represents a new, serious interest in the topics of conversation that have been taken for granted as unrepresentable in standard media. Not unlike all the buzz of that Red Pill movie going around

Veeky Forums (and online culture in general) is inherently indescribable. Even regulars that have spent the majority of the last 10 years here are incapable of keeping up with all the meme dialectics, falseflags, and the general sentiment regarding any specific topic. There's no narrative to be told, only progressively more uninformed points of view

this, pretty much. Makes for some pretty good avant-garde bullshit like TLoTiaT and other similar New Insincerity crap. The whole "meme jihad" of the past 6 months or so and how beautifully misunderstood it's been, with Pepe and now Kek being flagged as 'hate speech' is another great example

>actually uses the site daily

s-so?

There is simply no discussion to be had on Veeky Forums "culture", sure you can go and describe and explain all the memes, but that's not even the point of the entire website. People don't browse Veeky Forums for the "dank memes" like they browse reddit, tumblr or twitter, that description can maybe describe your typical 14 years old that browses /b/, but not much else. You can already see how misinformed the author of the book is, using "kill all normies" and a frog, while the majority of people on Veeky Forums are already starting to denounce Pepe and especially the word "normie", nobody that has used Veeky Forums for a long time really uses "normie" anymore, it's either normalfag or a different abbreviation of it, simply because the majority of people outside of Veeky Forums are starting to use normie ironically and unironically in their speech, and people on Veeky Forums simply don't want to associate with this type of people.

If the book delves into /pol/ "culture", which it most likely will, then what is there discuss? Why people call Canadians "A fucking leaf" or why sudacas shitpost Peruvians with "el PeruANO", why Australians are despised but loved as well? The entire board is simply many different people with many opinions sharing their opinions on what is happening in the world, sure a lot of them are right wing, natsocs or something else, but what the hell is there to describe? "pol is a website where many nazis and right wing people go to discuss modern day politics" is pretty much the only honest description you can make without delving too far into describing memes.

The entire book will be either a ridiculous rant about the alt-right culture (which isn't even Veeky Forums or /pol/ culture, but rather a red wing culture from reddit) or just an article about (alt) right wing culture in general, which again, doesn't even really apply to Veeky Forums, and why not make just a book about the (alt) right in general?

Oh, can't wait to read some leftist try to explain Veeky Forums for us.

All leftists ever do is attempt to frame everything in their narrative's favor. There will be no real insight or understanding.

this is pretty much valid - culture arises from expression, but in an anonymous setting where discussion is virtually erased after running its course, no culture can arise aside from the memetic twisted recall of individuals

I feel like understanding Veeky Forums is a mindset. You would have to be on this site for years, probably like several years if not a decade. And it requires a certain temperment, one that prefers the anonymity and low moderation and lack of points/karma, to really understand why people use this website and what its about. Every time I read a write-up about Veeky Forums it seems hopelessly disconnected.

its pretty comprehensible off the bat. I've been here for several terrible years and am approximately 90% less interested in it than I was when I was 15.

But all the words in the title are capitalized.

>implying you read books
>implying you don't spend all of your time shouting at strawmen on the internet

Shit, same here. Tbh I don't even know why I frequent this site anymore. I used to fuck with it 24/7 back in hs, but now I feel like I only come for the nostalgia factor. A testament to my not wanting to grow up. Man, fuck this place...

This website is just an indefinitely long Stand on Zanzibar sequel. I need to get out.

>her article about the same subject

link please?

zero-books.net/blogs/zero/zero-squared-90-from-Veeky Forums-to-the-white-house/

i'm old as shit and have yet to find a better place to talk about literature that isn't uptight as fuck, it's nice to be able to blast of snarky opinions without getting attacked, sometimes i don't even fully believe the opinions that i blast off, i just feel like it's important to be contrary and get that shit off your mind, you have to keep some logically consistent systemic worldview held together irl it's nice to just come on here and each topic is atomic and can be viewed individually and not part of some grand narrative, it's pomo as fuck t b h, deal with it sincerityfags

>red pill movie
what the fuck

youtube.com/watch?v=8T3qoBjzRMs

here you go

it's a thing, google it
the term "red pill" is used pretty erroneously (or, in a very limited sense) to refer to MRA/MGTOW ideas, or general anti-feminism

lol @ boxxy being resurrected as an alt-righter

>unironically linking a Shoeonhead video
go kill yourself you reddit fuck

Shoe is pretty plebeian but she does give a decent breakdown of the movie

Veeky Forums is a right-wing website. If you disagree you're part of the problem. Plus you conflated /pol/ with /int/ which makes me think you are a pseud.

>zero books
really activates ye olde braine

says who you little shit, Veeky Forums is a maoist website now go back to the ricefield you round eye mofo

>Veeky Forums is a right-wing website
hahahahah

yeah but it's also super gay since most of the dudes are pervs who wack it to cartoons and traps, so for normies trying to put it in standard left/right it doesn't really fit, which i guess is what makes it "alt right"

This is going to be a book on "Veeky Forums culture" and completely misinterpret or misunderstand it.

member boxxy?

>Veeky Forums is a right-wing website
What the fuck are you even talking about? We have no way of knowing that.
Just because r/thedonald is the most obnoxious group on the entire website does not mean the majority agree with them.

What a shitty book

Veeky Forums is traditionalist and socialist but definitely not capitalist or right-wing.

what a qt!

>traditionalist
>not right wing
Fuck off faker.

Literally none of previous Veeky Forums books ever got it right, and this one won't either

And into the trash can it all goes...

I hate this world in which everybody is always a fucking victim. Men are victims, women are victims, children are victims, faggots are victims, trannies are victims, students are victims, animals are victims, fucking trees are victims, etc. pp.

Is liberal democracy based on the formation of interest groups who assert the validity of their stakes through self-victimization? It increasingly feels like it. Makes me wanna go on a fascist powertrip and put people in camps tbqh.

edgy title to get people like us to pay attention
her interview on chapo shows that she really doesn't understand Veeky Forums that well at all, but i guess she gets credit for trying

>traditionalist and socialist
kek'd

mook should just get rid of /pol/, that way we would be finally left alone

>implying Veeky Forums isn't a website of insane contradictions

Id comment on this but i feel OP is really phishing for info here.
Makes me think op is nagel herself.
Stealing ideas from anons.

is Veeky Forums really that hard to understand tho? ok yeah there's a ton of slang and jargon and everyone is just rude as shit, but beyond that what else is there to get?

/pol/ isn't even the main board of most /pol/acks. The problem would just migrate to /b/, /int/ or /bant/

>Stealing ideas from anons.
Why would she do that? My book is already written and printed

Some of the stuff that is ironic is hard for people to get.

doesn't /v/ get the most traffic of any board anyways?

This.

I tried r/literature but was shadowbanned within a month.

Everything about this site is hard to understand because everything is so contradictory.
Browsing the site daily for years is the only way to "get" it but even then I don't think that means very much because the only difference is that you've been exposed to the contradictions

Has Zero Books ever published anything that wasn't complete garbage?

i think the fact that it kind of blends sincere opinion with shitposts and bait confuses a lot people who don't participate

Mark Fisher (rip) isn't bad. kind of a Jameson-lite with heavier emphasis on electronic music culture
Zero is mostly garbage pseudo-academic writing though

Only if you add the /v/ daughter boards. /pol/ is the biggest board traffic-wise.

I've been coming here on and off since 06. (initially with /b/, then only for pr0n (old-timers term for porn) , and now just Veeky Forums.

I still don't really understand this place and I often still get confused who's being genuine and who's on 20 layers of irony.

Back in 06 it was so much simpler. There was only like 2 layers of irony max, and the memes were very simple, but quite retarded and embarrassing.

After reading a review of the book I gotta say, she gets everything. At least, she perfectly describes the political moment.

What is the left gonna do to stop the alt right from ending human civilization though?

this

i find it very difficult to perform in normie society at all, after spending nearly half my life on Veeky Forums. i am being 100% honest when i say i find it intuitively strange that normies would get weirded out if i said nigger in front of them. sometimes i just want to say nigger. it doesn't mean i'm racist. sometimes i want to say a lot of things. sometimes i want to say things i don't believe, or i'm not sure i believe, or some version of me could believe and i want to try him out and see what he looks like.

normies are weird. they cry about obama not getting elected a third time and shit like that. they take their social lives really seriously. they get upset at 27 different violations of the normie dress code if you don't wear your clothes properly.

i used to think i'm fairly bland and normal but now i've realised that i'm scaring the fuck out of normies on a daily basis just by going outside and not really knowing the secret mysteries of how to dress like one of them.

i just put on a shirt my mom bought me when i was 15 and it still fits. it's not gross or anything. but i get the distinct impression, like a hairs on the back of my neck feeling of unfriendly eyes watching me, that something about my shirt, something about how it fits with all the other articles of my clothing that are just as bad, is immediately off-putting to normies. like when i look at a picture of chris chan wearing an autism beanie with a propeller on it. that's what i look like to normies, and all i did was select a t-shirt.

i had a girlfriend once somehow, and she told me that sneakers are "weird" and you're not "supposed" to wear them. i was really confused. she made me buy converse instead, which have no arch support and really hurt my feet. why would one pair of comfortable shoes be "weird" and another arbitrary pair of sneakers not be? what does "not supposed to" mean? she wouldn't explain, she just kept saying it

i don't understand. i've given up. if i try to go to another literature forum i immediately just want to say nigger nigger nigger nigger for no reason. the fact that they would get upset if i said nigger is like a normie stink on the air, and it just makes me want to say nigger more. i want to grab one of them and shake him until he fucking explains why his brain has internalized rules for other people's shoes. i don't like any of this fucking society

Everyone's a victim of existence, bro.

Fine as flour!

>What is the left gonna do to stop the alt right from ending human civilization though?
its just the current swing of cultural pendulum, the politics you talk of only exists for teenagers and YAs and is dismissable as a bump in the road. everyone thinks the things happening in their time will be the big change, but very little really changes, it just seems that way when you are a kid.

>i had a girlfriend once somehow, and she told me that sneakers are "weird" and you're not "supposed" to wear them. i was really confused. she made me buy converse instead, which have no arch support and really hurt my feet. why would one pair of comfortable shoes be "weird" and another arbitrary pair of sneakers not be? what does "not supposed to" mean? she wouldn't explain, she just kept saying it

Sneakers are weird, because they're shit, cheaply mass produced shoes, fucking plastic shoes, made to be replaced every year. The only thing wrong with what your girlfriend said is that she told you to get converse (which are only slightly better considering they're made from a natural fabric. But they're still shit)

Get some real shoes that will last you 5-10 years. Be a man.

Also, is this pasta?

That's just the slave morality talking.

Veeky Forums is not a rightwing website, it's actually a self-help website...look at all these fucking forums: fashion, lifting, reading, etc. that's the real reason ppl chill here, you pick up a lot of good shit the whole time but by acting like dicks the whole time you don't feel guilty for trying to better yourself

>That's just the slave morality talking.

There's nothing wrong with slave morality.

>Veeky Forums is not a rightwing website, it's actually a self-help website

Except for pol.

You're probably right. I'm just frustrated that it looks like I have to put up with global warming because of people's cultural insecurities. This shit should not be political.

Of course maybe it's all a Chinese hoax or we'll science it away somehow.

>getting self-help advice from greasy basement-dwelling shitposting virgins
No wonder this place is fucked.

>i want to say nigger nigger nigger

it's not so much that i want to say nigger nigger nigger it's that i want to say "marx is fucking retarded can't you see he misunderstood the french revolution, and got confused conflating industrial production with capitalism etc" but at the same time turn around and tell fags "historical materialism and class analysis is incredibly useful way to look at history and if you dismiss marx because the soviet union sucked then you are fucking stupid" then i get attacked by everybody and banned from whereever

the only other place that had the same spirit was old slashdot when they allowed unlimited posting ass "anonymous coward" but that was a tech site so you didn't have the diversity of shit to bitch about that one does here, but there were plenty of times i would heatedly argue for or against open source development as the feeling struck me

So Zyzz dressed as an insufferable pomo-reading hipster is the essence of Veeky Forums?

stop projecting, loser

dude, did you watch hwndu? it was all brown kids, they are trying to adopt the better points of white culture, saying their own cultures didn't value hard work, education and respect for the law etc., but instead of just becoming liberal protestants they go too far and become nazis, also so much of /pol/ is trying not to get ripped of by the jews, which is actually just a way for otherwise right leaning people to moderate their consumerist impulses without sounding marxian

What irritate me is her mischaracterisation o de Benoist and the Nouvelle Droite which no one in the alt right treats with respect and nuance. She makes the same mistake in defining metapolitics as they do

This post brought to you by The Underground Man
But I think most of us can agree with this sentiment. Sometimes you just want to do shit that doesn't actually mean anything or we don't actually care/believe in and this is pretty much the only place you can do that.

>mfw Jackie, Jesus, Leafbro, Narutobro n tha gang have drifted out of my life

why don't they literally just frequent several boards on Veeky Forums and other chans? fucking anyone on Veeky Forums (aside from the leddit immigrants) would write a far better insight into Veeky Forums culture and history.

>normies will never understand me i'm so le unique reeeee xD

hi angela, enjoying your stay?

...

>no more late nights with Jackie
>no more undercover missions with Jesus
>no more autism with Narutobro
>no more rundowns from Bogdabro
It hurts

i had a small depressive episode when it concluded because my brain had gotten used to it as a friend simulator

...so this is the power of white nationalism?

HWNDU was an absolute nigger festival from start to finish.

no pls stop it is of much hurt

>most aren't even white
kek

I began trying to write that as soon as I opened this thread
I think you have to know this place and live it to really be able to disassemble and examine this place.

and it was such a goddamn beautiful tragedy so beautiful omg

i member when jesus was doxxed and bolted home to tell everybody how much everything meant to him and to just forget about him if we could. i legit hurt from that.

It was okay before everyone showed up to yell KEK and spout teh epik memes. When it was just people talking politics in front of a camera it was okay.

He didn't seem to care too much did he? He's some aspiring wrestler and film school student or something.

I think she understands one segment of Veeky Forums's population very well, but that belies the various kinds of people that browse and post. For every political radical there's an apolitical consumer whose turned his pornography into a lifestyle. The fascist or male chauvinist parts of Veeky Forums are mostly just a symptom of broader atomization and curatorial attitudes toward mostly worthless masturbatory activity. So in a way, Veeky Forums is more representative of normal people (and the psychotic attitudes they display when not accountable) than she lets on.

I wonder if you legitimately have the 'tism. What shoes were you wearing?