When did you grow out of hating STEM?

When did you grow out of hating STEM?

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I don't think anyone hates STEM. It's the autists that are unbearable.

I didn't.
t. engineering student

When journalists stopped writing articles about how that's where all the money is because now there is no money.

STEM, or as I call it, bending the knee to your capitalist overlords and giving up all autonomy, becoming apart of the machine

28 year old here. What is this stem meme? Is this something highschool teachers forced on you? When I was a kid they told us to take a trade.

This. STEM is obviously practical and useful in temporal life. But all the smug euphoric fedoras it shits out are interminable.

One does not grow out of it, one grows into it. One cannot grow out of a contrary position.
I hate STEM.

When I protested in occupy wall street my freshman year and saw that literally everyone of those burnouts that were complaining about unemployment after graduation majored in sociology. That's also when I stopped being a socialist and decided to study Economics

i am a computer scientist and i agree with this statement. it is a sickness and i hate myself for succumbing to it. luckily i'm going to take online classes soon to work towards becoming an english professor like i was too scared to do in my 20s.

I didn't. I was taught to love it. Only after years of intense study in various disciplines was I able to finally learn to be leery of it. One day I may even grow into hating it, but I'm not there yet.

And just to be clear it's scientism that people hate -- comments like "philosophy is dead" -- not STEM.

One apparently loves being a queefmo try hard.

Sociology is STEM you absolute moron.
>tryhard
Yes goy, aim low and start a 'career' in engineering! you gotta be a realist!
Sorry, but you sound like a literal commie with a sportsballer's vocabulary.

What book is this?

>Sociology is STEM

Sociology is a social SCIENCE
SCIENCE. ENGINEERING. TECHNOLOGY. MATHEMATICS
Note, it isn't NSTEM - NATURAL SCIENCE. ETC.,
In fact, it should simply be STE, because Mathematics is a rational science.

I was shitting on your semantic pedantry, you literal try hard.

>Sorry, but you sound like a literal commie with a sportsballer's vocabulary.

You discerned all this because I called you queefmo? What a fuckin faggot cunt pseud you are lmao. You are an actual try hard.

>Yes goy, aim low and start a 'career' in engineering!

Dude, how the fuck is engineering "aiming low"? All of the hardest degrees are engineering and engineering is a respected career.

>he hasn't even read basic Plato to see that mathematics is the quickest path to philosophy

Stay jealous.

>t. sociologist
I know you want to be part of the cool STEM club, but you are not a scientist.

queefmo is definite sportsballfag vocabulary. Your autistic-realism has been commie since before even Marx, as far as I know.
Engineering is not hard.
Engineering does not deserve respect.
Engineering is aiming lower than loam.

stop pretending that STEM doesn't mean natsci, eng, and maths
also stop pretending that those three don't form a discrete bloc as against the humanities and their butt buddies in socsci

How the fuck is engineering not hard? What degrees would be considered difficult if they're easy? Have you taken engineering courses?

This.
Pure Math and Physics are the only hard STEM degrees.

Computer science too

STEM doesn't mean that, because it's SCIENCE, not NATURAL SCIENCE.
Smelly ideologue.
I have a degree in engineering and worked as an engineer for longer than you've had fucking hair on your nuts, you annoying fucking freshman. No, your degree is not difficult or impressive. You're a dullard who will regret the decision if you don't drink away your capacity to regret before you're fucking 30 like I almost did. Enjoy being the epitome of a tool, the honeymoon won't last more than two years past graduation, unless you're Indian or Chinese.
Neither are difficult.

>I call him a queef and he starts to ramble about Marx

holy fuck are you try hard hahahaha

I didn't ramble about Marx you fucking illiterate.

So you're an engineer who couldn't hack it in the real world. Got it.

Stop larping senpai, you are a 19 years old /mu/ poster too dumb for calculus

>real world
No such thing exists. I'm not an engineer.
I'm 29 and am effectively banned from /mu/ for my anti-jazz rants. Why are you so insecure, do you already regret your decision?

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fuck off mathlete. you are not welcome anywhere

maybe if i say thing itll b troo

Every faculty is filled with exchange students. At least they do work instead of fucking protesting.

>olive oil
What the fuck does this even mean?

Extra virgin, friend.

>tfw your existence makes lit cucks insecure

feels good to be a STEMlord

it means you have never seen a vagina nor will you ever

cnn.com/2016/05/12/asia/china-rubiks-cube-declaration-of-love/

Most of the Chinese guys are Veeky Forums as fuck. They all have girlfriends.

Hilarious how this topic spergs them the fuck out and they'll still use the "all STEMfags are autistic" strawman.

fashion is different from style. also if a fat euphoric neckbeard wears chanel, does that make him Veeky Forums?

This.
t.physics student

they know they are brainlets so they go "I may b-be dumber than you but at l-least I'm a better p-person" it's literal anti intellectualism.

>insecure
wow nyce psichoanalyssis

>intellectualism is good

Do you think wearing a paper surgical mask is Veeky Forums

This is the dumbest tilte I've read in a long while
>man declares love with 840 Rubik's cube... but she says no

Case in point.

That's not for fashion. That's so they wont spread germs even if they're sick. The West should pick this up too when people go outside with a cold.

>tfw accounting

Are we switzerland in this debate?

>hardest degrees are engineering and engineering is a respected career
I don't think a profession where pajeets and chinks holds the majority should count as respected or hard.

When I realized having a "boring" job doesn't make me a less interesting person.

>too retarded for science

>tfw gave up on real dreams because I can do math and science alright and I want money and comfort
I regret it more and more every day and I still haven't graduated

Underage detected

when i started a stem degree and the first class was more of a challenge than anything I did for a humanities undergrad degree

If you don't pursue STEM in college you are a certified moron. The liberal arts is a joke and propaganda bullshit. Colleges should be converted into trade schools.

No, germs need to be spread so we can build strong immune systems. Secondly, it allows us to learn suffering.

Veeky Forumsfag here. Never "hated" STEM or the people who studied it, just found some of them had delusions of grandeur. Engineers haven't been too well respected in the places I've worked so maybe that's where the angst comes from. A lot of people who pursued STEM do seem socially stunted, though.

>hating STEM or humanities
It's a retarded internet meme spread by underage autists. Sure there's jokes and banter between students (much like there are between different specialties inside STEM and humanities themselves), but nobody genuinely hates the other field in serious academic institutions, save for ""computer science"" fedoras who drop out after two semesters of playing vidya and failing calculus 1 and cretins in absolute meme social science degrees, which can hardly be called education at all.

>All of the hardest degrees are engineering
L M F A O
t. every nat science major ever

>and cretins in absolute meme social science degrees

m8, Ive majored psychology, I know it has a bad rep regarding SJWs, but I cant see why do internet intellectuals consider it as a pesudo-science?
Sure, its corrupted by politics, but what field isnt?

>but I cant see why do internet intellectuals consider it as a pesudo-science?
because you do nothing and help nobody.

>because you do nothing and help nobody.

that makes me a lawyer.

just as bad desu. but nah psych needs a revamp or something. majority of this upcoming generation is turning to fucking asmr to help their problems. not you

>just as bad desu. but nah psych needs a revamp or something.

yeah, psychology is kind of mistificied today, it started as a legit science.

I don't care what you think about STEM in general but you absolutely must study enough mathematics to understand the most important ideas humans have thought.

What if you're terrible at math

khanacademy

>internet intellectuals
Seriously?
>pseudo-science
It's no more pseudo-science as most other humanities. It gets a bad rap because aside from a small amount of people genuinely passionate for subject it's filled to the brim with retards who went for the 'cure yourself' meme and emotionally unstable teenage girls who think it's going to help them unravel and understand their ""incredibly rich and complex inner world"". A lot of these then go on to become therapists - a profession where you have to be not just good, but very good to provide any tangible help to your patients and of course fail miserably, basically amounting to little less than nodding mannequins and relying on general therapeutic effects of basic human contact for the totality of their practice, thus understandably creating the 'do nothing help nobody' stereotype that the other guy mentioned.

In away it's similar to situation in CS, where actual highly educated computer scientists develop new mathematical models and methods, while the general lowest common denominator image of profession is a brainless code-monkey with 3 months of bootcamp experience and a superiority complex.

Just don't sweat about it too much and be whatever you want to be.

Degrees are secondary to experience.

Students are annoying and dumb.

This is true.

You can't read Das Kapital without at least basic comprehension of algebra and calculus.

This.
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>terrible at math
I used to think this. Then I doubled the time I practiced, sought tutoring, and developed more discipline. Certainly not a mathlete but I think almost anyone can become at least "above average" if I was able to

Relearning it as an adult is easy and enjoyable you are able to identify where you should start, math is only hard if you're trying to tackle new concepts without mastering the prerequisites.

>>internet intellectuals
>Seriously?

Im thinking about people on the web who watch sargon of akaad and think they know everythign about the world, the

>bold young software engieneers

types.

>It's no more pseudo-science as most other humanities.

well, I dont agree with that, most concepts in "traditional" psychology like IQ, personality, congitive concepts are no less scientific as measure in biology. Congitive psychology and personality tests are as precise as mechanical instruments.

>A lot of these then go on to become therapists - a profession where you have to be not just good, but very good to provide any tangible help

the thing with psychoterapy is that it should even be consideren as a part of psychology, it developed primarily from Freud and psychiatry which are both pesudoscientifical branches.
Therapy is almost never tested for results but people "like it" and that is why they considere it works, when you look at few longitudinal studies for effects, they are mediocre at best...in other words 90% of psychotherapy is an absolute scam.

>dude pay hundreds of thousands of dollars over four years to get a degree in a subject that will exclude you from all but service industry-related careers when you could have just gone to the library and learned it for free
LIBERAL ARTS AND THE HUMANITIES ARE MEMES

>It's no more pseudo-science as most other humanities.

the thing is that fields like sociology and anthropology never started as science from the start, unlike psychology that started as strick science (Wundt, Piaget...) but muddied the water later with (((psychoanalysis))).

>terrible at math
There is no such thing. Math is just taught in absolutely wrong way in most schools, so many end up with the idea the whole of it are numerical calculation methods, while in reality it's logic applied to abstract concepts. They end up memorizing formulas and procedures never giving a second though to their meaning. If you're genuinely interested find someone "good at it" who would be willing to explain and show the thought process itself to you with examples you can relate to. In general watching a couple of hours of Youtube videos with good explanations is infinitely more beneficial than trying to get through dry dense textbooks full of "soulless" formulas.

>education costs hundreds of thousands of dollars
>the only reason to obtain education are career opportunities
>memes kek xD
Go away, underage fag.
t. math major

This is a meme. Some of the most senior people in my company have humanities degrees. It is more than possible to weasel your way into sales, marketing, etc. regardless of your degree. It just means you need to focus more of your energy on networking, your school's alumni network, and business extracurriculars.

>>dude pay hundreds of thousands of dollars
Not everyone is American
>>when you could have just gone to the library and learned it for free
In reality 99% of people don't have the will or determination to become humanities autodidacts (and Internet-age information overload only makes the problem worse). Humanities students benefit being mentored in the intellectually stimulating environment universities provide.

>caring about the opinions of
>people on the web who watch sargon of akaad and think they know everythign about the world
Really? The world is full of all kinds of people, stop caring about the ones you don't need in your life.
>the thing with psychoterapy is that it should even be consideren as a part of psychology
Maybe it should, but it's the primary source of stereotypes - what you asked about.

You're right, getting a literature degree and working in McDonalds is how you fight the power.

STEM in the modern capitalist society and math in Plato's time are fairly different things.

>Math is just taught in absolutely wrong way in most schools, so many end up with the idea the whole of it are numerical calculation methods

partially agree, I for instance am very good with logic and philosophy but math seemed so dull and repetative.

The problem seems to be that the teaching of math is based on processing speed insted of concept understanding.

>when you could have just gone to the library and learned it for free

absolute bullshit. As a meme psych major, I can guarantee you that no internet intellectual knows even the basic of hypothesis testing, nor the difference between science and pseudoscience.

>It just means you need to focus more of your energy on networking, your school's alumni network, and business extracurriculars.

+1 Its a pain if you are a misanthrope like me, but doable.

>Maybe it should, but it's the primary source of stereotypes - what you asked about.

this stereotype is strongly grounded in reality, the soft touchy "part of psych" are full of activist types and female cretins, most intelleigent people are in congitive psychology anyway.

Math is exactly what it was in Plato's time. Math degrees will get you a fuckton of attractive jobs anywhere from research and tech to finance and management. It's the obvious patrician choice really.

how do i learn to love math. just seems like repetitive bs that bores me to death.

ITT debt slaves tell themself falsitudes to assuage their guilt about being duped into the great american scam

You really are missing the point