Is farm to table a meme? What are the advantages?

Show me where the mean man with a beard touched you, user.

What's sad is that so many people have lost touch with their connection to the land, they have to rely on a restaurant and a greedy marketer to eat something that comes from a nearby industrial meat works and pay a premium for what is a fake commercialization of the natural state of affairs

Why is that sad? It sounds like an advanced civilization. Stop troglodyte promoting.

If you drive your empty imported wine bottles down to the recycling center in your SUV you can absolve your white guilt from flying to Hawaii for spring break

I'm sorry is it troglodyte to have grown up on a farm with a chest freezer full of meat from home kill and to have played a part in raising and supplying these kinds of organic meats to someone so "advanced" as yourself who try as you might can't remove the desire of tens of thousands of years of living on the land from your mind and ends up being taken advantage of by some marketing scheme.

Good luck with the advanced civilization without all the "troglodytes" of the world

Whoa buddy. You better go feed 'dem chickens.

This so much.
I grew up on a ranch, we raised our own meats, hunted, and grew not only feed and fodder crops but vegetables as well.
Now, I live in a city, and I bcc basically have to forage my own sources for quality, fresh foods, but I don't mind, because it's important. People don't know where they're food comes from anymore.

Farm to table is boutique farmers selling ingredients for boutique restaurants that will only be frequented by upper middle class professionals.
It is the epitome of feel good, limousine liberal snobbery.
No restaurant that feeds the actual working class can afford the inflated prices that these hobby farmers charge.

I'm pretty sure all food goes from farm to table, user. Unless maybe you are not using a table. Perhaps the terminology is a bit off?

True that.

That disconnect between what you eat and where it came from can actually affect a large amount of how a person views the world. None of it is good.

>hobby

A profession isn't a hobby though.

it's like nongmo, gluten free, fair trade, and organic just a thing to make people feel good about themselves.

Farm to table means the restaurant buys directly from local growers rather than through a wholesale supplier.

Idiots.

I know, I'm making a pedantic joke. I looked into doing it myself, but the regulations and licensing in my state make it way too costly.

Hobby farms refer to small local farms that can only stay afloat by selling their produce at an inflated price to fancy restaurants and local specialty markets. They are not economically viable on a large enough scale to actually feed a population.

Found the clueless liberal.

The income from a hobby farm is merely supplemental. The farms that supply restaurants are not doing it as a supplement to their income and as such are not hobby farms.

Not the farms that supply wholesale to sell forward to normal restaurants.
But the fancy restaurants that preach farm to table mostly buy from smaller hobby farms.

The people that go on about how great farm to table is are the same kind of sheltered rich kids who assume that everyone takes a family ski trip to Vail every winter or are confused when people they talk to don't have the time or money to pick up sailing as a hobby.

>You didn't take a year off after high school to travel around Europe? Why not? You're totally missing out.

I wouldn't be that dismissive or binary about this thread. I purchase regular store fruits and vegetables all the time, but I know for a fact that locally grown or home grown shit is better. It tastes better, looks better, doesn't hold as long so if you buy it...use it right away.

Casper knew this.

I know that farm fresh stuff is usually better, the point I'm trying to make is that eating farm to table isn't always economically viable for working families, but the people who push the movement don't grasp that because they're from higher income backgrounds and don't grasp how hard things can be for people lower on the ladder than them.

You ARE missing out though.

I used to work at REI and there were so many people like this. They're not snobby or mean, they literally just don't understand that not everybody grew up the same way they did and that the level of upper middle class luxury they enjoyed was not available to most people.

Actually, I'm , and am far and away more educated about food and food sources than You are, moron.

Sure thing, kid. Sure thing.
I bet you're a navy SEAL, too.

Unless you live in an inner city, it can be done. And sometimes there, too. When I was young and poor, ( thanks, Bush), I'd hitch a ride with a friend of mine out to a farm stand that sold their fruit vegetables for next to nothing. I could get a grocery sack full of fruit and veg that would last my tiny family of three a week for about $5. You have to find where to go. You know, quality life takes effort.

Denial ain't a river in Egypt, dumbass. Educate yourself.

Oh look, another young single person that only had to feed himself is once again preaching to others about how easy life actually is.

I'm somebody else, but how are you so fucking retarded? Did all the swap meets and farmers markets vanish from your town or something? Here's a thought: farmer Bob takes his produce to a low-class area and sells it cheaply... and makes the rich pay more for the same. This is capitalism, the only thing you've known since before you were born. It's the reason your Tyson or other industrial chicken costs 1.50 at el cheapo market and the exact same industrial brand costs 3.99 at Vons or Albertsons.

Maybe you are retarded in another way. Maybe you are incapable of comprehending that the reason Whites don't want to work in agriculture over in non-hispanic areas isn't because the poor can't pay more for food, but because the rich won't pay more. It might be that fresh food is a labor-intensive activity, much more than ass-sitting and screen-staring is.

Not him, but:

>>My family of three...
>Oh look, other family-less dolt...

Guess what, most poor Americans live in the city. And maybe they don't have a farm stand within a reasonable distance or a reliable ride to one anyway.
You're reducing a large demographics problem down to your small personal experiences, you're doing exactly what that sheltered rich kids do.

So do liberals all wear those thick hipster glasses because they develop vision problems from constantly looking down their noses at some tired working parent who goes to the chain grocery store for produce instead of driving three hours out into the country to hunt for farm stands?

I only wear the glasses so I can clearly see Trump trying to sign something.

It's socialistic trickery.

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You're an excuse making lazy moron.

>Is farm to table a meme?
>see it talked about all the time on PBS cooking shows
>"On our lesbian farm collective we are all about sustainability. Farm to table baby whoooo!"
>"These butter beans are $16 a pound Chef Vivian Howard"
>"These organic onions are $13 a pound Pete Evans"
Yeah it's a meme

You're spoiled liberal that pisses all over hard working people to feel better about himself.

Are you insane? So now people who understand he importance of quality food are fucking liberals? You tarfarts will just call anyone who disagrees with you "muh lib'rals" because you have no other excuse for how assbackwards you are. You pathetic excuse for a human.

It's not about the quality of the food, it's about how you lord your easy access to better food over poorer people and look down on them because they didn't have time to drive out to the countryside to buy organic heirloom tomatoes and instead went to Safeway for tomatoes because they had to get dinner on the table for their hungry family.
It's about the quality of the people, and you're a poor quality person. I know you're a liberal because of how much better you think you are than everybody else. You're a shitty human being.

>another /pol/tard incoherent rant by a disenfranchised white tendies eater venting his inferiority complex from his mom's basement

>discussing ways to access fresh foods is "lording" and "liberal".

You're a fucking moron and I hope your next hotpocket gives you diarrhea. Enjoy your shit tier life. It's fucking pathetic you can't engage in a normal conversation without your low self esteem dragging you down to Neanderthal level. YOUR OWN POSTS is how I know I'm better than you.

>all these (you)s
Veeky Forums really needs a /leftypol/ board like f-u-l-l-chan has so you faggots have a containment board too and then /pol/ and /leftypol/ can be shit up by each other instead of forcing the confrontation to other boards.

>Ha ha enjoy your junk food poor person, I'm so much better and smarter than all you stupid poor people.

Again, you're just arrogant judgemental garbage humans that don't care about anyone but yourselves.

>I needed a car so I bought a Honda.

>A Honda? You should have bought a Mercedes. They're way nicer and much safer.

>I can't afford a Mercedes and I needed a car for my family. So I got a Honda.

>Well I can afford a Mercedes and you should've bought a Mercedes.

>I can't afford a Mercedes

>Well now you're just making excuses, stop bring lazy. If you really cared about cars, you'd find a way to get a Mercedes

>Fresher
>Different varieties of fruits and vegetables available
>Stimulating your local economy instead of juans greenhouse tomatoes in Mexico
>Not paying for unripened crop to take a long ass truck ride.

Actually, if you knew ANYTHING about cars, you'd already know that Hondas run fantastic for a long time, while Mercedes are well built, and prestigious, but not as comfy and will drain your bank account.
t. a Jaguar owner. And former poor person.

Hello Pot, meet Kettle, you hypocritical bitch.

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How are Audis?

Why do so many Veeky Forums threads devolve into class fighting?

Audis are great cars, BUT, when something goes wrong, you better have the money to back it up. They're very fun to drive, though, as long as you're buying the sports models. Fast and tight.

Because food, oddly enough, is a polarizing subject.

It's mostly ebin trolls who can't contain their need to start shit even when there are multiple boards designed for the express purpose of shitposting.

I'm a hypocrite because I feel sympathy for people that have to make less than ideal choices when time and money are tight instead of calling them lazy, excuse making morons?
How do I have the audacity to not judge those who have less than me? I'm such an evil person.

You're a hypocrite because you have the audacity to judge people who have made something out of nothing for themselves. Who have gone out and WORKED to find solutions. You judge anyone who has done something that your low self-esteem considers "better", therefore making it "against you". You are a textbook hypocrite.

>Is farm to table a gimmick? What are the advantages?
Thank me later

God damn, you're an egotistical psychopath. You literally have no empathy for any other human being. Everyone else is just shit compared to you, we're not fit to lick your boots.
Those stupid poor people don't deserve good food, they deserve to fight for the scraps like dogs.
No wonder the liberals lost so big the last election, you all have this psychotic hatred for people that aren't as perfect as you.

>But the fancy restaurants that preach farm to table mostly buy from smaller hobby farms.

They are no longer hobby farms if they do that.

Because liberals are completely out of touch with what working Americans have to deal with every day, so when they're confronted with the reality that doesn't fit their personal experience they don't know how to process it.

The only thing I've learned from this thread is that if you work long or late hours and have to go to grocery store for food instead of the farm stand, you're lazy and a bad person.

Carbon footprint is more costly than supermarkets.

Because people ask why.

Here's the truth about farm to table.
It's a wonderful idea and in a perfect world everyone would eat food from a local farm. But it's just not economically viable. There are 320 million people in America, most of whom live in urban centers. You need commercial production and wholesale distribution to keep food affordable and accessible for that many people.
Farm to Table is a supplemental luxury, it can't be the backbone of our food economy because it simply doesn't produce enough yield.

How do you not understand the concept of white guilt?

I see what you're getting at there, but I don't quite agree. It produces a perfectly sufficient yield, and it is also affordable--IF people are buying ingredients and cooking from scratch. The money saved by cooking from scratch compared to eating out (even fast food) lets one EASILY afford local ingredients.

The things fucking over the concept of "Farm to table" are:
1) people preferring to eat food that was prepared for them rather than actually cooking from scratch
2) people being used to 365-days-a-year availability of seasonal produce
3) a shift to a very meat-heavy diet

Cook from scratch, pay attention to what's in season, and you can eat like a fucking king even on a tight budget.

Farm to table, means cutting out the middle men.

Farmer grows carrots, he sells them to me, I eat them at my table.

Because sometimes middle men get in the way. Say I wanted raw milk. Here that is banned. Buying directly from the farmer would be the only way to go in this case.

No, I get where you're coming from and cooking from scratch can be a way for people to supplement farm fresh stuff into their diets, but the hard economic truth is that we need industrial scale farming to feed this large of a population.
It's not about the individual and his spending habits, it's about the logistics of growing and distributing adequate food for hundreds of millions of people.
Farm to table will only ever be supplemental.

>locally grown, extremely fresh food, which is ultimately the healthiest way to eat.

Proximity of growth makes no difference to how healthy it is for you. This is a stupid meme to con people buying local and 'supporting' local business where they can 'justify' jacking up the prices then imported cheaper, identical produced from slightly further away.

Not the guy you're replying to, but this sounds true for the united states, where lots of people live in places where local farming isn't feasible so it requires the use of large systems and the logistical implications that come with that. But not all places are the united states. I wonder of the feasibility of more direct, localised farming in places like the UK where we have much more readily farmable land closer to the consumer, and nothing near the huge logistical challenges a country the size of the US faces. Definitely something we should maybe think about with the whole brexit fuckup incoming. The farmers are definitely going to have to do something different when they lost their EU subsidies

It's probably a lot easier to pull off in a small European country than it is in a place like the US or Canada.
Either way, though, when you scale down production prices will go up. People just have to be ready to pay more for food.

>it's about the logistics of growing and distributing adequate food for hundreds of millions of people.

That's an issue in a few very dense population centers. Sure, in a big city like NYC "local" isn't exactly possible. But for the majority of the country? Easily done. The only thing getting in the way is people's preferences.

Fresher food contains more nutrients. That's just simple fact. As soon as you pull vegetables out of the ground or fruit off a tree, they start to degrade. If you're getting produce from across the country that's just as fresh as something grown locally then no, there's not going to be any difference, but generally you can find fresher food when it doesn't have to travel thousands of miles to get to you.

Protip: the majority of the population lives in dense urban centers like NYC.

Not even close to a majority lives in places that are so dense local food is impossible.

Projection, the post.

I disagree, I think the logistics of moving small farm produce into urban centers is going to up the price and make farm to table just a bit more unattainable for people of lower income on any kind of regular basis.
It would be great if everybody could afford farm to table for every meal but that's not economically possible.
We should definitely try to implement it when and where we can, but it won't ever be the majority of our food supply.

>is going to up the price and make farm to table just a bit more unattainable for people of lower income on any kind of regular basis.

Most people on "lower income" have no problem affording highly overpriced fast food. If those people were to cook for themselves then the resultant savings could easily cover an increased ingredient cost. But as we discussed before, many people either lack those skills, don't care, or prefer to eat pre-prepared meals.

>> but it won't ever be the majority of our food supply.
I agree with your conclusion, but not the reasoning by which you got there. I think local food is certainly possible, but doesn't match up with people's preferences.

Because food can be either moderately cheap or quite expensive and still be food (and quite good/healthy), which allows all classes to get into the hobby to at least a moderate level; because food can have a massive range of effort put into it and still be food; because everyone eats food and thus feels as though they belong on Veeky Forums regardless of whether or not they've ever made any significant contribution to a meal; because there is no barrier to entry/understanding on Veeky Forums thus the lowest common denominator will always appear and fuck things up with their shitty conversation. There's no real prerequisite to having opinions about food, thus shit opinions fluorish.
Also because non-/pol/ political persuasions (read: faggot liberals) don't have their own containment board so they're typically allowed to shitpost wherever, and people aren't intelligent enough to just not give them (You)s.