>read more of the brothers Karamazov >a literal 13 year of talks to Alyosha about his disbelief in God and praise for socialism while doing it after having superficially read some stuff and the obvious fact that a 13 year old has no life experience >the boy almost starts crying as the incredibly gracious and polite and incredibly religious Alyosha dismantles his views
Wtf is this shit? I was expecting the chapter to end with an eagle shedding a tear on the American flag while holding a bible.
And of course the final few pages of Book X was Kolya calling the doctor a leech, probably because doctors were crap in Dostoevsky's time.
Damn... This is so profound... Every other book BTFO!
Caleb Powell
t. 13 year old who read the Communist Manifesto
Tyler Anderson
>not seeing that this is desperate shit, no matter what your political views >not seeing that, as a literary joke, it was fucking boring so it failed in every way >not knowing that I am pol
William Wilson
Bump
Is anyone going to actually talk about the book or just use it as pretension fuel?
Jonathan Morris
Dostoevsky knew that any socialist/communist was truly a 13 year old at heart and portrayed them as such. Based Dusty does it again.
Cameron Moore
Wasn't Dostoevsky a socialist revolutionary earlier in life?
Carson Lee
My vote is for pretension fuel. Anyone else vote for pretension fuel?
Christian Carter
Dosto made me believe in God. Every time life gets hard I think about Alyosha's kiss and realise all over again how profound it is to do something purely out of love. The fact that there doesn't always have to be a logical reason for something is perhaps the most comforting knowledge a man can possess. Sometimes we must surrender to whatever is above us.
Elijah King
socialists btfo
Nathaniel Fisher
This, it's an allusion to his earlier views
Michael Diaz
>The fact that there doesn't always have to be a logical reason for something is perhaps the most comforting knowledge a man can possess This, when I realized (thanks to Fyodor) that me making silly mistakes that I should've known not to do was all an integral part of being human it made my life better. Commies BTFO
Michael Howard
GOAT
Robert Bell
>the fact that there doesn't always have to be a logical reason for something is perhaps the most comforting knowledge a man can possess
Interestingly enough this is actually one of the conclusions of Stirners work - despite it coming from a very different angel
Grayson Stewart
>liberalism BTFO by Demons >utilitarianism BTFO by C&P and Notes >atheism BTFO by TBK
Is there anything this man can't do?
This, based Dosto.
Angel Collins
>Is there anything this man can't do?
Stop gambling
Joshua Fisher
Not only that, he was condemned to death for it. When he was on the gallows about to die, the tsar commuted the sentence to exile in Siberia.
Ryder Cruz
What you have to understand about Dostoevsky is that he's writing drama first, and everything else—the politics, philosophy, psychology—is secondary. This is why his characters are often so extreme like the child you are referring to, and the more famous characters like Ivan, Alyosha, Mitya, Stavrogin, Myshkin, Rogozhin, and so on. He creates a world where these extreme personalities and convictions converge, regardless of how unlikely it is for them to meet. You're expected to believe that these characters are realistic, and in truth they are. Precocious thirteen year olds do exist, and highly sensitive personalities exist, as do people who hold the views put forth in his works.
That's my opinion on what he's doing, anyway.
Benjamin Martinez
death by firing squad, but with blanks. gave him epilepsy. People say his "aura" were a vital part of his insight into the mind and why his novels are such good psychological investigations.
Aiden Butler
I thought he quit after writing The Gambler
Adrian Walker
Nah, he did write it to pay off gambling debts though.
Andrew Torres
Is there anyone on this site older than 20? Jesus Christ.
Evan Robinson
You can easily answer your own question by remembering your age
Owen Butler
>Childhood is idealism and atheism. >Adulthood is being religious.
This desu. Dostoevsky and Tolstoy made me re-adopt my religious faith and honestly I have never felt better in a while. After reading all of that bullshit existentialism and nihilistic philosophy, returning to the Russians brought me out of my existential crisis.
Brandon Jenkins
I'm at the same part user, I really enjoyed it. Can't wait to see what Ivan's been up to and how him and Alyosha will interact.
Angel Richardson
What are your thoughts on the difference in christian outcome between tolstoy and dosto?
Josiah Martinez
I've only read Notes from Underground and The Death of Ivan Ilyich by Dosto/Tolstoy, but I am absolutely in search/need of re-adopting my faith. Im very glad to see you suggest their works will help me achieve this.
What should I read by them, anything in particular?
Connor Taylor
For Tolstoy the "kingdom of god is within you" and "the gospels in brief" for Dostoevsky Crime and Punishment and the Brothers K
Wyatt White
Crime and Punishment will objectively make your life better and help you reignite any lost faith. Once you understand that the capability for redemption is within all of us, and that crime when met with punishment (sometimes physical, sometimes mental) will yield redemption through suffering, your life will improve. We all do our own "crimes" of a sort, and learning that we have to undergo some sort of restitution for them, and that we ARE able to be absolved of our crimes will help you regain faith immensely.
Tyler Lee
>Crime and Punishment will objectively make your life better and help you reignite any lost faith.
I would hesitate to project your experience onto others so fiercely that you oversell it. Tens of millions read reread and continue to read this without having their faith reignited
> will help you regain faith immensely.
I would argue that its value lies more in its analogy for how love impacts the sinner and the false promises of liberalism.
Joshua Brown
I agree, I am projecting a lot of my own experiences into that post, but I would stand behind the fact that it has good lessons to teach that can make ones life better.
Joshua Lewis
>but I would stand behind the fact that it has good lessons to teach that can make ones life better.
Undoubtedly but there is a big difference between that and
"Crime and Punishment will objectively make your life better and help you reignite any lost faith."
Even when it comes to things like the bible I tone things down because the last thing you want to do is give someone false expectations because unmet expectations is are the quickest to disappoint or turn someone sour on something they might otherwise be open to.
If I tell someone the Bible is the most important book they will ever read and it show them the truth of Christ and fill them with the Holy Spirit unless they are already a christian 9/10 times they will burn out before even getting past the Pentateuch.
Jacob Butler
A fair point even though you're correct about the Bible
Ryder Barnes
Didn't know that, thanks user, I'll check him out now.
Ayden Gomez
Why are there so many quotes in this thread, yet nobody is quoting anyone?
Jonathan Long
I read the first five parts of book 11 right now. It's pretty bad. It was a few chapters of hysterical women talking nonsense, which I think was Dostoevsky parodying popular opinion of his day. There was a chapter with Dmitri being crazy and anither swipe at socialism (I'm not a socialist). Then a bit with Ivan that I have already forgotten.
Logan Robinson
Why do people like you bother coming into threads like these. It is literally not a bad book, and that is not a subjective opinion. You are literally and objectively wrong if you call this book bad.
Eli Johnson
>coming in to threads like these
But I am OP
REE REE SHUTUP SHUTUP MUH HUMAN CONDISHUN
Leo Flores
Hmm a 13-year old spouting atheism and socialism. BUT...a thirteen year old could actually have these opinions at such a young age , could he??
Maybe Dosty is making a statement about the maturity and lack of intellectual development amongst those who hold atheistic and socialist beliefs...naah, he's probably giving an accurate account of 13-year olds in Russia. You're right user, crazy Dosty !!
Logan Kelly
That's a really good point.
Ryder White
Not thirteen! Fourteen, in two weeks
Samuel Gutierrez
Kek. This was actually a perfect way of capturing precocious youth.
Brandon Kelly
So you be saying... *Becomes animated and hysterical* we sum kinna... *saves a prostitute* ...we be like... *Trashes socialism with a strawman that's like a parody of a parody* and then we like... *falls in to bed with a fever for six weeks* an Jesus says... *floats the idea of subjective morality with utter disbelief for the fiftieth time that chapter* an dey be like all... *repeats a word or phrase incessantly to torment another character (whiskbroom, Von sign)* ayo hol up lemme see where we at... *Stupid female characters exist solely to parrot the stupid views of Dostoevsky's time in boring walls of text* WE WUZ DOSTOEVSKY CHARACTERS AN SHEET!?
Charles Garcia
>posts on Veeky Forums >can’t spell
Evan Jones
I really like how the book ends with a kids dog dying and then them eating pancakes. I literally read this book in a mental hospital (because being in a mental hospital is like purgatory, there is not a goddamn thing to do) and yeah. The real problem with this novel is that Ivan the big bad atheist goes insane. Doestoevsky just couldnt let an atheistic character be sane.
Daniel Johnson
>I really like how the book ends with a kids dog dying and then them eating pancakes How can someone miss the point this much? >Doestoevsky just couldnt let an atheistic character be sane Because they aren't sane.
Henry Flores
Every philosophical novel is just a parade of strawmen desu
Adrian Roberts
explain then what point having pancakes was
or are you refering to the religious nonsense muh grand inquisitor made me believe in God again, stfu
Brayden Sullivan
Leave this place.
Jordan Cooper
>if my beliefs are not presented in a positive light, it's a strawman Sasuga, atheists. Stay butthurt.
Adrian Clark
in all honesty I forgot all about the little boy dying. It was 5 or 6 years ago since I read it, and I have forgotten most of the plot. Other than muh grand inquisitor.
Aiden Cooper
>ITT: people too tired of life to be non-religious anymore.
Xavier Sanders
>all of his books utterly BTFO communism and socialism >only Demons and Diary of a Writer were censored in the Soviet Union How did Based Dusty do it?