I've been reading some Soft porn books, basically copies of 50 shades of grey...

I've been reading some Soft porn books, basically copies of 50 shades of grey, and I'd like to know how close those books are to the mentality and desires of the regular women, does they really dream and fantasize about it? Does a rich man, with fancy stuff, and who has some "dark past" which kinda hurts them and which is going to be fixed by the girl, is something that makes them excited?

From my experience, no

Women don't want a one-dimensional person, but that's about it

>do women want a fabulously rich and handsome man who owes his happiness to her?

I'm a man but I would be perfectly cool with that scenario too

no homo

You'll find out when you're older.

Why must you post these jezebels etc etc

My personal experience is that women spend all their time and energy trying to convince people that they don't fantasize about stuff like that, or really want stuff like that in their lives, but they really do, and they'll feign offense-taking if you even bring it up.

literally who doesnt

Everyone has fantasies. It doesn't exactly reflect in their ideal partners.

Jason Gray is a rich sadistic stalker, but I'd guess he would be attentious and be a man that cares for the girl. Giving her a contract and the whole SM is more of a fetish.

For example, imagine guys that love yanderes. No one in his right mind would actually date one, but she is part of fantazies people have about a girl that centers her life over the MC

Getting abused by an incredibly attractive, powerful man is exciting to women precisely because it is so unappealing. The characterisation of an attractive abuser emphasises how attractive the man must be to still excite the woman in the fantasy. An interesting fetish

Money supplants cock quickly when a relation becomes routine. Female greed and envy (white female) read like an unknown language when first encountered by the 'healthy' hetero man's psyche.. having to deal with it for the sake of children, for instance, is not fun. And this is a monster issue not dealt with by any feminist author of my recollection. Is there one? If so, I'd love to read what she has to say--

>rich
yes
> who has some "dark past" which kinda hurts them and which is going to be fixed by the girl
If they're immature/not cynical enough (which a surprising amount of them are), then, probably, yes

Or as this poster more succinctly and funnily puts it is also right about different facets of the answer

In general, it may be an attractive fantasy or even attractive to them in real life, but obviously they can also be attracted to other types of men or men who don't fit this almost Twilight/50 Shades of Gray-esque ideal-creepy-handsome-stalker man.

But yeah, women can be surprisingly trite, just like men, sorry

Women want a man that respects them and puts effort into the relationship and shares.

Good looks and money are a plus. Double plus, maybe.

The thing about the bad boy fantasy is that it's always followed up with the bad boy actually having a heart of gold and changing his bad boy ways to be with her. Somehow this eludes most people.

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>Women want a man that respects them and puts effort into the relationship and shares.


Yeah, that's why friendzone exists

women want something difficult to conquer

if you're obliging, they get bored

>Women want a man who respects them.
What? No they don't. The only time a women brings up respect is when they're trying to manipulate you, in my experience.

>R-respect my decisions or else!
>lol
>Don't laugh at me! I'm sleeping elsewhere tonight and every other night!
>Ok babe. Goodnight.
>Back in my bed five minutes later
That's been my experience, at least. Same scenario dozens of times.

well that has not been my experience at all
the funny thing about anectodal evidence is that it isn't worth much, which is why discussions about men and women on Veeky Forums are cancerous

This is correct and my experience exactly
Youre a beta

Only the beta-ist of single women and the saddest of housewives read anything from the Grey series. If you want good porn novels, get something written by straight white man, and not a homosexual.

Or just get a paperback from a dollar store or a grocery store.

>lets a woman talk to him like that
>calls others beta

>Women want a man that respects them and puts effort into the relationship and shares.

Women want a tall, rich, and handsome dude, with a big dick.

Everything else seems to be quite secondary.

>Asking male virgins about female sexuality

Lol

>Do women want rich men with fancy stuff

Yes, women naturally desire people that can give them and potentially their children the shit they want, need, and desire. I have heard women say that having money isn't important, I have never heard them say it's a negative, and the most common sentiment I've heard is "It's easier to love a rich man than a poor man". How the fuck do you think pic related happens?

There is also a bit of an ego element here, in that the women that attracts such a man must have just such a spectacular vagina that he chose her above all others.

>who has some "dark past" which kinda hurts them and which is going to be fixed by the girl

Men who aren't able to be "dark" are useless because, especially if you think of women historically more than in modern terms, the world is really fucking dangerous for women and Thug would regularly clobber them over the head and rape them or they would get mauled to death by a lion. A man that is unable to have a "dark side" is a bit shit and useless which is part of why "nice guys" never get laid. Not because women don't appreciate kindness persay, but they don't appreciate somebody that doesn't know how to do anything BUT be kind. Men like that are the type when a rapist comes up to them in a dark alley adopts the fetal position and yelps "Don't resist honey!"

It is a ridiculously common female fantasy to tame the "bad boy" and I see women that do this, but generally there is a tendency to have a fling with the bad boy and settle down with somebody more milquetoast. Which is rational as most men with a "dark side" are fairly degenerate and make terrible fathers. Still the fantasy lets them have it both ways, they get the bad boy, they get the good father, and they get the ego rush of having changed a man with the power of their vagina.

According to my wife (inb4lolwifebutgoesto4chan), this post is spot on regarding the ego rush thing. She's the only person I've ever been with, and I remain a loser, but thanks to this place and all the shitty continental books, I suppose I appear as scary and somewhat "mysterious" to people (think of that skinny guy who always looks like he is going for a shooting spree someday).

With that in mind, I get hit on back and forth from all kinds of women simply from wearing an engagement ring and all they want to know when they're talking to me is about my wife, more precisely things among the lines of what do we talk about and what we do when we are together. Then they start mimicking whatever I answer just to prove to themselves they have a better smelling vagina or something. Kinda sad when you start overanalyzing it rather than going with the flow, really, and I can never reciprocate because I know it's not about me at all, but about their own ego.

Youre wise, user. That's something.

This is true

What's even more fucked up is when you start to see more subtle versions of this underlying almost everything about your relationships with women.

I noticed that when I'm pursuing one girl in my social setting, even casually, not only do I act differently because my brain is in "Pursue That Girl" mode, she picks up on a thousand subtle signals of that and acts differently too, and the two are mutually reinforcing. But if I am casually going for lunch with 3-4 girls and not really caring which one I end up with, or if I don't end up with any of them and I'm perfectly happy with waiting for a 5th one to come along a month later, it's like I radiate "hey, take it or leave it, I don't care either way" at the women and they are much more receptive than when I was being like ":)!! Do I have your approval yet? Do I? Do I?"

Once you've experienced this concretely enough times, you can just force yourself to operate in that mode all the time, even if it's not actually true. I wish I could bottle the pure experience of this feeling and sell it to virgins. I sure as fuck could have used it back when I was still figuring out how to get laid.

>makes fun about virgins giving advice about females
>gives advice about females
lol

>. But if I am casually going for lunch with 3-4 girls and not really caring which one I end up with, or if I don't end up with any of them and I'm perfectly happy with waiting for a 5th one to come along a month later, it's like I radiate "hey, take it or leave it, I don't care either way" at the women and they are much more receptive than when I was being like ":)!! Do I have your approval yet? Do I? Do I?"
Ive been acting this way for years and still can't fuck

>even if it's not true
It becomes true..

>makes fun of Le virgin males
>writes 6 paragraphs on the complexities of female sexuality on the literary board of a Chinese Fan Collecting website

Yes.

The jackpot for a woman is finding a wealthy, handsome, 'alpha' male who they can tame into a committed relationship with them. It's why every female based love story ever including 50 Shades is this.

If you want to increase your chances with women then rather obviously becoming fitter , wealthier and more charismatic will help. But don't sweat it, just like most men realise were not going to have sex with super models nightly most women realise they won't be getting a fantasy character.

Then you lack experience.

>Does a rich man, with fancy stuff, and who has some "dark past" which kinda hurts them and which is going to be fixed by the girl, is something that makes them excited?

Yes, this is entirely sufficient for about 95% of the world's women.

People that don't realize how shallow, vain, and overall one-dimensional most women are simply not attractive or wealthy enough, and so their perspective is skewed by their own inadequacies.

Get fit and win the lotto, suddenly you realize most women are fucking pathetic (like most men are).

>think of that skinny guy who always looks like he is going for a shooting spree someday
NO ONE finds this kind of man attractive. NO ONE.

You would be surprised, ESPECIALLY if said man is also tall and/or ottermode. Benetwat cumberpants is a school shooter lanklet autist in Sherlock and has fucking legions of fangirls.

Give somebody with that type a musical instrument and suddenly they're not far off from that musician look.

If they're less school shooter and more dorky they can be Joseph Gordon-Levitt or Andrew Garfield.

>Somehow this eludes most people.
because it never happens, people don't change character that radically and women then wonder "why do I always fall for the wrong guys???"

>Women don't want a one-dimensional person

>Benetwat cumberpants is a school shooter lanklet autist in Sherlock and has fucking legions of fangirls.

Yes but he is a hyper-genius autist who is literally saving the day every episode. Not the same as a hyper-autist somewhat smart guy who couldn't save himself from single status even if he wanted to.

Nothing about it is realistic. That's why they love it.

Women want a good looking 3 dimensional person who looks good in 2 dimensions and a personality need not be allocated.

He can also hold his own in a fight, which is part of why being tall or otter is *really* important for girls that want a skinny guy because if you're not one of those two things every guy will be able to kick your ass mercilessly. He protects the weak with brawn and brain, but is skinny enough to have great collarbones and cheekbones. The police and local villainy respect him, and the women want him.

The "School shooter" type gets that nickname because they're so impotent people think they're gonna snap and bring a gun to school so they can finally win a fight for once. They're also overwhelmingly pseuds, and nobody knows who their name is, and often are just referred to as "That school shooter kid".

Nonetheless, the point I was making was that women DID like the skinny school shooter type, but they have to meet a fuckton of criteria a lot of which is genetic.

>Implying girls want 3dpd men

>Yeah, that's why friendzone exists
>I'm such a nice guy! I'm always nice to her and she won't have sex with me!
if you're only friends with someone to get into the position to cajole them into sex, you're not a friend.

that's what women want- not what happens.

dare i...post it?

>if you're only friends with someone to get into the position to cajole them into sex, you're not a friend.

lmao an actual woman wrote this post.

literally the only way a guy could be actual friends with a decent looking woman is if you were already the gf of one of their mates and they had respect for that guy and wouldn't ever want to try any shit there. then you're like sort of half-friends or three-quarters-friends at best.

if he's straight and you're single and cute and you're both "friends" he wants to fuck you, idiot. if he says he doesn't he's lying.

This post doesn't actually contradict what this post is saying at all.

>white female
me being white is like im rich to colored girls?
i live in monochrome country so idk

It's best to not think too much about sexual attraction desu, because there's a high risk of becoming a misanthrope. Or, if you have the courage/faith, a celibate monk.
Both men and women are, for the most part, vain and superficial. Take it for what it is and don't let it mess with your life too much.

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>It's best to not think too much about sexual attraction desu

I wouldn't recommend it. I ignored my sexual drive for 10 years, and now I don't even look at women as sexual entities at all, and feel literally nothing about them.

Just a warning. If you actually want a relationship, try to get one before you turn into a cold shell like me.

>some "dark past" which kinda hurts them and which is going to be fixed by the girl
This is the key concept, as already mentioned by several posts above.

In your typical boy's fantasy, think genre fiction, user vanquishes a monster through his amazing phallic powers, and wins a girl.

In your typical girl's fantasy, think YA or porn, femanon vanquishes a monster through her amazing vaginal powers, and wins a self.

As long as you understand that the telos is different, you can analyze the similarities.

A masochistic boy's fantasy wouldn't be some rule 63 50 Shades.

user wholeheartedly accepts the dominatrix for who she is, he's not trying to fix anything of her, he doesn't want to take the savage abuser out of her, he likes her because she treates him like shit.

user labors to win the mistress's heart, not put a band-aid on it by giving the unhappy vampire a big hug, that makes the darkness go away, and turns the wild animal into a domesticated, objectified pet.

Yeah, tag the one bit that actually requests a book. Wipe the scales from your eyes, smurfette.

>women can't be friends
Sounds about right.

Shut up whore this is a men's website

>a rich man, with fancy stuff
of course they do. you can follow that sentence with anything and there are herds of hot women who would kill each other clawing for the chance to be with the man with money.