I did horribly in school, but I still like to think of myself as somewhat intellectual, if not a vibrant individual...

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It's not so much that listening to mainstream views makes you intelligent, but when you're not stupid enough to believe in fake news, you've stepped up into a new precedent of intelligence which is honestly pretty decent compared to vast amounts of what human beings think. No, it doesn't make you intelligent, but I think that I am pretty proud of myself that I don't believe in myths and superstition. Also, I understand the greenhouse effect, and how carbon emissions are responsible for our warming atmosphere, which is pretty much a consensus by scientists around the world. No, it doesn't make you that smart, it just means I'm not a neanderthal, which I find to be a pretty good accomplishment as far as human beings go. I also have some surplus intelligence to boot.

OP, you should have said something about Jordan Peterson if you really wanted this thread to take off.

That's okay. Looks like you can neither use proper grammar nor proper vocabulary. Stick to German.

Well, if it helps, I think Jordan Peterson is a moron. His debate with Sam Harris, where he tried to say that Darwinism is the cause of morality, and where he's always going on about beta males and male feminists being "creepy", and refusing to use trans people's pronouns, and falsifying studies to support his points of view on television shows, and fucking crying like a bitch about the world not accepting jesus into their heart on new years; really does make him come off like a pretty pathetic loser to me. He also loves to generalize about liberals, in a way which always comes off as condescending and prickish. He's just a charlatan to me.

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>He also loves to generalise about liberals, in a way which always comes off as condescending and prickish.

Peterson is hardly against liberals at all and is generally complementary of them?

He's against certain elements of the left, but he's for liberals, liberals having a hardon for free speech.

Either this is a bait post, or you are average and should immediately learn a trade such as welding or plumbing. This is not meant to be offensive. Embrace your nature; you will be happier in the long run.

He's straw manning the left. He's saying that they want to take away freedom of speech because he got kicked off of his college campus for espousing negative views towards trans people. It should be the job of an institution to keep people like that out of it. A school should be a place which is inclusive and gives people the tools to fight ignorance and bigotry, not confirm it. It's no surprise he would bitch about freedom of speech after losing his job, he's just like every other bigoted right winger.

>he's always going on about beta males and male feminists being "creepy"

Out of everything Peterson is wrong about, the one thing he's not wrong about is that male feminists adopt beliefs they know they're wrong in the pursuit of pussy. I don't believe for a second those men are not looking for approval from women. Why they never succeed is largely because they're so busy getting approval from women they never get approval by men and thus are correctly judged as useless by women at advancing any sort of cause.

He has also ravaged the MGTOW movement heavily associated with the mens rights movement.

The thing he's most wrong about is his brainlet views on economics, economic inequality = efficiency!

>It should be the job of an institution to keep people like that out of it. A school should be a place which is inclusive

Are you baiting?

Forgot quote

>I did horribly in school
>it's not that I couldn't get the work, it's just that I couldn't get the work
>I don't have the patience for fiction most of the time
>I still like to think of myself as somewhat intellectual

I refuse to believe you are a real person.

>Are you baiting?
Why do you think that's bait?

>male feminists adopt beliefs they know they're wrong in the pursuit of pussy.
Strawman
> I don't believe for a second those men are not looking for approval from women
redundant
>Why they never succeed is largely because they're so busy getting approval from women they never get approval by men and thus are correctly judged as useless by women at advancing any sort of cause.
What is this mind fuck of a sentence?
>Are you baiting?
Honestly no, and because this is text and not face to face, you'll just have to give me the benefit of the doubt. I'm sick of people crying hurr durr bait when half the time it's not even bait. That's not to say I never bait.

Jordan Peterson goes on all the time about how the alpha male gets the girl, and whatever, this red pill nonsense. It's hilarious that he has an audience at all, and to be honest if there was another website that offered total anonymity, I would use it. Veeky Forums is filled with retards like you who believe in this sort of shit, and yeah when it's not lulzy and stuff like that, it gets really fucking tiring.
>He has also ravaged the MGTOW movement heavily associated with the mens rights movement.
I don't know what this is.
>The thing he's most wrong about is his brainlet views on economics, economic inequality = efficiency!
Well, you got me there. If he believes in government run programs that give people their basis human rights for free, then I agree.

I dunno, because creating inclusion by kicking people off campus is about as nonsensical as bombing for peace?

>gives people the tools to fight ignorance and bigotry, not confirm it.

Is also fairly retarded when your approach to doing so is kicking people off campus with a different opinion. That's like learning how to fight the right wing by exclusively reading marxist literature. If Peterson's views are incorrect than letting him express such views will result in people seeing what you did, they will see a charlatan who is wrong. The church tried to get people to not turn to the devil by simply excommunicating and shunning heretics and look at how that worked out for them.

Somehow Peterson who believes that women need to pop out babies and believe in Jesus to be happy comes off more Liberal than most '''''Liberals''''' these days because at least he believes in free speech. The left is too concerned with protecting the left and muh vulnerable trannies to defend liberalism anymore. We're on a fucking literature board, literature regularly ending up in bonfires, on pretty much the most free speech friendly major website on the internet, and still people shill for people with problematic opinions being kicked off campuses.

> Veeky Forums is filled with retards like you who believe in this sort of shit, and yeah when it's not lulzy and stuff like that, it gets really fucking tiring.
>when it's not lulzy

Not everybody has to use Veeky Forums has a release valve after a long day of cognitive dissonance when you laugh at social justice warrior jokes on Veeky Forums and then pretend to be one out of a need for virtue signalling.

I mean I understand, if you need to self-delude yourself into thinking its nonsense to think successful men, colloquialized as "alpha" men, get more women, Peterson broadly using the term to mean virtually any type of success, of course you need to go on something like Veeky Forums to not go fucking insane, it's stressful to live a lie.

>I did horribly in school, but I still like to think of myself as somewhat intellectual, if not a vibrant individual
You and every other special snowflake on the internet. Back to Tumblr with you.

>Is also fairly retarded when your approach to doing so is kicking people off campus with a different opinion.
It stops being a difference of opinion when your professor is openly refusing to use people's preferred name; not even their preferred pronoun, their preferred fucking name; and then goes and has a big debate about why you shouldn't respect people with gender identity differences. It's so superfluous a debate, and such an affront to basic human dignity, it's no surprise he got fired. He deserves it.
>The left is too concerned with protecting the left and muh vulnerable trannies to defend liberalism anymore.
Just want to point out that the rest of your point is redundant too. It's just weak bait, low hanging fruit, talking shit about trans people.

Whine all you want about free speech when colleges are privately owned and operated. Regardless, basic human dignity should be a virtue. You whine so much about freedom of speech, you make these condescending remarks about "deluding myself into believing in feminism" and then blowing off steam on this board. But who's the one who trying to have a discussion here? At least I don't resort to all these ad hominem attacks, just because you hold a position I disagree with. You're such a weak troll.

Lmao Peterson was on Stefan Molyneux's show.

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>your professor is openly refusing to use people's preferred name; not even their preferred pronoun, their preferred fucking name;

No he didn't, you clearly barely remember the issue since this is not the only thing you have wrong, he wasn't fired he was threatened with two written letters by U of T but it seems at this point he won't be fired.

See
ohrc.on.ca/en/questions-and-answers-about-gender-identity-and-pronouns

>Refusing to refer to a trans person by their chosen name and a personal pronoun that matches their gender identity, or purposely misgendering, will likely be discrimination when it takes place in a social area covered by the Code, including employment, housing and services like education. The law is otherwise unsettled as to whether someone can insist on any one gender-neutral pronoun in particular.

The issue is the word "and" rather than "or". Peterson has never refused or even taken issue with being asked to use a persons name. He has addressed transgender people by their preferred pronouns during interviews multiple times. He takes issue with the compulsion and the language not definitively saying you would be compelled to call somebody by a specific pronoun, believing singular they to be ungrammatical and "zee" to be a social construction by radical leftists nobody will ever use, while saying he would use any language that comes into popular use on his own. His issue is the government changing language via compelled speech.

The lefts argument is basically "No, the courts won't force you to use a specific pronoun" and the rights argument is "Well then the law should make that clear" and the lefts argument is "You're making an issue out of something that will never become relevant" Nobody even disagrees on the main points Peterson is actually making, so much as they disagree if it's even an issue, if Peterson is a non-lawyer making noise for no reason, or if he's touching on a worrying lack of clarity in the law that gives power to power tripping judges.

Peterson is so civil about this issue relative to most people against bill C-16 that if you're kicking him off campus over this issue you're effectively banning all dissent.

This has derailed far off of Veeky Forums discussion right into /pol/ discussion but part of the reason I'm into Veeky Forums is because I feel Petersons criticisms of post-modernism ring a bit hollow so I'm here starting with the Greeks to find out if there is anything right in what he says. I get seriously buttflustered when people who are vaguely familiar with the case approve of the man losing his job though.

>At least I don't resort to all these ad hominem attacks

That's because you're a faggot.

>while saying he would use any language that comes into popular use on his own.

correction, meant "while saying he would use any language that comes into popular use on ITS own."

Yeah man I'm high on that dick. Oh, yeah, what up. It's ironic because you called me a faggot and I said I'm high on that dick.

No he didn't, you clearly barely remember the issue since this is not the only thing you have wrong, he wasn't fired he was threatened with two written letters by U of T but it seems at this point he won't be fired.
I see.
>The issue is the word "and" rather than "or". Peterson has never refused or even taken issue with being asked to use a persons name.
I was using the good faith of a friend of mine who told me he refused to use their preferred name, and I do not know. I know that he won't use pronouns such as ze or zer or whatever. I read that on his wiki page, he refuses to use those words because "marxism is a murderous ideology" and he "won't be a marxist puppet" for using those words, which is stupid.
>Peterson is so civil about this issue relative to most people against bill C-16 that if you're kicking him off campus over this issue you're effectively banning all dissent.
Whether or not people should be forced to call people by preferred pronouns in public, that sounds like a complicated legal battle. I do believe very strongly in free speech, but it remains that he's doing this on college campuses where you should respect your students.
>I get seriously buttflustered when people who are vaguely familiar with the case approve of the man losing his job though.
If you want to learn about his points of view, then go watch this documentary about social marixism. It's this crack pot theory that this alt right guy who used to troll me for fun (but I kept him around on my facebook friends list because it was funny) sent me this one time. It sounds strikingly similar and it's fucking bullshit.
youtube.com/watch?v=gIdBuK7_g3M
>That's because you're a faggot.
What a towering intellectual.

The issue I was having with Peterson is the whole "cultural marxism", "Neo-marxism", his complaints about "Critical theory", and "post-modernism" thing.

He very conspiratorially talks about teachers using their students as footsoldiers in a Marxist vanguard. I believe living in a university surrounded by far left folk has warped his views a bit because I don't think regular people, even very left leaning ones, subscribe to the ideas he rails against.

I feel that Peterson has his finger on the pulse of a real issue but has been seriously spooked by a non-existent threat. I've realised I would never learn the truth by staying within the realm of politics though, so I'm here on Veeky Forums trying to work my way up to post-modern philosophy to see if Peterson is really full of shit or if I'm just ignorant.

>I feel that Peterson has his finger on the pulse of a real issue

well i dont know exactly what he's arguing but if it's that gender dysphoria isn't being treated properly by loading kids up on hormones and giving them fake tits, that's probably true. i don't have a problem with transgenderism, but only if it's an aesthetic lifestyle choice, if you feel you are "in the wrong body" then you need to deal with that, not chop your dick off, clearly the massive suicide rate of trans people shows whatever "treatment" they are getting now isn't helping them

I wouldn't even say transgenderism is the issue he's really discussing, it's more that bill C-16 is the hill he chose to die on, the fact it's about transgenderism isn't that important. If it was just about that people would have forgotten about the issue already because that's well less than 0.1% of the population, and the issue isn't even so much around male/female transgenderism which Peterson wholly accepts, it's about gender nonconforming transgenderism which are a tiny subset of a tiny population. If the issue was just about that, people would have stopped talking about it a long time ago.

Recently there was a huge shitshow over cultural appropriation for context. First white woman had her exhibit shut down at a gallery for appropriating native artwork after people complained saying she didn't financially contribute to or consult with the tribe. Then, somebody else in Canada creating a "cultural appropriation prize" for writers, encouraging writers to culturally appropriate others. Some people tweeted support saying they would contribute to the prize. People lost their shit, the person who wrote the article lost their job at a magazine, a person who was an editor I think at The National on CBC got kicked out of his job and sent to retraining basically. There were countless articles talking about how this is adding more hurt to an already disadvantaged population who had a culture forced onto them and now can't maintain their own individual culture. Other articles coming out saying this is about free speech and nobody has an exclusive right to culture and that cultures borrow from each-other all the time and how it's a hell of a concept you can culturally appropriate from a population and they can't culturally appropriate from you, and also the media is trying to enforce one correct point of view about this issue through coercion.

I think what he's arguing for, more fundamentally, is that people should have the right to free speech, to offend others, that we should invite people that offend others to speak publicly, because that's how we learn, that's how we created the most tolerant societies in the world, and the end goal isn't getting rid of free speech because we know better now. That the government and powerful institutions shouldn't be in the business of controlling speech, because that's dangerous.

Whereas the contrary position is that people are being oppressed by peoples speech, THEIR freedom of speech is being threatened by constant harassment just trying to live in society and go to school and get a job causing them to leave the public sphere, we're seeing victimised populations be revictimised by insensitive bigots, and some reasonable limited restrictions on what you can say aren't a restriction on free speech, but merely a restriction on hate speech.

Again I'm on Veeky Forums because people seem to be massively spooked no matter what position they hold on the issue and want to be informed.

Just wanted to point out that this is not the person you were having the conversation with, or the person who started the thread. Fucking vomit.

Why do you perceive yourself as intelligent when there is no proof? Is it because you are measuring yourself against sub 100 IQ cretins?

This is such an obvious bait that it might be truthful.

Pre-2017 list I would think this is bait, but now I just accept it.

Stop making fucking lists