FUCK PATENTS

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

We need to get rid of the concept of 'patents' in science entirely. Science isn't business or art as your work in it isn't aesthetic, it is a model to explain a specific way of looking at a process or a thing in this universe that will in the future be replaced by a better model.

It will probably be used by someone in the future to discover something else or better. If someone cites your work and literally copy pastes your entire report, it doesn't matter as it isn't affecting the long term benefits of that finding. What should matter is how true or empirically replicatable your findings are.

Attached: bullshit.jpg (1.07 MB, 1148x696)

All urls found in this thread:

sciencealert.com/china-just-overtook-us-in-scientific-output-first-time-published-research

DeathDog
DeathDog

hey let's get rid of 100% of the monetary incentive to continue doing science

why don't we just all revert to communism while we're at it

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

this should never come into play, the only thing differentiating science from business and religion is that its predicated on an honest application of skill and intelligence. Destroying this by underpaying or coercing scientists with the journal/peer-review system is dangerous for the species. There will be long term consequences to letting the market decide the priorities of humanity user

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Who instead should decide the priorities of humanity?
The market is just the applied, unconscious wants and need of humanity. What better than humans to decide what humans want and need?

Bidwell
Bidwell

The market is just the applied, unconscious wants and need of humanity.
no it's not
Who instead should decide the priorities of humanity?
rational planning according to social need

iluvmen
iluvmen

So you're conflating the patent system with underpayment and bureaucratic coercion, why?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

rational planning according to social need

which works great until you realize that an authoritarian politburo is shitty at responding to the fickle demands of a human economy and ends up Holodomor-ing millions of people

Communism was an alright hypothesis written by a chill dude with a beard. Humans tested it experimentally and the results all point to the fact that it sucks ass

Playboyize
Playboyize

Because the (((big corporations))) will eat up every idea immediately and have a monopoly on it from day one.
This is a stupid childish idea

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

no it's not
What is the market if not that? The market is the natural sway of human wants and needs.
rational planning according to social need
Who knows more about what humanity needs than humanity?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

The market is the natural sway of human wants and needs
this doesn't mean what you want it to mean, nor is it logical.
Who knows more about what humanity needs than humanity?
AI and not the aggregate interests of massive populations
most Fortune 500 firms are owned and run by white people as are most large European and 99% of large Asian firms

whereismyname
whereismyname

Marx: "Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality will have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things. The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence."
It's pretty clear he wasn't advocating any "ideal" political or economic system, or set of policies. He just provided an in-depth analysis of the mechanics of history and capitalism and their relationship to the state. It would be pretty disingenuous to claim he prescribed some system for coordinating labor which was experimentally tested. Not only is it a fundamental misrepresentation, well-designed controlled experiments are impossible in sociology. Furthermore all the main predictions of his theory (LTV calculation of equilibrium prices, falling rate of profit, etc) have been empirically confirmed many times over.
What is the market if not that? The market is the natural sway of human wants and needs.
Deaths due to starvation and treatable/preventable disease don't exist because we don't have the means to solve them, but because it is not profitable to solve them. Drug cartels violently suppress their competitors not because it is what society wants, but because it is the most profitable option. America launches aggressive wars under false pretenses not because it is socially optimal, but because it is profitable. There are countless examples of cases where social need diverges from private profit. They characterize this entire epoch of history and cannot be defined away as you seek to do.
The problem with your claim is that it could apply to any mode of production. Feudalism is just "the natural sway of human wants and needs," because people 1) have wants and needs and 2) feudalism coordinates those with labor and resources in some sense, never mind the antagonisms integral to the system which made it unstable and generated capitalism. It's specious.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Before patents, the strategy was to keep everything secret and in house, this lead to a whole lotta duplicate research, lost knowledge, and stagnation.

The patent system makes knowledge public domain, and only temporarily limit others from profiting from the designs while securing the inventor's profit for a time, all while still allowing others to benefit from the research behind the discovery and inspire/modify their own efforts.

Copyright law is another issue... Mickey Mouse has gotten a tad out of hand.

Attached: CD-Rice-Bicycle-Patent.jpg (169 KB, 800x1168)

JunkTop
JunkTop

Humanity is notoriously stupid and short-sighted in terms of outlook and thus the market suffers the same issue.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Capitalism is the only pragmatic, practical, rational and logical way.

Any other way simply does not work.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Back to /pol/
Humans are too stupid for capitalism to work without screwing people over

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

why do you need no. 32?

5mileys
5mileys

Anyone with a rational mind will argue that capitalism is the only practical system that actually works. It is the only way to create wealth and prosperity.

Communist China has abandoned communism in order to develop itself.

Communism simply does not work with humans.

Capitalist dictatorships(Singapore, Dubai, Hong Kong) have extravagant standard of living compared to communist hellholes/shitholes.

cum2soon
cum2soon

This, the alternative to patents is significantly worse.

/pol/
capitalism
If I had saved some of the low IQ wojak memes I would post them now.

massdebater
massdebater

only way to create wealth and prosperity
Wealth is not a zero-sum game you tard.
You also seem to think criticising capitalism equates to being pro-communist

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Yes capitalism is the only ecosystem that enables the creation of wealth. Thinking that any other system can create wealth is pure delusion.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

"Creation of wealth" implies a non-zerosum game.

Criticism of capitalism is a communist thing. No one else believes that economic freedom is bad.

Emberfire
Emberfire

say goodbye to drugs

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Wouldn't it be the opposite? They would have to keep coming up with new ones more frequently to stay ahead of the competition.

eGremlin
eGremlin

you make it sound like if they just tried a bit harder they could pull a couple more out of a bag

drug development is hard risky expensive and uncertain. things fail for retarded random reasons. no patent = you literally can’t make money

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Humans are too stupid for capitalism to work without screwing people over
Meanwhile Humans are too stupid for communism to work

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

I agree. We should even abolish capitalism while we're at it

Attached: communist.png (122 KB, 863x658)

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

drug development is hard risky expensive and uncertain.
Not even OP, but you're falling for their meme-tier propaganda. Look at their operating budgets. 75% goes to marketing while 10% goes to R&D.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

think about what you said and whether or not it actually contradicts what i said

Booteefool
Booteefool

Regardless of that, it's still hard, expensive and risky. Do you even know what clinical trials are and how they work?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

This

King_Martha
King_Martha

I bet you're a stoner neet. only way someone could hold such a retarded, ill thought out opinion

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

you say that like communism has worked in even a single country

Nojokur
Nojokur

Wasn’t risk and competition the base for capitalism? If it’s so difficult to develop better drugs then competition will happen to create better drugs and once they are found it would be to make them cheaper until finding a new better one

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

I write patents for a living. The purpose of patents is to make sure that information remains public. Patents protect the inventor for 20 years in exchange for making all their research and findings available to everyone. This prevents people from hiding what they're doing in a corner.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

I dunno how all this became about capitalism vs. communism, when patents are blatantly anti-capitalism.

Providing a mechanism through which the public can share knowledge is more of a communist thing. It's also anti-competition, discouraging companies from hiding secrets from one another in order to beat one another out. Only difference between this and "true communism" being that the government is declaring who owns what property by law - and """communist""" governments have had no problems declaring intellectual property secret or banned themselves.

Attached: Using-That-Word.png (51 KB, 500x300)

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

countries that break patents scare away private funding for research, logically.

research is expensive and risky. Imagine spending tens of millions on a project for a particular medicine and then after 10 years it turns out it's bunk/too harmful? High risk requires high reward.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

You're implying that drug R&D will cease if we stop granting anticompetitive monopolies in the form of patents, but that is clearly false since drug company R&D expenditures are already negligible. It will simply force drug companies to invest more in research to stay ahead of the competition. When has a monopoly *ever* resulted in lower prices or more innovation?

Attached: 1519935663208.jpg (9 KB, 262x263)

DeathDog
DeathDog

But that's wrong. China is outspending the US on research, and also advancing faster because it doesn't have a ton of IP restrictions. Get off your corporate cock.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

China is advancing faster

no shit man, they have a huge savings rate and are extremely poor. savings => investment.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

advancing faster

lmaooaoooooooooooo

give ONE example

idontknow
idontknow

Do the dairy estrogens interfere with your frontal lobes and keep you from using punctuation?

sciencealert.com/china-just-overtook-us-in-scientific-output-first-time-published-research

Attached: 1515611867044.jpg (84 KB, 591x572)

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

drug company R&D expenditures are already negligible
Are you retarded?

Playboyize
Playboyize

We can keep them in engineering though right

TreeEater
TreeEater

researchers in the US and the EU produce more papers (and patents) on biomedical science

StonedTime
StonedTime

10% is bigger than 75%
Nice reading comprehension. Seriously, congrats on this.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Wealth is not a zero-sum game you tard.

That's some great information considering he never even said that in his post

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

'Scientific output' means raw numbers of papers published. Look at the numbers of papers that the US publishes in Nature versus the number of papers that China publishes in the Shenzhen Journal of Who-Gives-A-Shit?

Disable AdBlock to view this page

Disable AdBlock to view this page

Confirm your age

This website may contain content of an adult nature. If you are under the age of 18, if such content offends you or if it is illegal to view such content in your community, please EXIT.

Enter Exit

About Privacy

We use cookies to personalize content and ads, to provide social media features and to analyze our traffic. We also share information about your use of our site with our advertising and analytics partners.

Accept Exit