So how did this retarded ass shit get into schools?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

So how did this retarded ass shit get into schools?

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Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Lobbying

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

In the 1990s schools started adopting standardized testing to judge teacher performance, leading to 10+ different standards. The Federal government realized the possibilities and then passed the No Child Left Behind Act in 2002, which mandated standardized testing and tied funding to it. There was then 50 different standards, the solution to which was by creating one standard - the Common Core which was more or less forced on all K12s in 2013.

Does this answer your question OP.

Supergrass
Supergrass

But how does such a backwards ass method of computation get put into schools?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

because it was already there, nobody noticed because it didn't have a name. It worked fine for it's purpose and not taken out of context like most people do on the Internet.

This isn't to defend the CC though. It effectively centralizes national education into one office, destroying the ability for local schools to teach what they want. This is bad and only lends itself to abuse, just look at who's President.

Firespawn
Firespawn

trump wasn't a product of nor voted in by common core students

Snarelure
Snarelure

What exactly is common core and where does the weird math come in?

WebTool
WebTool

You just split the numbers up to make addition simpler then add everything back together, there are some really stupid examples though, and it's entirely unnecessary.

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Lunatick
Lunatick

I feel dumb, what's the 11 1 doing?

Booteefool
Booteefool

They're just trying to teach number sense

Soft_member
Soft_member

thats 2 tens

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

its actually a lot better in terms of math curriculum. Its about time we stop bringing this down and carrying that. Long division is abysmal. Common Core actually gives kids a fundamental idea of what it means to divide one number by another.

takes2long
takes2long

there's literally nothing wrong with cc

iluvmen
iluvmen

Long Division is fine, but at this point I just multiply the number by a decimal to do the same thing.

Actually I don't even remember how to do long division.

likme
likme

How do you know its "fine" then? It really isn't. Its a hack and a baroque one at that.

Emberburn
Emberburn

(((them)))

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

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Illusionz
Illusionz

It effectively centralizes national education into one office, destroying the ability for local schools to teach what they want.

CC is the bare minimum though fora school to adhere to. If a state school wants to go above that it's up to them.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

The real retarded shit, was mainstreaming the disabled students. Used to be the mentally defective and slow went to their own classes. Now they're mixed in with the general population.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

There's nothing wrong with it. Going through addition problems in convoluted ways is to help you understand how addition works.

Emberfire
Emberfire

now try to do the common core method on a time attack with only 5 minutes for 50 additions

WebTool
WebTool

the negroes, spictards, and the genderfluid fuckfaces needed a way to keep the whores of government taxes sucking the life from the nation, so tardworks CC was devised - passing retards due to general lack of discipline and morality for the payday bucks has become top priority, importing shit at higher and higher illegal rates causes the exponentially increasing speed - prepare for gender fluid neutral eubo-spanish rap reading, etc...

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

People who complain about CC math are people who don't understand math and basically treated it in school as a memorization class

Is CC math fast and simple? no and no
and that's the way it should be to LEARN the fundamentals of math and build a stable foundation for harder math

Once you understand, memorizing simple shortcuts is meaningless

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Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Doesn't even teach RPN. The Chad of math.

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Spazyfool
Spazyfool

I remember when I was graduating high school they had us take a practice exam because they were implementing it the next year. We all took it as a joke and I remember one kid going on pornhub

viagrandad
viagrandad

now try to do the common core method on a time attack
Why would you?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Americans.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

and that's the way it should be to LEARN the fundamentals of math and build a stable foundation for harder math
If only CC actually helped with that.

WebTool
WebTool

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Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Common Core is a set of standards and goals. It does not define the specific methods used to meet the learning goals. Your problem is with shitty textbook authors, not Common Core.

Also it's how you do math in your head anyway, it's not stupid.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute


This isn't to defend the CC though. It effectively centralizes national education into one office, destroying the ability for local schools to teach what they want.
schools teaching whatever they want is how we ended up with west virginia schools dropping their standards through the floor to boost their graduation rates with the effect that everyone who goes to college has to take remedial courses in everything to catch up

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Who cares, everyone knows public school is shit. This is targeted to hurt children of based red states by making them all graduate with worse grades. It's about the grades, not the content.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

And that's half as terrible

Snarelure
Snarelure

You can't keep recreating the simple into the complex for retards, and keep hoping the retarded can finally get the simplest of concepts, all so that you can get your god damned teacher tax money and help the poor oppressed idiots pass, while you piss on the rest that are smart enough to immediately acquire the concepts by the old method.

You're dumbing down and slowing down the entire group so the retards can play "equal", which they of course never achieve. It's a new modern crime. Consider putting the moron and retards back where they belong, in the remedial dumb as shit class with each other, and letting the gifted achieve. This, is now, considered "unfair", as everyone must coddle the tards, in every movement, in every way, in every "lesson".

Emberfire
Emberfire

wut the fuck ?

RumChicken
RumChicken

What's the cc meme and why do burgers seem to flip over it?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

I guess this is modular arithmetic? "hidden partners" means inverses? I don't know what those circles are for or what a "number bond" is.
this guy makes a good point. local jurisdiction also gets us bullshit like red state schools cutting out evolution
yeah looking back this is what bothers me, the teachers never taught towards the smart kids

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

that wouldn't surprise me at all after seeing this fbi and doj psycho felony marauding...
not like it used to be where sanity flowed from the fed gov - something one could be proud of...

Methnerd
Methnerd

The public school I went to in leafland had a sort of no child left behind policy until high school, where math split into 4 streams/levels. The result was:
teachers dumbing down class so everyone could pass
smart kids do fine with no work
smart kids don't learn discipline
they get to highschool
do ok, but not well because they never study
school declares that all is well because average on final exams was a pass
kids get to college
get slaughtered because they have no discipline and never learned how to "read" a math book

Getting a national minimum standard that college instructors can expect and work with is better that the "just pass them lmao", but it could be streamlined for the non-idiots too.

Bidwell
Bidwell

So the answer to "our schools are shit" is "we shouldn't try to improve them"? That's fucking dumb.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

exactly, the result is a dumbing down overall heading toward the lowliest idiot, never gets there, but stupidity is increased

RavySnake
RavySnake

that's what they've claimed they were doing, and instead they destroyed them
at some point you have to wake up
you got played dozens of time already, when do you get smarter ?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

I don't really understand why people blame public institutions for the faluts of the corrupt hoarders who fuck over said institutions with shit policies that only function to fill their own pockets.
And by "don't understand" I mean stop voting red while they plung your ass repeatedly.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

not like it used to be where sanity flowed from the fed gov - something one could be proud of...
"When I was a boy, the imperial walls used to make me feel safe."

whereismyname
whereismyname

I don't really understand why people blame public institutions for the faults of the corrupt hoarders who fuck over said institutions with shit policies that only function to fill their own pockets.
Because they're inseparable?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

We've separated gods and Kings, yet you think school can't be separated from policies?
:/

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

waaaaaah why can't I reliably offload the responsibility of parenting my spawn to the state.
A variety of private schools exist to serve your needs, most of which are less shit than public schooling. Homeschooling exists for those that can't afford that, contrary to popular belief it's not just an education path exclusive to young earth creationist retard families.

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massdebater
massdebater

Man I wish I lived in your fantasy. Sounds pretty great.

iluvmen
iluvmen

they're not inseparable at all.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

>>>/reddit/

massdebater
massdebater

well, not nothing wrong but its a major improvement

everyone knows public school is shit
well apparently yours was.

saying public schools are shit is a useless complaint and without context its meaningless. public schools produce more scientists and mathematicians than private schools. private schools are ran like military barracks. so, relative to private school, no they arent shit.

This is targeted to hurt children of based red states by making them all graduate with worse grades.
wouldnt be a right winger without a victim complex.

sorry cletus, you cant flunk math exams and pull As anymore. thoughts & prayers for you.

you can get your god damned teacher tax money and help the poor oppressed idiots pass, while you piss on the rest that are smart enough to immediately acquire the concepts by the old method.

if youre too dumb to get in the honors classes, thats on you. i was in every honor and AP class except history. never had this problem.

"muh teacher tax money" mhm. i bet you hate that foreign students are better prepared than a lot of US students too. yet you want to further cut compensation of our teachers. wanna know how i know youre a flyover?

sorry that you were too dumb for the honors classes. thoughts & prayers.

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JunkTop
JunkTop

How about the context is that school only exists to give a massive bureaucratic class pensions and that public school kids will never have the same affinity/networking that private schools promote.

There's a reason why virtually all public schools allow cell phones and why the most elite silicon valley privates DON'T allow personal electronics.

sorry cletus, you cant flunk math exams and pull As anymore. thoughts & prayers for you.

You stupid fucking idiot. Public schools are mass daycare and they waste the cognitive computation of millions upon millions of children on irrelevant bullshit.

private schools are ran like military barracks

You mean they take out distractions and enable kids to learn? Woooahhhh man that's fucked up.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

CONT

if youre too dumb to get in the honors classes, thats on you. i was in every honor and AP class except history. never had this problem.

Honors and AP are only taken by a minority of students. Most public school kids have to deal with the fuckups of retarded adults. And imagine if you're poor and get free breakfast/lunch. What a shitty diet they slop onto children.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

CONT

Not to mention that the selection of honors and AP varies from school to school to the point where a lot of them don't have much other than 2 or 3 classes.

But that's okay, just double down on your retarded perspective that never examined all the fucked up systems that converge on "public schools" whether it be the mass misappropriation of money on administrative positions, perks, and pensions, or on shitty food that's bound to prep you for pre-diabetes. Or 11,000+ schools that haven't tested for lead in their drinking water....

viagrandad
viagrandad

yeah because honors classes are so much better, still taught by a retard on still at a curriculum rate that is laughable compared to what children are capable of if given the opportunity and environment. My grade 9 ap math was linear equations and we spent half of the time on y=mx+b just spamming equations and graphs with no lecture time.

askme
askme

Just came into this thread. You idiots are honestly have no idea why common core is useful. I'm a huge proponent of common core. It's simple and merit based.

What the fuck are you supposed to do? What the fuck do you propose in order to change it? Common core established a COMMON core of topics students should learn and understand before leaving high school. How on earth is that a bad thing? And then people are against standardized tests for a means of evaluation? What the fuck, how are you against standardized tests? How else are you supposed to evaluate students?????

You guys JUST DON'T GET IT. This is a public school system. They don't have all the money in the world. If you want a private school education, as you suggest, maybe you should spend 5k a year sending your child to a private school. Oh, and maybe give them a school uniform so their life sucks a bit more. You think shoving every kid on earth into a private school will suddenly fix everything? Try it and within 5 years (after you've gained enough experimental data, of course), then you'll see all those "retards" from public school are still retards in the newly heavily flooded private schools that are all of a sudden underfunded or their prices have quadrupled. God, you morons fucking infuriate me. Common core is not perfect, but it does a damn good job of providing a strong basis of education for students across the entire country of millions upon millions of students.

And then you're complaining about the school lunches? Dude, are you fucking stupid? Now they're supposed to have gourmet 10$ lunches every day, catered to their individual interests? Give me a fucking break. Go be a moron somewhere else.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Parents giving their age 6-14 year old a 1 thousand dollar smart phone because reasons
Modern society is sickening.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

This is a public school system. They don't have all the money in the world.
The only reason this is true is because the electorate is ok with it. Basing an argument around "this is the best we can do" when its in your control to change the circumstance is utterly retarded.
school uniform so their life sucks a bit more
Yeah it must suck having an equalizer so that kids from poor families have one less vulnerable vector for social pressure.
And then you're complaining about the school lunches
There have literally been cases where the food supplied to schools was rotten and inedible, and just to play on american culture : other cases where the food was rated unacceptable for prisons. Tacitly that means society cares more about the quality of life of convicts than school children.

You said it best yourself.
Go be a moron somewhere else.

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Snarelure
Snarelure

school only exists to give a massive bureaucratic class pensions
Public schools are mass daycare
ah you mustve been in the remedial courses with the other tards who unironically wore full camo outfits everyday. guess you need to blend in so a bear doesnt attack you in the lunchroom.

virtually all public schools allow cell phones and why the most elite silicon valley privates DON'T allow personal electronics
wtf are you even saying. cell phones are not what makes a school good or bad. the absolute state of flyover education

You mean they take out distractions

uh no. i mean the teachers have massive authoritarian complexes and have fetishes to bark orders, demand submission and punish kids for wrong answers.
isnt it so funny that the """"freedom fighters"""" apologize for schools that have no freedom? almost as if theyre actually authoritarian losers.

Honors and AP are only taken by a minority of students.
like i said, if you arent smart enough to get in, thats your fault. you dont even need to be that smart, your parents can call and get you in.
i mean here you are bitching about schools and cell phones but you didnt even make the effort to get in honors classes
whether it be the mass misappropriation of money on administrative positions, perks, and pensions
objectively false. gas station cashiers make as much as school teachers in several states. its not much better in the others.
as far as admins go, yeah there are some corrupt ones. especially if youre in a state that guts regulations on it.
if you think public school admins are overpaid, wait til you see how much private school admins make
<insert hypocritical excuse as to why its okay for private admins to be ridiculously overpaid>
its just so funny you worship private schools when theyre just embezzlement fronts for the wealthy """""school choice""""" pigs like devos

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SniperWish
SniperWish

or on shitty food that's bound to prep you for pre-diabetes.
thanks, reagan.
luckily obama started the healthy food initiative. too bad republicans are trying to end it.

yeah because honors classes are so much better, still taught by a retard on still at a curriculum rate that is laughable compared to what children are capable of if given the opportunity and environment
you know you can take initiative and learn on your own, right? libraries exist.
im sure youre the next feynman just waiting to have a breakthrough any day now. since youre so smart and all.

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BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Americans only care about children when they're still in the womb. After they're out, they don't care again until the kid is old enough to fuck.

DeathDog
DeathDog

luckily obama started the healthy food initiative. too bad republicans are trying to end it.

"healthy food" Let me guess, it's based around unplatable vegetables and fruits. They'll also add "whole grain" bread to it, as if it does anything than add fiber. And little high-fat low-carb food.

Let me guess, you've never known what it feels to let Leptin do its hormonal magic.

FastChef
FastChef

I agree with this roast post

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Yeah it must suck having an equalizer so that kids from poor families
thinks uniforms help poor kids when poor kids cant afford private school to begin

the absolute state of flyover remedials

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Stupidasole
Stupidasole

You mean the fucking retard who replied back
"wtf are you even saying. cell phones are not what makes a school good or bad. the absolute state of flyover education"

Not realizing that private educators recognize that personal electronics sap students of focus, attention, and will in going over material and learning from it.

Instead he just spewed some irrelevant ad hominem against flyover states despite the fact I LIVE IN FUCKING SAN FRANCISCO AND SACRAMENTO (depends where work takes me). I grew up in fucking Los Angeles.

Illusionz
Illusionz

I'm a huge proponent of common core.
Pic related is for you.

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Spazyfool
Spazyfool

luckily obama started the healthy food initiative.
I gotsta git me suma dat obamagrub. danks obongo

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Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Uhhh... you fuckin stupid? All of the teachers I knew demanded students weren't on their phones during lecture. Also, have you never seen teachers with those phone pockets requiring students to put their phone at the front of the class until it ends? Can't believe you can be so ignorant.

Not an argument. Can you support your ad hominem attack?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

thinks uniforms help poor kids

They do help poor kids! Do you how much stupid peacocking and disruptive shit would be shut down by forcing kids to be "different" in their actions and not by buying some shitty $300 sneaker wearing some shitty $200 Beats (worthless pieces of shit)?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

1) You can pack your own lunches if you want
2) That's not a normal lunch. Gotta love the cherrypicking.
3) School lunches are 'cheap' because they have to be. Students need to be able to afford them.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Uhhh... you fuckin stupid? All of the teachers I knew demanded students weren't on their phones during lecture. Also, have you never seen teachers with those phone pockets requiring students to put their phone at the front of the class until it ends? Can't believe you can be so ignorant.

What county and area did you grow up in? I grew up in Los Angeles and holy shit, all the public schools are zoos and anarchy. Schools where the teacher can't assume the class will listen to jack shit and chimp out.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

You realize this kills creativity, right? Can students not be unique/creative with their personalities anymore? Gotta spend all night after school ironing their school uniforms so Ms. Sarah knows what everybody is wearing that day?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Not an argument. Can you support your ad hominem attack?
Yeah, people like you are fucking worthless. You probably think we went to the moon and that Hitler was the greatest evil in the world.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Btw, you're a girl. Only fags, retards, and women type "Uhhh...". Get back in the kitchen because you don't understand the fucked up dynamics of public school systems.

girlDog
girlDog

Ohio, where the education is done right.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Germany has the best educational system. They separate kids into ability tiers at high school level.

We have a janky version of that with our AP system, as well as "advanced classes".

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Wearing clothes =/= being creative.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

The point is to have uniforms in public schools and to have those uniforms provided by the government. How can you be this retarded?

cum2soon
cum2soon

lol

takes2long
takes2long

You realize this kills creativity, right?

Are you fucking dumb? Fashion is not "creativity". Playing around with increasingly complex mental models is creativity. Creativity you rob when students try to enter in the social hierarchy by wearing retarded shit.

In a world of rational individuals, I'd get your point. Most people aren't rational and most people aren't unique individuals.

massdebater
massdebater

This is actually incredibly salient given how out of the developed world abortion and planned parenthood is only a hot button issue in america but they also have to worry about getting shot going to their underfunded daycare.

Inmate
Inmate

Playing around with increasingly complex mental models is creativity
lol, found the antisocial high school loser. I found a ton of freedom in wearing whatever I wanted to school everyday. If I wanted to wear shorts, I could do that. If I wanted to wear baggy stuff, I could do that. If I was in a rush, I could just throw whatever I wanted together. Girls are probably better at this, but they can dress to express how they're feeling. Maybe you just don't understand what creativity means

Refer to the above.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Ok then why dont we get rid of schools because there is the internet and libraries. Whats that you say? No one would do any work because people are lazy fucks? Dont be such an idiot.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Yeah exactly, now go eat a tide pod for common core.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

you are so stupid it's hilarious lol
maybe we SHOULD change common core after all, it produces zombie retards like you :)

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Nope...I went to private school :)

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

haha

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Girls are probably better at this, but they can dress to express how they're feeling.
What feeling is conveyed by skin tight yoga pants that show the contours of a girl's ass? I'm so happy I went to high school in the early 00s and only ever had a keyboard phone. Between the new cultural obsession with social media, the touch screen pocket computer "phones", and the girls dressed like strippers, I'm afraid I would have done even worse in high school than I did (if only you knew me, you'd find it hard to believe that were possible).

I happen to agree with

Creative people will always find ways to express themselves. If you feel you lack the ability to express yourself without trendy swag from Hot Topic, you're probably not a creative person anyway.

whereismyname
whereismyname

So what about the emo/goth people? You think it's fine to just constrict them? That doesn't kill their creativity in attire?

I can never understand how a girl in yoga pants distracts somebody from class. Like, "Stacy is wearing yoga pants, damn dude, I might fail this class now". Come on now... yoga pants don't do shit. If yoga pants are the sole reason for a guy failing a course or an exam, then they have bigger problems in terms of concentration that will already fuck up their adult life.

Times are changing, grandpa. You don't need to be a prude with no social life to concentrate on your classes. Not saying you are, but that's what you entailed in your post.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

materialism is creativity
materialism is individuality
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD GOOOOOOY GOOD GOY BEST GOY 2018

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

I can never understand how a girl in yoga pants distracts somebody from class.
Are you kidding?

happy_sad
happy_sad

I can never understand how a girl in yoga pants distracts somebody from class.
I'm not saying it will literally make you fail your class but I have no doubt it is somewhat distracting and also probably fucks with social dynamics. Would you be totally cool if your boss came to work in a speedo and you got a glimpse of his bulge every time you talk to him or look his way?

Why don't you tell me this: why can't I wear shorts to work, but underage girls can go to school with their faces painted and wearing "pants" that show cameltoe? Why are students, who probably need guidance the most out of any of us, for some reason exempt from any sort of dress code restriction when it is the norm in everyday situations?

Times are changing, grandpa. You don't need to be a prude with no social life to concentrate on your classes. Not saying you are, but that's what you entailed in your post.

Yeah, times are changing but I doubt that humans nature has fundamentally changed since 2004. The only reason this slutty behavior is tolerated is because of shrill feminist screeches and political meddling in education.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

So what about the emo/goth people? You think it's fine to just constrict them? That doesn't kill their creativity in attire?
Oh no! Somebody think of the teenage cringe subcultures!

Snarelure
Snarelure

Riddle me this my guy: why must girls attend school in tights that show the contours of their ass? Why are they compelled to be "creative" in this way in an educational institution?

It's not my business what people do on their own time, but why must these individuals have the right to dress this way in school?

Maybe we shouldn't have any rules at all lest they limit the freedom of children with underdeveloped brains to follow their impulses.

Evilember
Evilember

Your speedo analogy isn't accurate. They're not nude. Yoga pants are essentially just tight pants. Sometimes, it doesn't look pleasant on a girl, producing the cameltoe. Also, those underage girls with their faces painted are equivalent to any adult female painting their face; what's wrong with that? If they want to be ugly, let them go ahead and do it. Yoga pants are a lazy fashion choice, but they're pants nonetheless if worn properly. Lastly, those 'lack of' dress code violations don't exist in real life. They only exist in a work environment where everybody is supposed to be professionally equipped with their attire. Even then, there is a lot of freedom in what you can wear. However, in client-facing roles, you obviously want to dress proper. In coding environments, a lot of companies don't care if you wear shorts and a graphic tee every day of the year if you want.

Refer to two posts above yours. Are you really going to fail a class or midterm because Stacy is wearing yoga pants? Really man? Sure, I look every now and then, but I can still focus on schoolwork....

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I mean, sure, yoga pants are suggestive. There are many news stories about schools banning yoga pants. While I was attending high school, this rule wasn't in place. However, I think it was finally applied about a year or two ago for the reason of being suggestive. Naturally, the females threw a fit because they think it's fine to show off their ass, but you're right to an extent. However, if we ban yoga pants, a somewhat normal thing to wear, what else do we ban next? The list could go on and on. It makes sense to allow them for students. Plus, in real life, girls in yoga pants exist everywhere. If you want high school to be less sheltered, why not allow them more freedom while they have the chance?

JunkTop
JunkTop

If you want high school to be less sheltered,
But that's not what I want. Maybe students in high school could benefit from being taught to exercise self-restraint and act with the same professionalism that is inevitably going to be expected from them when they enter the workforce.

Yes, girls with yoga pants exist everywhere in real life, but there are places and situations in which that attire is not appropriate. As I said, anyone is free to where what they want on their own time and thus, I struggle to find the gross offense in restricting what students can where to class.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Plus, in real life, girls in yoga pants exist everywhere.
One step at a time, this should be cracked down on as well. There is an acceptable and even healthy level of authoritarianism required for any society wishing to endure the ages.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

*free to wear

FUCK

Inmate
Inmate

I can agree with both of you now.

idontknow
idontknow

What simple concept had to be overexplained to retards in your math classes in school?
teachers still dealing with SOHCAHTOA in grade 12

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Honestly, it's a relatively advanced concept. If you know what you're doing and can visualize your triangles, you'll easily grasp SOHCAHTOA. Otherwise, it's just another long acronym of some random uppercase letters that you have to memorize, which takes time to learn. Also, I thought geometry was taught in like 9th grade or something? How were you learning that in 12th grade?

for my school,
derivatives
unit circle

SniperWish
SniperWish

I forgot the unit circle and trig identities/proofs. How fucked am I?

Supergrass
Supergrass

When I took calc 3, about 2 years after taking calc 2, I forgot all my trig identities and the integrations for the weird as fuck trig functions. I got fucked pretty hard early on. Besides calc, you will never need to know unit circle or trig identities.

girlDog
girlDog

The problem with it is that it takes that natural process that you should be able to do unconsciously, without thinking, and makes you sit through it and delineate it step by step.

You don't teach kids how to walk by forcing them to sit through a lecture explaining the mechanics of how you move your center of mass forward while moving your legs beneath you to maintain balance and momentum, you teach them to walk by showing them how it's done in meatspace and their brain does all that other shit for them on it's own.

If you go over the specifics of how it's done without actually showing them, then you're just going to end up with a lot of really fucking confused kids stumbling all over the place.

For example, in highschool a while back we were taught about about how to find the roots of a parabolic function. That might not sound super difficult, but I and most of the class really struggled with it becuase we really didn't understand what we were doing at the time, but eventually after like two weeks we finished with that section of the course material and we could do it with a lot of effort.

A few months later our teacher actually finally SHOWED US what a parabola was and what a root actually was and at least for me it all clicked immediatley. When I asked the teacher why they didn't just show us what a parabola looked like in the first place, they said it was because that was what was mandated by the county we were in, and that they didn't have any say in it despite how bass-akwards it was.

If every school is doing their own thing and teaching their kids in their own ways then you are gonna get some outliers where the teachers are fucking retarded and teach their kids stupid shit. However, that's far preferable to teaching EVERY kid EVERYWHERE stupid shit.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

If you go over the specifics of how it's done without actually showing them
Where does this happen? Doesn't happen in art class. Doesn't happen in gym class. Never happened in math class. Did you ever learn Pythagorean's Theorem without going over the specifics?

A few months later our teacher actually finally SHOWED US what a parabola was and what a root actually was and at least for me it all clicked immediatley. When I asked the teacher why they didn't just show us what a parabola looked like in the first place, they said it was because that was what was mandated by the county we were in, and that they didn't have any say in it despite how bass-akwards it was.
Oh, now I understand. By the way, the same thing happens in college. It's not the subject's fault, it's the teacher's fault. As far as the teacher's concerned, they just have to teach you about parabolas and roots. It's COMPLETELY their fault that they taught it backwards because they're terrible at teaching and probably only got an associate's degree in their subject.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Where does this happen? Doesn't happen in art class. Doesn't happen in gym class. Never happened in math class. Did you ever learn Pythagorean's Theorem without going over the specifics?
I think your misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm saying that going over the minutia and intimate mechanics of something without actually demonstrating how it's done is going to lead to a lot of confusion where it's really unnecessary.

For example, what's a better way to teach someone how to do a push up? Would it be simpler to sit them down and give them a verbal presentation explaining to them exactly how to do a push up, or would it be simpler to just drop on the fucking ground and pump out a few push ups, have them try doing a few, and then go over the finer points of it afterwards?

Anyway, the teacher specifically said that they were mandated to teach the curriculum in that particular way. The said that they did not have a choice in the matter and they had to cover the material in a set and predetermined order. It's similar to how common core mandates teachers to teach things in specific ways and not deviate from that specific rubric even if their students are struggling.

I'm not sure how you got "well they're lazy" out of that desu. I can assure you they were an exceptionally passionate, dedicated, and talented teacher. Maybe your reading comprehension needs work? Did you learn to read with common core, by chance?

Is it their fault that they taught it that way and did not deviate from the rubric they were provided? Yes, of course, I'm not saying it wasn't. Do I blame them though? No, I don't. They did what they were mandated to do by their employer. Doing otherwise would have resulted in disciplinary action, or even their termination.

Also, what on earth do you mean by "the subject's fault"? I don't think anyone is arguing that the problem is algebra, the problem is that teachers are being prevented from teaching from catering their lessons to their students.

Techpill
Techpill

true, but there's nuance. for example, disabled includes handicapped, deafness, amputees, and so on. there are disabilities that are not necessarily mental in nature. however, you're right that mainstreaming is not always the best option. for example, deaf people shouldn't be mainstreamed since they would have difficulty with communicating with their peers, even with the implant. while, i think that physically deformed people with functioning senses and brain should be mainstreamed.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Most of the examples people shit on common core for are basic arithmetic, where I live honors classes weren't a thing until 7th grade and it sounds like for the Canadian user they weren't until 9th grade. Your smugness is not helping anyone. gb2 reddit and take your reddit spacing with you.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

*roastie post

Skullbone
Skullbone

For example, what's a better way to teach someone how to do a push up? Would it be simpler to sit them down and give them a verbal presentation explaining to them exactly how to do a push up, or would it be simpler to just drop on the fucking ground and pump out a few push ups, have them try doing a few, and then go over the finer points of it afterwards?
I think this is a bad example. You never want to learn how to do a push up by initially having bad form. That produces bad habits. It's much better to learn the form beforehand and then put it into practice.

Anyway, the teacher specifically said that they were mandated to teach the curriculum in that particular way. The said that they did not have a choice in the matter and they had to cover the material in a set and predetermined order. It's similar to how common core mandates teachers to teach things in specific ways and not deviate from that specific rubric even if their students are struggling.
I've never heard this before but I guess you have a nice anectdote.

I'm not sure how you got "well they're lazy" out of that desu. I can assure you they were an exceptionally passionate, dedicated, and talented teacher. Maybe your reading comprehension needs work? Did you learn to read with common core, by chance?
I'm speaking from my own experience because I only ever had 1 truly lazy teacher.

Also, what on earth do you mean by "the subject's fault"? I don't think anyone is arguing that the problem is algebra, the problem is that teachers are being prevented from teaching from catering their lessons to their students.
I'm just saying it's not the student's fault, but rather the teacher's fault. This conclusion is from my own experiences because there are some teachers that are just bad and teach backwards.

You replied to the wrong part of my post. I agreed with you in the 2nd part.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Maybe you just don't understand what creativity means

You sound like a humongous faggot that I wish I could punch squarely in the face. There are different types of creativity. And yet you use fucking teenagers, the most conformist and retarded of our species, as a mark for creativity.

"Goth" isn't a creative identity. It's teenagers being conformist and retarded. A painter is creative. A composer is creative. A mathematician is creative (in strange ways). Your average retarded teenager adopting an alt identity is just your average retarded teenager being retarded in a society that wants him/her to be so fucking retarded that massive amounts of money are vacuumed from them for shit that doesn't matter in a few years.

WebTool
WebTool

You never want to learn how to do a push up by initially having bad form
Sure you do. Everybody has bad form at first because they're not strong. If you insisted a toddler start walking with "good form" he'd never get off the ground

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

t. uncreative STEM engineer with no friends in high school and no sense of expressing themselves out of the blue and gray shirts in their closet

The first thing they teach you in the gym is good form. Then, they teach you how to actually use the machines and weights. It's not a matter of being 'strong' initially. They don't just throw you onto the machine, wait a week, then introduce good form. They start with that right out of the gate. Also, walking is a bad analogy. You can't really have good 'form' with walking other than slouching, which they indirectly teach you anyway. Competitive runners? First thing they teach you is good form

whereismyname
whereismyname

what I'm saying is that nobody starts off with perfect form. As you get stronger and more talented at something, you develop better form. Form is not something you can just intellectually teach, it requires practice. In the same way, mathematics requires practice. Most discoveries don't come about because somebody just immediately intuited the answer from their genius IQ, they come about from messing around with things and trying to figure out what the pattern is.
Real understanding requires familiarity with the thing you understand (practice)

Supergrass
Supergrass

and fyi most westerners walk with bad for,, and there's plenty of ways to do that without slouching

Spamalot
Spamalot

calls someone an uncreative STEM engineer
in the very same post proceeds to dissect a perfectly functional analogy and delineate why they think it doesn't make sense

I love this fucking board lol

viagrandad
viagrandad

I'll agree with this. Regardless, it's a good idea to teach good form first, then practice, most of the time. Would you agree with that statement?

Sure, a lot of mathematical things come from messing around. But at some point somebody taught them best practices. For example, a freshman or sophomore tier course is real analysis 1 or 2 for math majors. Both of these courses don't really delve too much into intensive, new course material. Rather, they teach students how to prove using best practices; that's their main focus. Every math major in a US university has to take these courses or something similar to them. Therefore, even math majors are being taught 'good form' before formally doing analysis in the future.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Sometimes, it doesn't look pleasant on a girl, producing the cameltoe
Wanna know how I know you have low test?

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Ignoramus
Ignoramus

cameltoes are the most disgusting thing ever
I can't believe people like ill-fitting clothing
nothing attractive about a cameltoe

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Imagine being so high on soy that you can't appreciate the wonders of tight spandex wrapping around that sacred geometry...

5mileys
5mileys

Don't get me wrong, I love yoga pants. But have you ever seen a girl wear yoga pants so tight you can see the outline of their underwear? It's a bit unappealing. I just want to see dat ass and dose thighs, not that cameltoe and underwear silhouette.

I really really really like women btw

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

The intuitive algorithmic method associated with common core is far closer to the "show them how it's done" approach you describe than the methods from the last twenty years which are bookkeeping tricks nearly impossible to keep track of in your head.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Sainity flowed from the government
Wrong
Lul

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

i agree the underwear outline can be distractring and not in that good way

but cameltoes are and always will be hot

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

As someone will started high school public then transferred private, this guy arguing against public is literally repeating what I was told by both sides during said transfer.
So, for better or worse, he's arguing high school arguments.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Thank god, somebody to tell him he's stupid! Which one do you prefer, public or private? Should schools make a complete switch to private? What were arguments in both sides for you switching? Were the people arguing against public zombies or a horde of buzzword spouters?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Well both were pretty stupid, but at least public was functional stupid while private was useless stupid if it couldn't be bought with their credit card.
Any arguments for/against are already in the thread, but they were just superficial "poor kids are stupid" and "rich kids are inbred". Can't pretend I was any more mature that them at the time, but I like to think I grew out if it.
For what it's worth, less of the public friends dropped out if college, so in my limited personal experience public produced less societal failures.

King_Martha
King_Martha

What's 5*5?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Common Core mathematics has ONE guiding principle to eliminate the racial and gender based differences in mathematical test scores... NOT to create the Best mathematicians possible.

The best liberal progressive minds worked for years to find a way to equalize mathematical test scores, common core mathematics is their solution.

They do NOT care at all about the quality of the mathematics student produced ONLY that that the students produced do NOT test appreciably different based on gender or race.

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whereismyname
whereismyname

The problem is that it hasn't had any effect. Kids who struggle go home and ask mommy. She teaches him the old method, and now he hasn't learned fuckall. Now we're phasing it out after only a few years.
And dumbshit parents complain about the "one size fits all" philosophy of CCSS, which is literally not what it's about at all.

farquit
farquit

Lmao, are /pol/tards infiltrating every board. You could’ve made that argument on so many other things, but CC has nothing to do with that.

askme
askme

Fucking this. So many people mindlessly do math that even college math pre-upper div is plug and chug — college has made me hate the majority of my math courses since I could just memorize a formula sheet and get away with passing. It’s brainlets not understanding why something works.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

I don't agree with the CC methods I've seen. Addition should be learned to be done quickly and spontaneously by doing lots of exercises (as with the Kumon method).

idontknow
idontknow

Because I don't want to spend an extra 30 minutes on the phone with you trying to figure out how much to change your bid adjusted when the scope of work changes, and then another 10 while I count up groups of ten to see if I'm still paying an equivalent price for the changes in labor and materials.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

maybe you should spend 5k a year sending your child to a private school.
Great. When do I stop paying my property taxes for the public schools my kids won't be going to?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Learning how addition works and learning quick mental calculation are two completely different things, and it's perfectly reasonably to teach them separately.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Agreed. I have no problem with common core taught as a foundation of number theory. We all learned that early on, it just wasn't called common core back then, it was called place values and decimals, and it was more thoroughly taught as the basis for our number system. The problem arises when this consumes most of the year's curriculum, and the life-applicable methods of calculation, if taught at all, are relegated to passing mentions. I would think that by third, maybe fourth grade, common core arithmetic and it's brethren should be outgrown by students as the primary mehod of calculation. It also gets rehashed yearly too. There is no reason my seventh-grader should be still doing this. This stuff makes sense when you are in line at McDonald's and your currency is decimal based while the McEmployee just pushes buttons to do the math. Focusing on these methods through 2/3rds of a child's education, at the expense of more efficient methods, means anything beyond that McDonald's order will begin to suffer losses of efficiency and competitiveness. At this point, we're literally just teaching kids to draw out the objects are are counting. It's no different than counting on your fingers and toes. Taken to it's logical conclusion, why have symbolic numerals anymore? Why confuse children with the symbol of a number when we can just draw the correct amount of dots or dashes on a paper grouped by tens? This is ancient-history level math. Everyone grab your clay tablets and reeds, and we will get to calculating! No one will be left behind ever again!

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

If you don't ensure a strong foundation of arithmetic, there is no hope for them grasping more intensive calculation-based math in middle and high school. Better learn early and make sure it's solidified in their brains.

massdebater
massdebater

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Inmate
Inmate

Fuggg that was the first calculator I ever used. I bought it with allowance money when I was like 6 or 7. I wish I knew where it went to so I could frame it and hang it up on my wall.

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